thought this might be interesting insight into who is gonna win .could only think of these four but let me know any others and i will add them.

To be reaslly honest I cant be arsed to vote, purely and simply cause whateer way I vote and whoever gets in, the country will still be in dia trouble

i know the feeling mate i still aint made up my mind ,who ever stops crime cleans up the hospitals and sorts out the house prices to allow younger people a foot on the ladder gets my vote

don't care

yes thats the spirit lads...

forget the fact under Labour, all but the top 10% rich are actually poorer (as in money left after tax)
Forget the fact the current goverment took us to war under false pretenses...

Thats it, all politians are the same (no arguments here) yada yada...

except for one thing - lets get that lying cheating *cough* out of office and give another one a chance eh?

......lets not forget the petrol crisis another joy brought about under labour

[quote name='SHAHZ' date='Apr 6 2005, 08:02 AM']......lets not forget the petrol crisis another joy brought about under labour
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And thats why i will be voting for the other guy! No other reason! The way i see it is, Tony Blair will probably win again so as long as i know i have voted for someone else i will be happy ehough!

Jason

Since 97 :

- SPIN SPIN and more SPIN

- we pay way more tax

- Public services are as bad as ever

- thousands more faceless Bureaucrats.

- 70% rise in council tax

- we bend over backwards to help minorities/scroungers/travellers/asylum seekers etc.

- we can't move for GATSOs but real criminals get away with it

- Our pensions are now worthless

- we live in a society where you can be better off by NOT working!

- the M4 bus lane!!! - pure genius

- Political Correctness gone mad

the list goes on and on and on

Time for a change I think.........................

im choosing by way of a dart and a blindfold as it will make jack ***** differerence in the end. Everything they say is lies and they will do what they want anyways.

Where are the raving looney party when you need them! they would have my vote over and over again!

I think Rillo says it all for a vast majority of people. We are all dissillusioned with the current goverment for being a bunch of PC apologists and for hammering the workers to pay for the shirkers. Now i have no problem with those that have worked and are unfortunate enough to be out of work its the career dolites that get my back up

Perhaps a goverment that gives you what you work for would be in order because there is no way anyone should be better off for not working and claiming social

I'm going to stop there and climb down off my soap box before i give the impression my politics are to the right of ghenghis khan but these people who breed like rabbits and just claim on the social for them surely it can be stopped with the swift movement of a couple of housebricks

we should form the LOC party

Can anyone add to these policies??

- anyone who doesn't want a Lexus will be electronically tagged
- any illegal immigrants/asylum seekers will be deported to France
- all dole scroungers will be given a good kicking
- Tony Blair will be given a really really good kicking
- all GATSOs burned
- Police will be on performance related pay - no burglars caught = no money.
- all reality TV shows banned !!
- supporting Sunderland will be outlawed
- anyone in a max power Saxo to be sterilised just in case.....

[quote name='Rillo' date='Apr 6 2005, 12:02 PM']Since 97 :

- SPIN SPIN and more SPIN

- we pay way more tax

- Public services are as bad as ever

- thousands more faceless Bureaucrats.

- 70% rise in council tax

- we bend over backwards to help minorities/scroungers/travellers/asylum seekers etc.

- we can't move for GATSOs but real criminals get away with it

- Our pensions are now worthless

- we live in a society where you can be better off by NOT working!

- the M4 bus lane!!! - pure genius 

- Political Correctness gone mad

the list goes on and on and on

Time for a change I think.........................
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You have got it in a nutshell

Vote LOC party

Mat for primeminister

My pension is still worth something so the Government is trying to make me work longer before I can have it. Lib Dems are the only ones with a chance who haven't yet raped the country may as give them a chance

[quote name='legendswraith' date='Apr 6 2005, 01:54 PM']I think Rillo says it all for a vast majority of people. We are all dissillusioned with the current goverment for being a bunch of PC apologists and for hammering the workers to pay for the shirkers. Now i have no problem with those that have worked and are unfortunate enough to be out of work its the career dolites that get my back up

Perhaps a goverment that gives you what you work for would be in order because there is no way anyone should be better off for not working and claiming social

I'm going to stop there and climb down off my soap box before i give the impression my politics are to the right of ghenghis khan but these people who breed like rabbits and just claim on the social for them surely it can be stopped with the swift movement of a couple of housebricks
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i fully agree, i like the new system in china, you get beinifits for the first child - then none for the 2nd unless its twins. then i think there are no benifits and if you go too far then you probs get shot!

people like that lizzy (from wife swap) that have millions of kids and dont ever work, they make me sick. I would love for someone to pay for my house, food, clothes, tax, tv licence, perscription etc etc etc. but they wont.

i realy fear for the future of my children i realy do, i personaly tho think it should be made illigal to act and look like a CHAV. And anyone seen wearing a nike cap at 45 degrees to their forehead should be shot or at least have their nuts removed!

[quote name='TheDon' date='Apr 7 2005, 12:31 AM'][quote name='legendswraith' date='Apr 6 2005, 01:54 PM']I think Rillo says it all for a vast majority of people. We are all dissillusioned with the current goverment for being a bunch of PC apologists and for hammering the workers to pay for the shirkers. Now i have no problem with those that have worked and are unfortunate enough to be out of work its the career dolites that get my back up

Perhaps a goverment that gives you what you work for would be in order because there is no way anyone should be better off for not working and claiming social

I'm going to stop there and climb down off my soap box before i give the impression my politics are to the right of ghenghis khan but these people who breed like rabbits and just claim on the social for them surely it can be stopped with the swift movement of a couple of housebricks
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i fully agree, i like the new system in china, you get beinifits for the first child - then none for the 2nd unless its twins. then i think there are no benifits and if you go too far then you probs get shot!

people like that lizzy (from wife swap) that have millions of kids and dont ever work, they make me sick. I would love for someone to pay for my house, food, clothes, tax, tv licence, perscription etc etc etc. but they wont.

i realy fear for the future of my children i realy do, i personaly tho think it should be made illigal to act and look like a CHAV. And anyone seen wearing a nike cap at 45 degrees to their forehead should be shot or at least have their nuts removed!
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.what makes me laugh is it was the conservatives who gave the lizzie type people the chance to buy thier council house for all ,and that is one thing i will never forgive them for .work from 18 till 35 years old to buy a house ,get the house and have some pikey who keeps car engines in his front garden who aint done a days work in his life move in next door because he made a :tsktsk:ing mint on his council hse and can buy the house next door to me for cash .worst thing is it was my money that was paying for his council hse in the first place .If i could do it again i would leave school ,go on the dole ,get the bird preggers ,do a bit of petty crime ,and bingo your top of the list for a council house .sorry if that offends any one that bought a council house as i know there are some out there that did not abuse the system and derserved to be able to buy it at a so called reduced rate .

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so true mudz, makes you

[quote name='Rillo' date='Apr 6 2005, 12:02 PM']Since 97 :

- SPIN SPIN and more SPIN

- we pay way more tax

- Public services are as bad as ever

- thousands more faceless Bureaucrats.

- 70% rise in council tax

- we bend over backwards to help minorities/scroungers/travellers/asylum seekers etc.

- we can't move for GATSOs but real criminals get away with it

- Our pensions are now worthless

- we live in a society where you can be better off by NOT working!

- the M4 bus lane!!! - pure genius 

- Political Correctness gone mad

the list goes on and on and on

Time for a change I think.........................
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and those are some of the reasons i have moved from the UK to switzerland, if ur an "assylum seeker" ( gypo who want benefits) then ur going to have a rough time and more likely to end up on a flight straight back .

tax is cheap think the highest is 14% - depends where u live not what u earn
public service is spot on as is the public transport - they apologise if the train is 30 secs late!

very harsh on speeding and drink driving tho ( £20,000 fine min ) which isnt a bad thing.

and the main political party is openly against "hands dipping in the pasport hat" so no probs with immigrants really

I just got my first bonus in the 4 years I've been with my current employer. Somehow I paid more in tax on it than I actually got. Great incentive to work hard to earn the bonus. I'm going to vote for a party that's gonna tax me less. I figure that's not Labour.

100% agree with this comment.


[quote name='mudzs' date='Apr 6 2005, 12:56 AM']i know the feeling mate i still aint made up my mind ,who ever stops crime cleans up the hospitals and sorts out the house prices to allow younger people a foot on the ladder gets my vote
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However bad Labour are..........the Conservatives are much worse

[quote name='Monster-Mat' date='Apr 7 2005, 11:15 AM']However bad Labour are..........the Conservatives are much worse
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Sorry mate, but that's not true at all, Labour's job is to screw the middle classes (which is probably the majority of LOC members)

Take university top-up fees as a prime example, poor people get it paid for, rich people aren't bothered at all, its the middle classes that now need to find £6k a year to pay for it, plus other expenses, or take out loans and come out of uni in debt for £40k.

Also, who gets hurt most by increasing motoring costs? Fuel rises, road tax rises, the dawn of paying per mile for motorway use, damage to cars caused by pot-holes that they can't be bothered to repair, new company car tax laws......

The list is endless, but the point is blindingly clear. Screw the middle classes out of everything they got, and give it all to people who have no right to be here in the first place by way of housing and other benefits. And then irritate us further by allowing them to wash our windscreens at traffic lights, drive cars with no insurance, or probably even licenses, and then give us even further expense by causing damage to our cars, and just generally sending this country into the ground

I know it won't happen, but we really need to get rid of Labour

Couldn't have said it better!!

I want to live in a country where the good guys win for a change. I'm afraid that under Labour this never happens. They traditionally rob the middle classes to pay for stupid schemes aimed at the lowest common denominator then dress up the stats to "prove" all is well.

For example:

Lower Unemployment = 600,000 new useless public sector admin jobs

Crime Detection rates up = inlcude all speeding tickets from GATSOs in the detection figures

Doctors Waiting times reduced = all difficult/time consuming patients sent to another surgery whilst targets are being measured.

Britain needs migrant workers = we have no idea how many idiots have turned up since 1997 and we don't give a sh*t either

Now I'm not saying that the other parties are much better than this bunch of lying, two faced idiots but any improvement has got to be better than none.

[quote name='Monster-Mat' date='Apr 7 2005, 11:15 AM']However bad Labour are..........the Conservatives are much worse
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Yep you are right there.

[quote name='andy haw' date='Apr 15 2005, 07:58 PM'][quote name='Monster-Mat' date='Apr 7 2005, 11:15 AM']However bad Labour are..........the Conservatives are much worse
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Yep you are right there.
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looking how this vote is going we could well find out if its a reflection on the real vote ,however i did think that lexus owners would vote conservative

I guess all LOC members (or the majority anyway) are not Labour voters. As such the poll is only representative of a moaning middle class? Comments

If you don't tax people, the money will be spent or saved.

If it is spent it creates jobs.

If it is saved the bank will invest it to again create jobs.

The Labour party, however, are funded by the unions.

The last thing unions want is:-
low unemployment, a highly skilled workforce and high skill employment with a lot of leverage. This would mean the unions would be redundant. With employment tribunals this is already technically the case.

Hence under Labour, they seize people's wealth to prevent investment in real jobs. They outsource skilled labour abroad and give ridiculous rights such as 12 months maternity/paternity leave. In return, they create no-skill, no leverage, government non-jobs which force people into union membership. At the same time they foster the illusion that Labour are helping them during difficult times when in reality it is Labour which is creating the poor job opportunities.

Worst still, the tax and red-tape regime deters foreign companies from investing in the UK. Had the Nissan, Toyota and Honda plants been planned now, they would have not invested in the UK.

There are now daily announcements of redundancies. Even Rover turned a profit under the Tories.

I really dont know which way to vote this time round..........

I find it hard to believe the tories can do what they say they can. I can still remember 15% interest rates, and all the uk companies being sold off. And i just cant stand that howard fella....reminds me of a slimey weasel.

I dont want the lib dems, as they want me to pay more for my housing tax, so lazy barsteward down the raod doesnt.

I have no confidence in Labour, I think its time tony stepped down....he's lost the plot.

Veritas........sounds like a mineral water

UKIP..............what CAN you say.

I think ppl should have a permit to breed!

Im voting for (star a)...up the revolution.

[url="http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=21776&hl="]Join here[/url]

My wife found some old payslips of hers dated 1998,since then her pay has gone up £2.00 per hour.That is £50.00 per week or £200 per calender month.But thanks to Gordon and his tax and insurance rises,her take home pay per month is only£14 more than it was in 1998.
So taking inflation into account, she is now worse off than in 1998.

Something sucks here

[quote name='Bobski' date='Apr 16 2005, 03:01 AM']I really dont know which way to vote this time round..........

I find it hard to believe the tories can do what they say they can. I can still remember 15% interest rates, and all the uk companies being sold off. And i just cant stand that howard fella....reminds me of a slimey weasel.
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The low interest rates are world wide. Brown's lying as per usual when he tries to claim credit for it.

As for companies being sold off. Courts, Rover, Safeway, Woolworths, Dixons, French Connection, B&Q, Equitable Life, etc. All Big names, all going to the wall or already gone.

[quote name='Wayne3940' date='Apr 6 2005, 05:28 PM']My pension is still  worth something so the Government is trying to make me work longer before I can have it. Lib Dems are the only ones with a chance who haven't yet raped the country may as give them a chance
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Apart from the fact that they plan to spend 50 billion more than labour over the next 5 years. Where does this magical money come from. 50% tax on earners over 100,000 (who will leave the country in droves like last time there was a Supertax, thereby actually reducing the intended tax intake) oh and a little thing called LOCAL INCOME TAx. Basically anyone in a dual income family I.e both you and your wife earn would pay more. So anyone earning over the 28k would paya top rate of 45.5 tax (40% + 1 % NI + 4.5 local income tax).

My wife works from the NHS and I work in IT and I worked out we would pay[b] double[/b] from out current council tax in the form of the new local income tax.

Would I pay this , would I I would move abroad. Most of the southern counties would end up paying up to double council tax under the libe dems.

Oh and they would give the vote to rapists and peadophiles while still in prison, abrogate our national border policy to brussels and create another layer of beaurocrats in the form of devolved regions.

If the lib dems ever get in power I am out of this country for good. (with my aristo), down the autobahn.

[quote name='ChewBakker' date='Apr 15 2005, 07:36 PM']I guess all LOC members (or the majority anyway) are not Labour voters. As such the poll is only representative of a moaning middle class? Comments
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Yeah us hard working familys are all moaners. We have the most to moan about.

[quote name='jaylist' date='Apr 17 2005, 04:08 PM'][quote name='ChewBakker' date='Apr 15 2005, 07:36 PM']I guess all LOC members (or the majority anyway) are not Labour voters. As such the poll is only representative of a moaning middle class? Comments
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Yeah us hard working familys are all moaners. We have the most to moan about.
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After this election I am starting up my own party (seriously). I haven't got a name yet but plenty of ideas/

1 Flat tax 22% - no tax on first £12,000 of earnings.
Why - get rid of loads of inland revenue pen pushers, simple and fair tax, revenue neutral. Raises living standards of poorest without complex and expensive to administer tax credits.

2
Reduce and simplyfy benefits sytem.
Why , less tax to pay for the poorer due to no initial tax. So can streamline benefits.

3
Basic pension for everyone at at standard rate.

4
Discpline in schools/society. Introduce new civil responsabilitys act.

5
Free nursery places for all funded with voucher system.
Then everyone can work and pay taxes claiming less benefit. Children get a great start to life. Everyone can seek a work life balance.

6
De-restricted motorway speeds , move speed camera off motorways and put them outisde schools and built up areas. Police will be instructed to arrest dangerous drivers rather than just fast drivers. More expanded motorways funded by another 2 billion a year investment.

7
More defence spending , 200,000 troops.

8
Life means life. Rapists and peadophile and multiple murders get life without chance of parole , ever.

9.
Three strikes and your out laws.

10.
More cops, less paperwork.

11.
Free uni education.

12
Lower taxes for manufacturing. Re-build our industry base with Britain first industrial policy, modelled on the Japanese system.


And loads more, scrap all the quangos, re-direct overseas aid, private rapid transport implemented in urban areas, high speed trains linking all major citys.
Billions on science , nanotech, aerospace, gm etc.


Going to register the party after the election and create a website. Anyone interested in joining? Free membership to LOC members.

[quote name='jaylist' date='Apr 17 2005, 05:24 PM'][quote name='jaylist' date='Apr 17 2005, 04:08 PM'][quote name='ChewBakker' date='Apr 15 2005, 07:36 PM']I guess all LOC members (or the majority anyway) are not Labour voters. As such the poll is only representative of a moaning middle class? Comments
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Yeah us hard working familys are all moaners. We have the most to moan about.
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After this election I am starting up my own party (seriously). I haven't got a name yet but plenty of ideas/

1 Flat tax 22% - no tax on first £12,000 of earnings.
Why - get rid of loads of inland revenue pen pushers, simple and fair tax, revenue neutral. Raises living standards of poorest without complex and expensive to administer tax credits.

2
Reduce and simplyfy benefits sytem.
Why , less tax to pay for the poorer due to no initial tax. So can streamline benefits.

3
Basic pension for everyone at at standard rate.

4
Discpline in schools/society. Introduce new civil responsabilitys act.

5
Free nursery places for all funded with voucher system.
Then everyone can work and pay taxes claiming less benefit. Children get a great start to life. Everyone can seek a work life balance.

6
De-restricted motorway speeds , move speed camera off motorways and put them outisde schools and built up areas. Police will be instructed to arrest dangerous drivers rather than just fast drivers. More expanded motorways funded by another 2 billion a year investment.

7
More defence spending , 200,000 troops.

8
Life means life. Rapists and peadophile and multiple murders get life without chance of parole , ever.

9.
Three strikes and your out laws.

10.
More cops, less paperwork.

11.
Free uni education.

12
Lower taxes for manufacturing. Re-build our industry base with Britain first industrial policy, modelled on the Japanese system.


And loads more, scrap all the quangos, re-direct overseas aid, private rapid transport implemented in urban areas, high speed trains linking all major citys.
Billions on science , nanotech, aerospace, gm etc.


Going to register the party after the election and create a website. Anyone interested in joining? Free membership to LOC members.
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Errr.....sounds very good

But how to plan on generating revenue to pay for all of this?

i'll be your armed forces minister

[quote name='Monster-Mat' date='Apr 17 2005, 09:13 PM']i'll be your armed forces minister
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Im leaving the country then

On the list everything was o.k until i read no 10......surely you mean less old bill

[quote name='Mr Morse' date='Apr 17 2005, 06:53 PM']Errr.....sounds very good 

But how to plan on generating revenue to pay for all of this? 
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Flat tax is revenu neutral , so it is tweaked to bring in the same amount of tax. The gershwin report commissioned by Labour says that £20 Billion can be saved, the report commisioned by the Conservatives says £35 billion can be saved,

Taking the lower figure as my base. We have up to £20 billion to re-invest. Also I would chanel the overseas aid budget. Which according to the gov will rise to £5.3 bilion by 2008.

I would invest £1 billion of this in R&D in this country to pay for development and free deployment of TB/malaria and Aids retrovirals. This has two advantages, it saves millions and millions of lives. And it keeps research and development in this country, and gives the drug companies an incentive do develop these costly drugs , which have little commercial value in them in a classical market.

I would use another 2 billion for 2 very specific overseas projects.

The rest of the money would be put back into the general pot.

I would save loads of money by not having a costly to administer revenue system , thus be able to reduce thousands of pen pushers in the inland revenu.

Already that is £22 Billion in the pool.

Remove 70% of the beaurocrats from Defra etc. Theres 700 Million in the Big Opportunitys fund (formerley the Orwellian sounding new opportunitys fund) this is currently going into schools and hospitals and has become part of the same general tax fund, not going to charitys , sport and arts etc.

Sell/give the train tracks to the train companys in retrurn for much less subsidy. See the excerpt below for interesting reading. The railways currntly recieve almost £4 Billion in rail subsidys.

I would use 2 Billion of that a year that to build brand new high speed links (400 mph+) between the major cities. Great boost for british manufcacturing as well! The train companys can ulise the network in an efficient way. Give any small line that loses it's rail fast and subsidised coach access. Cheaper , more regular and probably quicker.

Use the rest to invest in Personal Rapid Transport for London and rolled out to other major cities . We can use this as the cars eventual replacement , for the majority of inter urban transportation. Lower pollution, cheaper than building more tube, faster than bus and as personal as a car. Also build and manufactuer in Britain and gain a nice export line for the GDP boost. Can replace our car industry.

[url="http://www.cprt.org/"]http://www.cprt.org/[/url]
[url="http://www.skywebexpress.com/"]http://www.skywebexpress.com/[/url]

There's billions if you look. We can spend the money more inteligently and reduce the size of govermnet whilst creating a real value add, scientific-industrial base from which to tackle the future .


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Rail news & views | November 2003

05 November 2003

TEN years after the 1993 Railways Act received Royal Assent and began the process of privatisation, taxpayers’ support for Britain’s railways is now said to have risen three-fold.

Research carried out by rail journalist Roger Ford, and published in The Rising Cost of Britain's Railways by pressure group Transport 2000, shows support for the railways in 2003/04 is expected to total £3.84 billion.

By comparison, in British Rail's last year as operator of an integrated railway (1993-94) the total subsidy was £1.325 billion (at 2003/04 prices).

Revenue, which the proponents of privatisation expected to rise dramatically, has hardly increased at all. It was £4.94 billion in 1989/90 and is expected to be £5bn this year.

But the costs of many areas of work are now well in excess of twice those at privatisation, and in 1992/93 BR achieved nearly 90% of arrivals on time, while in 2002-03 the figure was just 80%.

Remember that the tax intake has rise massivley since 1997.

[quote name='Scorpion' date='Apr 17 2005, 08:19 PM'][quote name='Monster-Mat' date='Apr 17 2005, 09:13 PM']i'll be your armed forces minister
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Im leaving the country then

On the list everything was o.k until i read no 10......surely you mean less old bill
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Cops are generally good They will spend less time persecuting law abiding people, and more time getting the real criminals. Remember no more 'speeding fines' on the motorways. Just dangerous driving etc. Or yeah, life imprisonment for heroin and crack[u] dealers[/u]. Life meaning for the rest of their life with no chance of parole, ever.They are scum ruining lifes.

Maybe all the police drive Altezzas!

[quote name='jaylist' date='Apr 17 2005, 09:43 PM'][quote name='Scorpion' date='Apr 17 2005, 08:19 PM'][quote name='Monster-Mat' date='Apr 17 2005, 09:13 PM']i'll be your armed forces minister
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Im leaving the country then

On the list everything was o.k until i read no 10......surely you mean less old bill
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Cops are generally good They will spend less time persecuting law abiding people, and more time getting the real criminals. Remember no more 'speeding fines' on the motorways. Just dangerous driving etc. Or yeah, life imprisonment for heroin and crack[u] dealers[/u]. Life meaning for the rest of their life with no chance of parole, ever.They are scum ruining lifes.

Maybe all the police drive Altezzas!
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Great I'll be agricultural Sec,and allow farmers to plant trees if they wish without filling in forms in triplicate

[quote name='Fidgits' date='Apr 6 2005, 07:57 AM']yes thats the spirit lads...

forget the fact under Labour, all but the top 10% rich are actually poorer (as in money left after tax)
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Oh yeah that's right!!! and during the late 80's early 90's when I was priveliged to see mass unemployment and a rather bad recession.......whilst at Uni in fact nobody could get a job in my industry (construction) due to the recession. Since leaving Uni (during which there was a change in goverement) I have done extremely well and have a comfortable lifestyle.

I would rather have a few less pennies than no pennies at all under Mr Howard - this blokes a joke!!!!!!

[quote name='deejaygee' date='Apr 18 2005, 10:02 AM']Mr Howard - this blokes a joke!!!!!!
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indeed.never a truer word said!

a new political party hmm well that italian lass won it with porn why not with lexuses
and seeing as i have had an unfortunate incident today can we bring in on the spot execution for dogs fouling the pavements (dog and owner)

[quote name='Monster-Mat' date='Apr 7 2005, 11:15 AM']However bad Labour are..........the Conservatives are much worse
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The Devil you know is better than the CONSERVATIVE you don't know

Sorry I meant to put devil
They are all the same
But I will be voting Labour
Sorry
Just so that I know what I am up against instead of trying to figure out a new devil and his policies