If your boss verbal abuses you every single day for any given reason... With remarks that contain swear words etc..... Even in front of your collegues... What can be done ?

What if he is higher then you in the company but he only talks you you that way, not other members of his team ..

Is there a legal term for this like . Malicius verbal abuse or something...

id just smack him in the Gob

will soon shut him up, wont help the job but will make you feel dam good

Can anything Legal be done if one was to leave the company because it was too much abuse and too much to take on a daily basis...

get as much eveidence as you can, recordings , make sure you record all events, in a diary....

make sure at all costs that you never retaliate.........i suggest the purchase of a dicta-phone

[quote name='SteveAudioX' date='Mar 13 2004, 08:33 PM']Can anything Legal be done if one was to leave the company because it was too much abuse and too much to take on a daily basis...[/quote]
Lots you can do.

get a dictaphone to record what he says (hide it in your desk/pocket)

then take that to the MD

or go off with stress citing constant verbal abuse/harrassment

leave claim constructive dismissal thru harrassment (your case weakens if you get another job know this from personal experience)


go off sick..............normal............use time to set up your own business then go back resign & steal all his customers

having seen your work you would not starve...............

Mats advice is also sound

[quote name='Supracharged-IS340' date='Mar 13 2004, 08:25 PM']id just smack him in the Gob

will soon shut him up, wont help the job but will make you feel dam good[/quote]
I like that idea best and it will give you the most satisfaction ,but will cost you yer job so realy depends on how much you like the job etc .Take your complaint higher if there is such a place if not gather evidence and take the to court

Just ask him to treat you like he does every other member of the team as you find his attitude disturbing...............OR

Get him on his own and tell him in no uncertain you will not put up with it and any more lip your gonna crack him one,that should do it ....

GIVE ME HIS ADDY AND I'LL DO IT FOR YA

Just found out that the MD of the company is aware of his Atitude and bad language, and 4 people have already left because of it.

Thats who you want to talk to then ,but beware if 4 people have left they could well value him more than them and thats why they are going and he is staying .

[quote name='SteveAudioX' date='Mar 13 2004, 08:50 PM']Just found out that the MD of the company is aware of his Atitude and bad language, and 4 people have already left because of it.[/quote]
Should make your case easier.

What about writing to the MD saying you will walk if he's not sorted out.

I'd ask the MD for this guys job Then hit him ..........

O.k

If one had their proof of this happening and decided to leave the company because they could not take any more of this.... Even after having a chat with the MD about it...

Can anything legally be done ... Is there a benefit for the person who leaves because they are too streesed.

Go off work with stress ,but go to docters first and get proof then you are intitled to sick pay etc were as if you leave you are only intitled to income support etc.also you can not be sacked if you are on sick leave

Think only way would be industrial tribunal ........ but as othrs have sais you would have to build your case b4 you go. You could try writing to the MD and tell him how you feel ........... if he's approachable ......

[quote name='SteveAudioX' date='Mar 13 2004, 08:56 PM']O.k

If one had their proof of this happening and decided to leave the company because they could not take any more of this.... Even after having a chat with the MD about it...

Can anything legally be done ... Is there a benefit for the person who leaves because they are too streesed.[/quote]
you need to see a solicitor who is conversant with employment law.

the area is harrasment...........

most solicitors will give u 1/2 hour free interview to see if you have a case.

will anyone sign a witness statement ?

is any abuse racial ?

Lot's of F..
Harsh and abrupt tonal abuse within his language.
Very loud ... even in front of other staff but directed soley at one person.

Could one go even higher then the MD like say..... The Board of Directors since it's a PLC.

can u get statements from the 4 other bods ?

that would be a powerful bit of evidence.

best answer is to leave & steal some of their clients

horried position to be in .. especially if you enjoy your job and there is a gobby a*****e working in the same place.

I would tell him direct how you feel.. if he gets worse then take it further... at least you have told this guy how you feel.

Before anyone starts saying 'I'll sort him out', we need to take a look from this guys perspective.

Perhaps he's frustrated with his own job and feels the need to take it out on people beneath him. Maybe his wife isn't giving him any at home and is jealous of his younger, more virile underlings?

Seriously though - make sure you know who you're dealing with as well. He could be a nasty piece of work!

I had similar situation with my old MD and he treated everyone like a piece of *hit. I didnt stand for it and stood up to him from day one and he never tried again - typical of bullies, there just cowards and pick on people who are weaker (or in the workplace, pick on people who they know cant answer back)

If you leave, I think you can claim constructive dismissal as he has made your working environment in such a way that you have no option than to leave. This would only work if you went to the MD and he didnt change the situation.

Guess you need to formally record your problems - one good way is a week off with stress and a formal (even if you have to assist on it - unsure how your company is structured) return to work interview - at this you explain all your problems and get it formally recorded.
Then I would see how it goes for a couple of weeks to see if anything changes - if not it would be to CAB or No Win - No Fee solicitor to assess legal position.
Do you have an HR Dept. - or even better Occupational Health - these too can be good routes to leave fromal trails in case you need future evidence.
If you knew the fromer employees it would be worth gaining their support too.
Only caution is having an alternative plan if things don't go your way - ensure you do not jeopardise your own position / future.

by the sounds of it your MD does not want to know.. is he just giving you the brush off.. if he is then go higher and explain that the MD is not taking a vested interest in your situation and you are feeling compelled to leave and go to a competitor then to a solicitor..

[quote name='SteveAudioX' date='Mar 13 2004, 07:23 PM']If your boss verbal abuses you every single day for any given reason... With remarks that contain swear words etc..... Even in front of your collegues... What can be done ?

What if he is higher then you in the company but he only talks you you that way, not other members of his team ..

Is there a legal term for this like . Malicius verbal abuse or something...[/quote]
Your first port of call is to read the companies rules and regulations.

Follow the internal complaints procedure to the letter.

If that fails, you can resign under something called 'constructive dismissal', which is where you're forced to resign by the company or it's representatives.

I know the feeling, work for a similar company the works manager is
Hang in there mate

try startin your own business, take all his customers then go and crack the mu ******* in the face!!!! you got a job and you get to chin your ex boss!!!!!!!

[quote name='Mitch' date='Mar 14 2004, 01:59 AM']try startin your own business, take all his customers then go and crack the mu ******* in the face!!!! you got a job and you get to chin your ex boss!!!!!!![/quote]
My advice as well.

sorry to hear about your woes mate

couldnt be happening to a nicer bloke

lets hope he gets his come uppance in one way or another

next time he starts ranting, just get up and walk away or turn your back on him, and ignore him, pretend he is not there
it sounds like he is itching for you to react, so play the opposite
you seem in my opinion a calm and collective person, he probably see`s you as an easy target


if all else fails, im sure mat can muster up a few work colleagues, with their tools of their trade, to shape him up

I had a similar problem at work once. If you can join a union, then i'd recommend it as its a form of covering your back, and they also can give you free legal advise and how to tackle the problem in hand. I also kept back-up copies of all the e-mails i was sent, by printing them and forwarding them onto my home e-mail account. I also kept my head down and did my job so that there was no dirt on me. I found this method to be the best way of "sticking it to the man". Might not work for everyone though.

i would suggest citing both the offender of the "harrasment at work" and also the MD for not taking any action.
The i think that as the MD has not taken any action that he is very likely incompetant and has little understanding of employment law. which is to your advantage.
Gain evedence and write a formal letter to your manager notifying him of your displeasure. Date all letters as they will be vital to proving that they did not take any action.
Once a letter of complaint has been recieved they have to take some form of action plus you will be able to use the letters as evedence. plus you should request some form of reply from them to ensure that action will be taken.

Go to see the citizens advise beureau as they will advise you on all avenues you can take.

and iff all else fails im sure there are a few of us here who would be willing to put him on hte right tract to becoming a better person!

dont let them get away with it. no one has the right to force you out of a job.

Steve,

TheDon has given some v.goog advice. It is defo worth seeing the CAB or a solicitor experienced in employment law.

I went down that avenue a few years ago and the solicitors advice stopped me making a catastrophic mistake.

AFAIK, most will ovver 1/2 hour free consultation with no obligation. My advice would be do this ASAP, then at least you'll know where you stand and what to do.

I found this helpfull [url="http://www.employment-solicitors.co.uk/Harassment5.htm"]site[/url]

[quote name='dobedo' date='Mar 14 2004, 01:19 PM']sorry to hear about your woes mate




if all else fails, im sure mat can muster up a few work colleagues, with their tools of their trade, to shape him up [/quote]
that wont be a problem..................

Hope it all picks up soon, the bloke is obviously a pillock. Can't really add to the excellent advice above, just make sure you keep a diary and record every incident - it'll be invaluable in the long run

I am sorry to hear of your problems, i worked for a large telecoms company a few years ago as a supervisor I had 44 staff working for me at one point, we were always made to do courses on tribunal and employment law, even down to interview questions it is quite interesting the simple questions that you cannot ask.

I think you have a good case against your boss but you need to get the upto date advice on where you stand.

I cannot remember the figures but most cases that are taken to tribunal by an employee are won by the employee due to the fact the employer has not documented properly all the meetings and correspondance etc. So make sure that you have documented everything.

I think now is a good time to be starting to build up your own business I have seen notes on here by members saying how good your work is, you are half way there, we were in a simular situation a few years ago and started up D's we have not looked back it's hard work but very rewarding,

My advice is take your company for every penny and then start up your own little empire.

I wish you good luck.