The Monster......

[Monster-Mat]

Mark...are those Torque figures right?

1600 lb/ft = 218.8 kg m

1 lb/ft = 14.5939 Nm ~

1600 x 14.5939 = 23350.24 Nm.....

Thats a Huge Figure! I dont follow your Torque at the wheels equation, or Multiplying torque by Gear ratio

tell me my Equation is way off,

i got the conversion from HERE

FORCE PER UNIT LENGTH

1 lb/ft = 14.5939 N/m 1 N/m = 0.0685218 lb/ft

[RoadRash]

I have it from HERE

Search for lb-ft or ft-lb and put 1600 in it. ;)

[Monster-Mat]

lb/ft and ft/lb are different measurments arent they

[Fidgits]

well, both the 1100 (measured) and 1600 (predicted) are huge figures..

To compare... the new BMW M3 develops 269Lb/ft of torque (365Nm)..

[Monster-Mat]

Huge is an understatement for sure!, there must be some miscalculation

and Mike lb/ft is a different measurement to Ft/lb as you did the equation

[RoadRash]

Huge is an understatement for sure!, there must be some miscalculation

and Mike lb/ft is a different measurement to Ft/lb as you did the equation

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Don't know... there was "foot-pound" so I think I choosed the right one. :)

[Monster-Mat]

Huge is an understatement for sure!, there must be some miscalculation

and Mike lb/ft is a different measurement to Ft/lb as you did the equation

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Don't know... there was "foot-pound" so I think I choosed the right one. :)

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foot LB is at the very bottom of the list

[tdiplc]

1600 foot pound are 2169NM 

But 2169NM.... NO!.... NEVER!  :duh:

Or Mat would need new tires every 2 weeks.

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Sorry, I thought I explained. That is the figure seen at the hubs after being multiplied through the transmission and the axle - not the figure seen at the flywheel.

I mentioned the multiplied figure to give you an understanding of the forces that the rear end is dealing with. Even in 6th gear there is over 1100 lbs-ft of torque at the hubs, and the lower the gear the higher the torque.

[tdiplc]

any chance of seeing the dyno sheets then?

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I'll scan and post them later for you Rob

[RoadRash]

1600 foot pound are 2169NM  

But 2169NM.... NO!.... NEVER!  :duh:

Or Mat would need new tires every 2 weeks.

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Sorry, I thought I explained. That is the figure seen at the hubs after being multiplied through the transmission and the axle - not the figure seen at the flywheel.

I mentioned the multiplied figure to give you an understanding of the forces that the rear end is dealing with. Even in 6th gear there is over 1100 lbs-ft of torque at the hubs, and the lower the gear the higher the torque.

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Any calculation for this to convert into torque @ wheels or torque @ crank?? :duh:

[tdiplc]

Any calculation for this to convert into torque @ wheels or torque @ crank?? :duh:

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I'll scan and post the Performance Certificate so you can see the figures with and without the multiplication, which will give you figures you are probably more familiar with.

[tdiplc]

http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/upl...03_95_11423.jpg

Please note that these are taken in 6th gear, which reduces the figures shown.

Don't take any notice of the oil temp figures because the sensor was not connect at this time.

[Fidgits]

Mark - to me that looks like 360lb-ft of torque? Is that about right?

[RoadRash]

Mark - to me that looks like 360lb-ft of torque? Is that about right?

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That looks good.... though huge amount of power!

[tdiplc]

Mark - to me that looks like 360lb-ft of torque? Is that about right?

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As measured in 6th gear AND removing the gear multiplication.

The only way to get a true power and torque figure is by testing in a diect gear ratio.

To get an idea of the true performance of the Monster (at the hubs), you can add at leat 15% to the figures shown in the above Certificate of Performance.

[Fidgits]

by my maths, that makes:

470 bhp

and

414 lb/ft Torque

[RoadRash]

by my maths, that makes:

470 bhp

and

414 lb/ft Torque

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That looks realistic and.............. B)

I think it's not the biggest problem to squeeze some more HP out of that "M-EATER". :P

[tdiplc]

by my maths, that makes:

470 bhp

and

414 lb/ft Torque

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We normally expect to see around 500hp at the hubs (in a direct ratio gear) with this specification, which is about 600hp at the flywheel.

[tdiplc]

So, Mat took the Monster away on Saturday to get it registered etc.

I took Scarface out in it for a little spin on Saturday too.

Interestingly enough, we have found another issue with the rear axle that is200's suffer from (the Monster more so - obviously), which you can expect a remedy in kit form from us soon, for those owners that have supercharged and turbocharged models.

[Fidgits]

I have to say, having the monster go past me a couple of times at *ahem* full tilt... tis very impressive...

and yes, Ahmet was squeaking* about the trip you took him on, phrases such as 'sat in the boot' were used...

*references man or mouse statement - as the blood drained from his face just remembering the experience....

[MrADeveci]

http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/ind...topic=23058&hl=

For my experience ! lol ...........

[DAZA_W]

mark could you confirm the boost that the monster is running 1.5 bar in low boost and 5 bar in high boost the 5 bar does seem unbelievable and what gauges would you use to see 5 bar

thanks

daz

[tdiplc]

I think Scarface's eyes were subject to a bit of warp factor shock loading . Mind you, they were wide open and protruding somewhat

Although the EVC 5 offers essentially 4 levels of boost (off, low, high and scramble), at the moment we have just two settings of 1 bar and just nudging 1.5 bar.

[MrADeveci]

Ahh ..... Mark Probably said ONE POINT FIVE .......... and I must have been in the warp factor at that stage ... and only heard the FIVE ............

[RoadRash]

mark could you confirm the boost that the monster is running 1.5 bar in low boost and 5 bar in high boost the 5 bar does seem unbelievable and what gauges would you use to see 5 bar

thanks

daz

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I think Scarface's eyes were subject to a bit of warp factor shock loading  . Mind you, they were wide open and protruding somewhat 

Although the EVC 5 offers essentially 4 levels of boost (off, low, high and scramble), at the moment we have just two settings of 1 bar and just nudging 1.5 bar.

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Ahh ..... Mark Probably said ONE POINT FIVE .......... and I must have been in the warp factor at that stage ... and only heard the FIVE ............ 

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