Do you think our Government is doing a good job :?:

that's a question for a Friday afternoon!


short answer - [b]no[/b]


long answer?

I seriously doubt the ability of any person or group to run the country.

A serious shake up, 're-engineering' type process is required for a lot of areas, and no party will the take risks.


they stand for election on the basis of reasonably nice safe policies designed to appeal to the maximum number of people, then have to stick to them.


What do you reckon my chances would be if I stood with my manifesto of


- making prisons worse. Turn them into hellholes, with no toilets, and feeding consists of chucking a couple of cows in every day. Yeah its horrible - but the answer is easy [b]don't commit any crimes and you don't get stuck in a hole[/b]. Thats not difficult - you have to deliberately out of your way to end up in jail.

- legalise prostituition. Its been illegal for ages, and that has achieved precisely nothing. Free up the police resources catching murders, rapists and burgalars


- go zero tolerance on drugs. Anybody found with even a speck of drugs goes in the hole (see prisons above). I sometimes favour completely legalising it (for the same reasons as prostitution), but more and more favour complete zero tolerance, as fear of the hole should reduce demand - putting dealers (true scum) out of business.


How many votes do you think I would get standing with that?

hmmmmmmmmmmm........what about asylum seekers :?:

What you want is a benevolent dictator...........to many self interested people get in the way.

Ban committees ??? They gave us the camel !

I had a O.U lecturer that reckoned that without T.V there would be a revoloution as it was T.V that stopped people thinking about the s**t state of the country........

A benevolent dictor like we need or malevonent dictator like we have :?: Interesting.......

[quote][i]Originally posted by tdiplc[/i]
hmmmmmmmmmmm........what about asylum seekers :?:[/quote]

no more I'm afraid.


it's simply a case of resources.

we do not have enough resources (eg hospitals, schools etc) to go around the number of people in the country already.

it's just supply and demand.

the demand already outstrips the supply, so how will increasing the demand help?


don't get me wrong - I do feel sorry for those people being persecuted in other countries, and to some degree proud that they see the UK as a source of hope.

If the country was in a better state - then I my opinion would be different - but we just do not have the resources available.

[quote][i]Originally posted by DaveEllen[/i]
I had a O.U lecturer that reckoned that without T.V there would be a revoloution as it was T.V that stopped people thinking about the s**t state of the country........[/quote]

I agree with your lecturer.

bread and circuses worked for the Romans.

Coronation Street and I'm a Celebrity Get me Out of Here serve just as well now.

Not big on politics, but seeing as we are a car owners club I think the state of the roads needs a mention. The roads are a pile of s@*t and getting worse, at least round our way.

The local authority is not getting the funding from government to do anything about them.

The amount we pay in tax and the state of the roads is a disgrace.

At least give us some banked corners!

Question - Are decent roads, low taxation, low crime, better schools, better hospitals etc, mutually exclusive to giving cash and houses to the hoards of people that invade our shores :?:

On asylum seekers... my view is that we should try to help genuine ones...but too many are economic refugees...

My wife comes from romania and she gets quite agitated when romanian asylum seekers appear as the miniority that did get hassle , the gypsies, are now protected by similair race relation laws to ours..........

Someone genuinely in fear of their life will make their selves known at the point of entry in my humble opinion.......

on T.V and it being the new opiate of the masses......the more I think about it the more I agree with the lecturer (Gerry) ....seemingly I've got to work until I'm 70 now.......I've never been unemployed pay 40% tax.......why is my state pension going to be worthless......aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh

Benevolent dictator.......Mr Blair is'nt really worth wasting my time on......anyone remember when he was a proper lefty ??? anyone remember what David blunkett did to sheffield...........

think I'd better calm down...........

gonna save up an d buy my own island !!!

:flaming:

[quote][i]Originally posted by tdiplc[/i]
Question - Are decent roads, low taxation, low crime, better schools, better hospitals etc, mutually exclusive to giving cash and houses to the hoards of people that invade our shores :?:[/quote]

Not such a straightforward relationship between those things.

Would preventing asylum seekers entering the country directly lead to better schools?

I would rather spend less money on jails (for one) and directly pump it into schools hospitals etc.

How much do you think this country spends ensuring that people who find themselves [b]incapable of not committing crimes[/b] have a nice warm bed and three meals day?

How's this for a novel approach:

* Life means life

* Crimes against the person carry a harsher sentance than crimes against property

* No more economic asylum seekers but help and sympathy for genuine asylum seekers persecuted or in fear of their lives in their own countries

* Our taxes actually used for their purpose - N.I. is actually spent on schools, hospitals etc, Pension money actually goes into pension funds and road tax gets spent on roads!
:mad:

I'm with you Dave

A third of our childred in poverty.

80% of our pensioners (who gave us the freedom we currently have) in poverty.

Tax payers dying whlie waiting to be seen in hosptals.

The law abiding are afraid to walk the streets at night.

Murders and rapists being released early because incarceration conravenes their human rights.

We will be dragged unwillingly into the Euro because of the backhanders to and from corrupt politicians.

Druggies openly conducting business on the streets.

Blair blatanty ripping the p*ss out of the masses with his outrageous nepostism.

The floodgates are wide open to the flotsam and vermin in the world.

Barriers erected in English cities to segregate the Muslim and white communities. How long before that happens in most cities in the UK?

The indiginous population diminishing at record levels.

The imigrant population growing at record levels.

It's not looking good.

This once great country is finished. Last one to leave turn the light out!

Mark- Kindred spirits !!!!!!!!!!!

Everything you say I agree with.......

Too many namby pandy's........until i was 12 if i swore my mum would wash my mouth out with soap.......by swear i mean a odd bloody.........it worked (well in the house !).........if she did that now I could get her arrested !!..........the way kids speak these days........what respect will they have when they are 20 if they are like that when they are 8...............

also what about the teacher threatened with death........and pupils being reinstated by the appeals body......and sec of state skoda (estelle) morris cant intervene.........aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :flaming:

I reckon there should be fairness and justice in everyting, but I think that political correctness has gone way too far now.

Am I the only one suffering from toleration fatigue?

I reckon there should be fairness and justice in everyting, but I think that political correctness has gone way too far now.

Am I the only one suffering from toleration fatigue?

[quote]Our Glorious Leader[/quote]

For one minute I thought Mark was on about me then :lol:

[quote][i]Originally posted by tdiplc[/i]
I reckon there should be fairness and justice in everyting, but I think that political correctness has gone way too far now.

Am I the only one suffering from toleration fatigue?[/quote]

Mark,

With you on that one - working in recuitment / HR consultancy we are so shrouded in PC terminology and general rubbish that I spend most my time worried that we're about to get sued for another ridiculous reason

Si

There are so many sensible people now with toleration fatigue - not racists or right wingers , just normal people.

I know I/ve had enough :flaming:

Is it all over or will the tide turn?

since july 01 I've been working at LB Lambeth........truly a haven for all PC types........I was told that they employed a post room supervisor a few years ago..........who could not read or write......an appointment based on colour which beggars belief.......I'm not a racist and the remaining problems @ Lambeth are down to white middle managers who have made a career out of not making a decision...........

California on Monday - Islington Wednesday - Law Friday..............

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh:flaming:

[quote][i]Originally posted by DaveEllen[/i]
also what about the teacher threatened with death........and pupils being reinstated by the appeals body......and sec of state skoda (estelle) morris cant intervene.........aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :flaming:[/quote]

I simply could not believe this today.

The mother of one of the children is all over the radio news, up in arms because the school won't accept her scumbag of a child back!!!

The fact that he [b]threatened to kill[/b] another human being is not the issue with her.

She does not deny that the threats were made, she is not on radio protesting her son's innocence - she is making a fuss because she feels the school must be made to take the ratboy back!


And the really sick thing, and the fact that truly disgusts me is this.

1- How long do you think it will be before she has sold her story to some newspaper?

2- How much do you think she will get for it?

[quote][i]Originally posted by Claire G[/i]
How's this for a novel approach:

* Crimes against the person carry a harsher sentance than crimes against property[/quote]

Afraid I don't agree with this one Claire.


Crimes against property should be treated just as seriously as crimes against the person.

But both should be treated harshly.


I work really hard for my possessions.

I have not been left any large inheritance, or had a lottery win.

Everything I have, I have earned by going out and working.

OK - I'm a computer consultant, so I'm not digging holes, but I still work hard on jobs I don't always enjoy to ensure I can live in a lifestyle that suits me.


Why should someone with no social conscience think it is OK to take my car? Or break into my house and steal my TV / DVD / stereo?

There are so many topics opening up on this thread - so I'll concentrate on just one.
When asylum seekers have trudged across the whole of Europe (or half way round the world) - why are they so determined to get into Britain? Okay we have national health etc.... but surely France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, sunny Spain etc....... must look attractive as they pass through? Or are people in the rest of Europe having discussions like this?

[quote][i]Originally posted by Jev[/i]
When asylum seekers have trudged across the whole of Europe (or half way round the world) - why are they so determined to get into Britain?[/quote]

[url="http://oxfam.org.uk/campaign/cutconflict/asylum/myth.htm"]read this[/url]

which explains how asylum seekers cost £300 million pound a year.


Then contrast that with

[url="http://society.guardian.co.uk/crimeandpunishment/story/0,8150,755498,00.html"]this article[/url]

which includes the quote

[b]"we predict that by 2006 the prison population in England and Wales will be over 90,000, at an annual cost of £4bn.[/b]


So the people who are really sucking the life out of schools, hospitals, pensions etc are the dregs of society for whom we are spending [b]billions of pounds every year[/b] to make sure they get nice beds and food.


Would people here rather give food and somewhere to live to people who make a [b]concious decision[/b] to steal, rape, assault and kill, than support people trying to escape persection?


As I have said in an earlier post in this thread, I believe that we should put a halt to accepting asylum seekers, as we simply do not have the resources to go around.

But I would rather we throw the criminals in a hellhole of a pit in the ground with no toilets / guards / beds etc and save billions of pounds a year, than save the £300 million that the asylum seekers cost us.

ok i aint read this hole thread but hee r my views

glorious leader is an idiot i hate him and the rest of the ppl with him, full of ***** and just follows bush around like a lost puppy

the kid that threatened the teacher needs a kickin and so does his mom. who does the little ***** think he is doin that then tryin to gt back in school

thing about the possesion damage- i agree with matt. what right has someone got to steal/destroy someone elses property no matter how small or inexpensive it may be.

also think the law is absoloute bull. if someone brakes into your house and you catch them trying to rob you and you beat the scum bag down for trying it they can have you done for assault etc. what a LOAD OF *****!! so if someone tries to rob you dnt hurt them, instead get up and give them a hand loading your 42" widescreen into there car/van wouldn't want them to hurt themselves.......... CLOWNS!!

did you hear bout that guy in the US he went and robbed a video and some other stuff from a house. He went back and plugged the video in, inserted a tape and got electric shock....... he took the ppl he stole it from to court and he got compensation....... i mean what the **** is that about. its a true story.

also i think them kids that go round stealing etc that are bout 12 and then cant have anything done to them coz they are too young. bull****. you seen the places they put the young offenders in in brazil,US etc they make the kid think long and hard before they do it again. in here they put them in detention centers and they got playstations, tv's hi-fi's etc, basically they got it better in the detention center than they have in the real world so course they gonna re-offend when they get out!!!this really annoys me

:mad::mad: man im worked up now gonna go kick the **** out my punch bag and speedball:flaming:

you know what really gets me aswell bout this government- the english government help Turkey take over half of Cyprus (never seen that side of Cyprus as i will be killed if i go to that part coz im cypriot) now the english government wanna get Turkey out. a little late i think, the damage has been done and thousands of ppl were killed trying to save there homes and families from this.

they have put a radar mast in cyprus to detect war planes etc from Iraq and other places, the english RAF base did'nt want it near them as it gives out too much radiation and will harm ppl- so they go put it where the greeks are coz they couldn't give a ***** what happens to them ppl, our government said no but they done did it anyway. The UK is supposed to pay cyprus government money for using there land but do they, do they ********!!

its not there country and they still do what they want. ****** annoys me.

maybe i should leave the UK not fond of it anyways. i know most of you will just tell me to **** off if i dnt like it but it aint just me and it aint coz my family is from there. i got customers that go cyprus 2-3times a year and they love it, some have lived there. most of them say that if they had the chance they would go live there straight away without looking back so its not just me before you all have a go at me

speach over- back to the punch bag:mad:

[quote][i]Originally posted by Playa[/i]
also think the law is absoloute bull. if someone brakes into your house and you catch them trying to rob you and you beat the scum bag down for trying it they can have you done for assault etc. what a LOAD OF *****!! so if someone tries to rob you dnt hurt them, instead get up and give them a hand loading your 42" widescreen into there car/van wouldn't want them to hurt themselves.......... CLOWNS!![/quote]

I do not think the law should encourage this sort of behaviour, but I was frankly astonished by the Tony Martin case.

Could not believe that the man was jailed for shooting burgulars who had broken into his house.


Don't think the guy should get a medal - but he shouldn't be in jail.

What really surprised me was that it was a jury who convicted him.

There really were twelve people who thought "[i]Oh those poor boys, what sort of a monster shoots people who have broken into his house, and whos motives are defintely to steal, and maybe even willing to get violent[/i]"

Personally, I would have taken the view that the world was better off - two less assholes on the planet.

sad thing about Tony Martin is that he has been threatened by the families of those he killed............from what I read there are not particulary nice people....

How about this then?

Earlier this week my wife was driving in our area, when a guy came running out of a house and into a car by the side of the road. The car screached away causing her to brake hard to avoid him. The car sped upto the traffic lights whch were red, and crashed into the waiting traffic. The woman he crashed into got out of the and was threatened by the guy with a knife before speeding of through the red lights and disappearing.

The missus stopped to help the woman and exchange phone numbers as a witness etc.

The missus phoned her next day, and guess what?

The guy was eventually caught by the Police who had been after him all afternioon.

He had commited 26 offences that afternoon, including:
1) Robbing and battering an old woman (which was where he was running from when the missus saw him.
2) Car jacking the car he stole and crashed from an old boy at traffic lights.
3) One other robbery after the crash.

No prizes for guessing that he was:
1) A crack head
2) A "Traveller" from Eastern Europe.
3) An illegal immigrant

And just to top it off nicely was the fantastic news yesterday that the House of Lords is going to prevent the deportation of illegal immigrants.

An interesting experience.......

A couple of years ago I was in Singapore on business.

After the meeting we went to a club (as you do), and I still had my brief case with me.

I asked the local guy I was with what I should do with my case. He said "just leave it on the seat of the car". Naturally I was concerned about this, but did as I was bade. I was even more concerened when he did not lock the car, so I asked him if he was concerned that anything may get stolen from his car.

He said "NO"

Lo and behold my case was still there when we returned to the car. I couldn't believe it.

Singapore has a very harsh penal system, which treats vermin with righteous justice. Harsh but fair?

It doesn't take Einstein to work out what we are doing wrong, but who's going to do something about it?

Here's another sickenning experience I had a month ago.

I was chatting with a guy I know very well. He was born in England with Indian parents. Apparently that latest scam by his community is to go back to India and pretend to be a refugee and apply for asylum here, because they know they will get a free house with the right to buy it.

He seriously intends to have a go at this if he can get enough time off work.

What the H*ll is going on?

[quote][i]Originally posted by tdiplc[/i]
Singapore has a very harsh penal system, which treats vermin with righteous justice. Harsh but fair?[/quote]

this is what I am talking about.

Our penal system is not harsh / scary / frightening enough.

People are not scared of jail - it holds no fear for them.

I would make prisons so horrific that people would be so terrified of the prospect of going to jail, no one would even drop litter.

[quote][i]Originally posted by tdiplc[/i]
Here's another sickenning experience I had a month ago.

I was chatting with a guy I know very well. He was born in England with Indian parents. Apparently that latest scam by his community is to go back to India and pretend to be a refugee and apply for asylum here, because they know they will get a free house with the right to buy it.

What the H*ll is going on?[/quote]
As an Indian who came to this country as a refugee from Uganda 30 years ago, I must say I have never heard of this scam.
Me and my family have worked hard over the years and grateful to the British for providing us refuge.
Apart from a few months in the 70's I have not relied on the State to provide for me. In fact we have always paid our dues without complaint. Last year alone 2 members of my family paid over 100k in taxes.
Sometimes it is very easy to dwell on the negative impact of immigration.

That's fantastic Jayone!

This country always has and always will rely on hard working immigrants, and most right minded peole will welcome this with open arms for economic and cultural enrichment reasons.

The problem lies with those that do not think and act like you and your family. This causes segregation and resentment especially when they bring their historical rivalries, religious blinkers and a determination not to fit in with us but for us to accomodate them.

Any other views?

This is exactly why I would rather be able to support asylum seekers or any other immigrant who wishes to help contribute to the overall position of the country, than support the ******** we currently spend [b]billions[/b] of pounds to keep in jail.

I would even be prepared to throw these people out of the country to allow other people in.


"Hello (eg) Jayone - welcome to the UK!

You'll be pleased to know we have chucked Ian Brady into the Black Hole of Calcutta to free up resources to allow you enter the country"


More than a fair trade if you ask me

[quote][i]
You'll be pleased to know we have chucked Ian Brady into the Black Hole of Calcutta to free up resources to allow you enter the country"


More than a fair trade if you ask me[/quote]

Couldn't happen to a more deserving human being.
I understand the hole was filled in soon after!

A POINT TO PLAYA............

the british govt never helped turkey take over cyprus,it was in fact a british govt/UN proposal that stopped turkey where it was,it was the british that supplied the troops to man the hostile border.....which they still do today.

the radar........was and is paid for by britian/UN and greece,

AND ON ANOTHER POINT......

i was born in Cyprus,in Dhekelia and lived in Farmagusta which is now a ghost town due to the war,which was on when i was there,hence the reason that my mother sister and myself were flown out ........

My gripe with Refugees,is that heres me doing my bit for world bloody peace,putting my **** neck on the line in ***** holes like:-

IRAQ
BOSNIA
MACEDONIA
SIERRA LEONE
KOSOVO

and when i get back from these **** places the ******ers have got them selves homes,the rob our people they get all the good things in life that i have to work for.......WHY......i have just spent 6 months getting there ***** hole country back on its feet.....now that pisses me off!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[/quote]
As an Indian who came to this country as a refugee from Uganda 30 years ago, I must say I have never heard of this scam.
Me and my family have worked hard over the years and grateful to the British for providing us refuge.
Apart from a few months in the 70's I have not relied on the State to provide for me. In fact we have always paid our dues without complaint. Last year alone 2 members of my family paid over 100k in taxes.
Sometimes it is very easy to dwell on the negative impact of immigration.
[/quote]

I think that's great. Anyone with a positive attitude and genuine reason to leave a country and come to Britain should be welcomed. Lots of immigrant families work hard to start new lives for themselves, contribute to their new country and sometimes need a helping hand. Fantastic, no problem with that at all - our culture, ecomony and lives are the better for it.

Unfortunately there are those who have no interest in integrating - even to the point of not being willing to learn English or contribute to society. There are those who do see Britain as a soft touch and who know they will be fed, housed and clothed by the state.

I think as a country we are pretty unique and lucky to have a multitude of cultures and ethnicity. Absolutely no gripe with any genuine asylum seekers or those prepared to put some effort in to better themselves, their families and our country. Just the spongers I have issues with !

Sounds like another resounding victory of stupidity over common sense by our Glorious Leader then!

Bring on Australia. And don't foget - last one out turn the light off.