Adie
Dec 31 2007, 07:16 PM
QUOTE(Gord @ Dec 31 2007, 04:34 PM)
QUOTE(Adie @ Dec 29 2007, 11:34 PM)
Sorry to hear this mate. I know exactly how you feel. At least your only on your first rebuild
Don't bother with an independant report. As Neil has said its really a waste of money as you will never find exactly or prove why the con-rod snapped. We all know they are very weak and can even snap under hardly any power.
Also my battery has died plenty of times on the car and even replaced it. In fact its probably dead again now as I've not driven it for about a month. The map and data will still remain on there.
There were a few more things I was going to say but after reading 8 pages I've forgotten.
Hope you get it sorted mate
Please remember Adie, as you are, sort of in the same boat
Sorry mate, forgot. too many pages to trawl through again..
any questions Cho - fire away mate
surprising the data is taking a while to arrive, thought it would have been available instantly TBH but i suppose different companies operate different ways and have different procedures.
Cho - have u had a chance to measure the pulley properly yet?
Gord
Jan 1 2008, 10:28 AM
QUOTE(Rob @ Jan 1 2008, 10:07 AM)
surprising the data is taking a while to arrive, thought it would have been available instantly TBH but i suppose different companies operate different ways and have different procedures.
Cho - have u had a chance to measure the pulley properly yet?
I would have thought the same Rob. Cho might be better getting the car running again, by which time he should have the data, then he can compare the two.
But his main problem will be the eng/man/light keep coming on, this he will need sorting ASAP.
If it is like the others, it will be running rich.
Out of intrest Cho, what sort of MPG was you getting after the work was done
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 1 2008, 10:28 AM)
QUOTE(Rob @ Jan 1 2008, 10:07 AM)
surprising the data is taking a while to arrive, thought it would have been available instantly TBH but i suppose different companies operate different ways and have different procedures.
Cho - have u had a chance to measure the pulley properly yet?
I would have thought the same Rob. Cho might be better getting the car running again, by which time he should have the data, then he can compare the two.
But his main problem will be the eng/man/light keep coming on, this he will need sorting ASAP.
If it is like the others, it will be running rich.
Out of intrest Cho, what sort of MPG was you getting after the work was done
Not sure at all as the fuel gauge also stopped working after the Fcon was installed. It was totally erratic
doesnt matter u could still workout the mpg
QUOTE(Rob @ Jan 1 2008, 10:07 AM)
surprising the data is taking a while to arrive, thought it would have been available instantly TBH but i suppose different companies operate different ways and have different procedures.
Cho - have u had a chance to measure the pulley properly yet?
Just checked it, deffo around 150mm
Gord
Jan 1 2008, 01:21 PM
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 1 2008, 12:24 PM)
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 1 2008, 10:28 AM)
QUOTE(Rob @ Jan 1 2008, 10:07 AM)
surprising the data is taking a while to arrive, thought it would have been available instantly TBH but i suppose different companies operate different ways and have different procedures.
Cho - have u had a chance to measure the pulley properly yet?
I would have thought the same Rob. Cho might be better getting the car running again, by which time he should have the data, then he can compare the two.
But his main problem will be the eng/man/light keep coming on, this he will need sorting ASAP.
If it is like the others, it will be running rich.
Out of intrest Cho, what sort of MPG was you getting after the work was done
Not sure at all as the fuel gauge also stopped working after the Fcon was installed. It was totally erratic
Another one, that has had the FCON fitted and the fuel gauge not working after fitment
thats six that i know of now
When you collected your car, was it all finished ?
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 1 2008, 01:21 PM)
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 1 2008, 12:24 PM)
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 1 2008, 10:28 AM)
QUOTE(Rob @ Jan 1 2008, 10:07 AM)
surprising the data is taking a while to arrive, thought it would have been available instantly TBH but i suppose different companies operate different ways and have different procedures.
Cho - have u had a chance to measure the pulley properly yet?
I would have thought the same Rob. Cho might be better getting the car running again, by which time he should have the data, then he can compare the two.
But his main problem will be the eng/man/light keep coming on, this he will need sorting ASAP.
If it is like the others, it will be running rich.
Out of intrest Cho, what sort of MPG was you getting after the work was done
Not sure at all as the fuel gauge also stopped working after the Fcon was installed. It was totally erratic
Another one, that has had the FCON fitted and the fuel gauge not working after fitment
thats six that i know of now
When you collected your car, was it all finished ?
Yes I was told I would be very happy with it. About 50 miles after collecting it the engiine man. light came on. I was told the idiling problem was just due to the ecu "learning and self trimming" and should sort itself. Drove from london to leicester. The next time I got in the car the fuel gauge had dropped by half a tank! Was also having problems with the car not wanting to start.
The car was actually due to go back to them this week to get everything sorted but obviously I have bigger problems to worry about now.
sparkystav
Jan 1 2008, 02:17 PM
Trying not to point the finger or anything,
But i'm sorry that doesn't sound like a good job done at all!?
Stav
eXOBeX
Jan 1 2008, 02:59 PM
I think the fuel gauge issue is due to it only measuring the tank every so often, unless there's a major change (like a fillup). Mine does it the other way, dropping even though I'm running on LPG, then realising I've used bugger all and jumping back up again.
May be possible to fool the system into correcting the gauge more often, possibly using a PIC microcontroller to every so often drop or raise the reading from the tank enough to force a correction, then back again. Not looked into it though. If I had your problem though (where'd that quarter of a tank just go?) I'd definitely be getting the soldering iron out!
Chris.S
Jan 1 2008, 03:03 PM
QUOTE(Monster-Mat @ Dec 23 2007, 10:24 AM)
i only have one question.........
QUOTE(cho @ Dec 22 2007, 06:54 PM)
Whilst cruising down the motorway I have had a rod snap
Cruising......
or spirited driving
Mine went pop while cruising at 70 if you remember and mine was just a standard spec charger
Chris.S
Jan 1 2008, 03:05 PM
QUOTE(Gord @ Dec 23 2007, 11:13 AM)
QUOTE(Monster-Mat @ Dec 23 2007, 10:24 AM)
i only have one question.........
QUOTE(cho @ Dec 22 2007, 06:54 PM)
Whilst cruising down the motorway I have had a rod snap
Cruising......
or spirited driving
Why
Don't forget Chris Shipleys lost a rod whilst cruising down the motorway and his was bog standard
Iwasnt pushing mine either, ask Aido. I didnt get any warning lights or anything, just a short misfire and then bang !!
Lexus came back to me months later saying the cause of my engine failure was over fueling
Gord
Jan 1 2008, 03:49 PM
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 1 2008, 02:04 PM)
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 1 2008, 01:21 PM)
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 1 2008, 12:24 PM)
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 1 2008, 10:28 AM)
QUOTE(Rob @ Jan 1 2008, 10:07 AM)
surprising the data is taking a while to arrive, thought it would have been available instantly TBH but i suppose different companies operate different ways and have different procedures.
Cho - have u had a chance to measure the pulley properly yet?
I would have thought the same Rob. Cho might be better getting the car running again, by which time he should have the data, then he can compare the two.
But his main problem will be the eng/man/light keep coming on, this he will need sorting ASAP.
If it is like the others, it will be running rich.
Out of intrest Cho, what sort of MPG was you getting after the work was done
Not sure at all as the fuel gauge also stopped working after the Fcon was installed. It was totally erratic
Another one, that has had the FCON fitted and the fuel gauge not working after fitment
thats six that i know of now
When you collected your car, was it all finished ?
Yes I was told I would be very happy with it. About 50 miles after collecting it the engiine man. light came on. I was told the idiling problem was just due to the ecu "learning and self trimming" and should sort itself. Drove from london to leicester. The next time I got in the car the fuel gauge had dropped by half a tank! Was also having problems with the car not wanting to start.
This sounds just like the problems Raj was having with his car, but thay put that down to it being auto, that was running very rich too.
Gord
Jan 1 2008, 03:52 PM
QUOTE(Chris.S @ Jan 1 2008, 03:05 PM)
QUOTE(Gord @ Dec 23 2007, 11:13 AM)
QUOTE(Monster-Mat @ Dec 23 2007, 10:24 AM)
i only have one question.........
QUOTE(cho @ Dec 22 2007, 06:54 PM)
Whilst cruising down the motorway I have had a rod snap
Cruising......
or spirited driving
Why
Don't forget Chris Shipleys lost a rod whilst cruising down the motorway and his was bog standard
Iwasnt pushing mine either, ask Aido. I didnt get any warning lights or anything, just a short misfire and then bang !!
Lexus came back to me months later saying the cause of my engine failure was over fueling
Over fueling, intresting as i know Lexus sorted yours, If cho's car is running rich that may be over fueling too.
Adie
Jan 1 2008, 10:29 PM
I also had the fuel gauge problem after having the V-Pro installed. I'd be driving for ages with hardly any movement, then all of a sudden it would drop down to about 1/4. Tdi did sort the problem though. I think it was something to do with 2 wires crossed or one in a different place or something. Somebody else just after me had the same problem as ours were the 1st to be fitted with the V-Pro. Fuel gauge works fine now though.
Gord
Jan 1 2008, 10:45 PM
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 1 2008, 10:29 PM)
I also had the fuel gauge problem after having the V-Pro installed. I'd be driving for ages with hardly any movement, then all of a sudden it would drop down to about 1/4. Tdi did sort the problem though. I think it was something to do with 2 wires crossed or one in a different place or something. Somebody else just after me had the same problem as ours were the 1st to be fitted with the V-Pro. Fuel gauge works fine now though.
You would have thought thay would have sorted the problem then
aido
Jan 2 2008, 04:14 PM
QUOTE(Chris.S @ Jan 1 2008, 03:05 PM)
Iwasnt pushing mine either, ask Aido. I didnt get any warning lights or anything, just a short misfire and then bang !!
Lexus came back to me months later saying the cause of my engine failure was over fueling
I can categorically state you weren't pushing it at all pal, in fact I've never had such good MPG in my car as when I've driven behind you
Sorry to hear of your problems cho, and hope you get everything sorted soon
Chris.S
Jan 2 2008, 04:53 PM
QUOTE(aido @ Jan 2 2008, 04:14 PM)
QUOTE(Chris.S @ Jan 1 2008, 03:05 PM)
Iwasnt pushing mine either, ask Aido. I didnt get any warning lights or anything, just a short misfire and then bang !!
Lexus came back to me months later saying the cause of my engine failure was over fueling
I can categorically state you weren't pushing it at all pal, in fact I've never had such good MPG in my car as when I've driven behind you
Yep but you had the dirtiest windscreen when it let go
eXOBeX
Jan 2 2008, 07:48 PM
Aido had the dirtiest windscreen anyway
From: Mark Catchpole
Sent: 02 January 2008 16:04
To: 'customerservices@skyshack.com'
Subject: RE: iS200
Hi Charnjit
Unfortunately we have been unable to locate the electronic dyno data so far. I suspect that either it wasn’t saved or it has been mistakenly filed under another name in which case it may take us a while to find.
We have three different methodologies available for recording boost pressure and air/fuel ratio data, and our technicians have their own preferences for doing so. The standard operating procedure we implement for recording results is a manual record, which of course we do have on file for your car.
Gord
Jan 3 2008, 03:49 PM
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 03:20 PM)
From: Mark Catchpole
Sent: 02 January 2008 16:04
To: 'customerservices@skyshack.com'
Subject: RE: iS200
Hi Charnjit
Unfortunately we have been unable to locate the electronic dyno data so far. I suspect that either it wasn’t saved or it has been mistakenly filed under another name in which case it may take us a while to find.
We have three different methodologies available for recording boost pressure and air/fuel ratio data, and our technicians have their own preferences for doing so. The standard operating procedure we implement for recording results is a manual record, which of course we do have on file for your car.
Thats funny, Mr Mark Catchpole was very fast to post your dyno chart on the WIM web site.
As ive said to you Cho, you would be best getting your car running again, find out why all the Eng/man lights are on, when you have done this.
1. Take it back for them to sort out, as thats what you payed for in the 1st place.
2. If the eng/man/light still comes on, take all the parts off and get your money back, like Raj did.
3. If you not happy with the work you have has done, ask for your money back.
4. Contact trading standards.
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 3 2008, 03:49 PM)
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 03:20 PM)
From: Mark Catchpole
Sent: 02 January 2008 16:04
To: 'customerservices@skyshack.com'
Subject: RE: iS200
Hi Charnjit
Unfortunately we have been unable to locate the electronic dyno data so far. I suspect that either it wasn’t saved or it has been mistakenly filed under another name in which case it may take us a while to find.
We have three different methodologies available for recording boost pressure and air/fuel ratio data, and our technicians have their own preferences for doing so. The standard operating procedure we implement for recording results is a manual record, which of course we do have on file for your car.
Thats funny, Mr Mark Catchpole was very fast to post your dyno chart on the WIM web site.
As ive said to you Cho, you would be best getting your car running again, find out why all the Eng/man lights are on, when you have done this.
1. Take it back for them to sort out, as thats what you payed for in the 1st place.
2. If the eng/man/light still comes on, take all the parts off and get your money back, like Raj did.
3. If you not happy with the work you have has done, ask for your money back.
4. Contact trading standards.
Do you think I should just swap the existing engine with a second hand one? I would need to have the uprated fuel injectors removed and placed in the new one.
Gord
Jan 3 2008, 04:33 PM
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 3 2008, 03:49 PM)
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 03:20 PM)
From: Mark Catchpole
Sent: 02 January 2008 16:04
To: 'customerservices@skyshack.com'
Subject: RE: iS200
Hi Charnjit
Unfortunately we have been unable to locate the electronic dyno data so far. I suspect that either it wasn’t saved or it has been mistakenly filed under another name in which case it may take us a while to find.
We have three different methodologies available for recording boost pressure and air/fuel ratio data, and our technicians have their own preferences for doing so. The standard operating procedure we implement for recording results is a manual record, which of course we do have on file for your car.
Thats funny, Mr Mark Catchpole was very fast to post your dyno chart on the WIM web site.
As ive said to you Cho, you would be best getting your car running again, find out why all the Eng/man lights are on, when you have done this.
1. Take it back for them to sort out, as thats what you payed for in the 1st place.
2. If the eng/man/light still comes on, take all the parts off and get your money back, like Raj did.
3. If you not happy with the work you have has done, ask for your money back.
4. Contact trading standards.
Do you think I should just swap the existing engine with a second hand one? I would need to have the uprated fuel injectors removed and placed in the new one.
I would get one with low miles as poss, yes you would have to change the injectors to the new engine.
And the pulley from your old engine, the garage fitting this should see know or you should tell them so thay are in the know.
You really need to get it running to move to your next step.
Adie
Jan 3 2008, 04:50 PM
Also mate if you do plan on running higher boost then you'll need to get uprated internals etc fitted. Or you will break another con rod, then you'll be back in the same boat you are now.
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 3 2008, 04:50 PM)
Also mate if you do plan on running higher boost then you'll need to get uprated internals etc fitted. Or you will break another con rod, then you'll be back in the same boat you are now.
Yeah you are right but I just dont know whether it's something I want to fork out on right now. How is you car running with the low comp. pistons, what's the drivability like? I have spoken to a few people and had mixed opinions.
Adie
Jan 3 2008, 05:14 PM
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 05:02 PM)
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 3 2008, 04:50 PM)
Also mate if you do plan on running higher boost then you'll need to get uprated internals etc fitted. Or you will break another con rod, then you'll be back in the same boat you are now.
Yeah you are right but I just dont know whether it's something I want to fork out on right now. How is you car running with the low comp. pistons, what's the drivability like? I have spoken to a few people and had mixed opinions.
I've only just done the running in miles on it. Its having oil / filter change next week. Then I can get the map sorted and MOT too. So It should be all finished in the next few weeks. Then I'll let you know.
Gord
Jan 3 2008, 05:18 PM
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 3 2008, 05:14 PM)
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 05:02 PM)
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 3 2008, 04:50 PM)
Also mate if you do plan on running higher boost then you'll need to get uprated internals etc fitted. Or you will break another con rod, then you'll be back in the same boat you are now.
Yeah you are right but I just dont know whether it's something I want to fork out on right now. How is you car running with the low comp. pistons, what's the drivability like? I have spoken to a few people and had mixed opinions.
I've only just done the running in miles on it. Its having oil / filter change next week. Then I can get the map sorted and MOT too. So It should be all finished in the next few weeks. Then I'll let you know.
Who is doing the mapping mate ??
boddamloon
Jan 3 2008, 06:46 PM
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 03:20 PM)
From: Mark Catchpole
Sent: 02 January 2008 16:04
To: 'customerservices@skyshack.com'
Subject: RE: iS200
Hi Charnjit
Unfortunately we have been unable to locate the electronic dyno data so far. I suspect that either it wasn’t saved or it has been mistakenly filed under another name in which case it may take us a while to find.
We have three different methodologies available for recording boost pressure and air/fuel ratio data, and our technicians have their own preferences for doing so. The standard operating procedure we implement for recording results is a manual record, which of course we do have on file for your car.
//
I guess everyone has now made there own mind up about this now. Why would the "standard operating procedure" be a manual one if there is an electronic one available to them?? I would have thought that a place like TDi would want everything electronically stored for there own ease??? Sorry to read this Cho mate
Gord
Jan 3 2008, 06:48 PM
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 03:20 PM)
From: Mark Catchpole
Sent: 02 January 2008 16:04
To: 'customerservices@skyshack.com'
Subject: RE: iS200
Hi Charnjit
Unfortunately we have been unable to locate the electronic dyno data so far. I suspect that either it wasn’t saved or it has been mistakenly filed under another name in which case it may take us a while to find.
We have three different methodologies available for recording boost pressure and air/fuel ratio data, and our technicians have their own preferences for doing so. The standard operating procedure we implement for recording results is a manual record, which of course we do have on file for your car.
Starting point for Mr Catchpole to start looking for your data cho....655191 done on 04/12/07 @17.08,
3 Page's
Mr Singh
Jan 3 2008, 07:52 PM
*****.. don't come on here that much, but i'm really sorry to hear your nightmare story. I hope it gets sorted.
Though its noted the rods are weak point on this motor, i agree with Gord on post #172
All the best.
Adie
Jan 3 2008, 08:08 PM
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 3 2008, 05:18 PM)
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 3 2008, 05:14 PM)
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 05:02 PM)
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 3 2008, 04:50 PM)
Also mate if you do plan on running higher boost then you'll need to get uprated internals etc fitted. Or you will break another con rod, then you'll be back in the same boat you are now.
Yeah you are right but I just dont know whether it's something I want to fork out on right now. How is you car running with the low comp. pistons, what's the drivability like? I have spoken to a few people and had mixed opinions.
I've only just done the running in miles on it. Its having oil / filter change next week. Then I can get the map sorted and MOT too. So It should be all finished in the next few weeks. Then I'll let you know.
Who is doing the mapping mate ??
tbc
ProLex-UK
Jan 3 2008, 08:44 PM
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 3 2008, 08:08 PM)
QUOTE(Gord @ Jan 3 2008, 05:18 PM)
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 3 2008, 05:14 PM)
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 3 2008, 05:02 PM)
QUOTE(Adie @ Jan 3 2008, 04:50 PM)
Also mate if you do plan on running higher boost then you'll need to get uprated internals etc fitted. Or you will break another con rod, then you'll be back in the same boat you are now.
Yeah you are right but I just dont know whether it's something I want to fork out on right now. How is you car running with the low comp. pistons, what's the drivability like? I have spoken to a few people and had mixed opinions.
I've only just done the running in miles on it. Its having oil / filter change next week. Then I can get the map sorted and MOT too. So It should be all finished in the next few weeks. Then I'll let you know.
Who is doing the mapping mate ??
tbc
Make sure you get ALL the data when you collect your car .............then it can't be lost
Ellz
Jan 3 2008, 09:48 PM
Cho not sure if yours is the same but im pretty sure my dyno sheet has my max boost pressure figure on it which was 0.4(somethign something) bar, i know mines a turbo but it could be on your print outs. But other data should be on file somewhere, hopefully TDi can find it otherwise this could all get abit messy.
Gord
Jan 3 2008, 10:05 PM
QUOTE(Ellz @ Jan 3 2008, 09:48 PM)
Cho not sure if yours is the same but im pretty sure my dyno sheet has my max boost pressure figure on it which was 0.4(somethign something) bar, i know mines a turbo but it could be on your print outs. But other data should be on file somewhere, hopefully TDi can find it otherwise this could all get abit messy.
Its not the 1st time thay have not given/lost the data after engine blow-up
Fargo
Jan 3 2008, 10:23 PM
perhaps the stage 1 upgrade is so reliable that data is not needed to be stored lol, but agree with previous comments if dyno was electronically stored then why the rest wasnt ??
make sure the ink on the manual data sheet has dried as a smear might mean the decimal point appears in the wrong place.
Would the majority of the data be available to uplaod from the FCon.
ibby
Jan 4 2008, 09:40 AM
You are been taken for a ride now...
I was going to use TDI, Now Iam going to stay away from them.
Ive never seen so much nonsense comming from a company...
I would see Trading Standards,
I see the light! Have sourced a second hand engine and car is being delivered to a garage on monday to start work!
DJ Wozza
Jan 4 2008, 01:18 PM
Good luck fella
ProLex-UK
Jan 4 2008, 01:26 PM
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 4 2008, 01:06 PM)
I see the light! Have sourced a second hand engine and car is being delivered to a garage on monday to start work!
Well done.
Take it to another HKS Power writer dealer to get the mapping checked when you have swapped them over
As close as possible to where the work is being done to be safe.
Mr Catchpole is obliged to give you the unlocking code to the F-Con BTW
Anees
Jan 4 2008, 01:27 PM
QUOTE(cho @ Jan 4 2008, 01:06 PM)
I see the light! Have sourced a second hand engine and car is being delivered to a garage on monday to start work!
Yeah......thats fantastic news.... Hopefully the "surgery" goes smoothly
boddamloon
Jan 4 2008, 02:12 PM
Great news Cho i am delighted for you as i could imagine for a while there you thought about trading the Lex in for a pushbike. Good on you and i hope you get it on the road soon mate
Chris.S
Jan 4 2008, 02:52 PM
If the engine lights came on then the factory ecu should store info regarding that, when mine blew there was no warning lights so there was never any electronic data to say why
Scorps01
Jan 4 2008, 03:41 PM
Best of luck Cho.
Unregistered_User
Jan 4 2008, 06:34 PM
Indeed, all the best - keep us well posted
Jamie
i see that cho did not publish the full email... only a sected section of it..... tdi have offered him a free block also.
Gord
Jan 4 2008, 06:48 PM
Good news Cho, keep us up to date, if you need any help just pm me
B15RUP
Jan 4 2008, 07:09 PM
I have been following this thread and am really sorry to hear what has happened, I hope you get this replacement engine in and get to the root of this as we all know money doesnt doesn't grow on trees.
Gord
Jan 4 2008, 07:13 PM
QUOTE(Rob @ Jan 4 2008, 06:45 PM)
i see that cho did not publish the full email... only a sected section of it..... tdi have offered him a free block also.
Thats very good of Mark + tdi team
i wonder what the cost is for uprated engine at cost ??
His last Quote was somewhere near 10k for the uprated is200 engine
Kazi
Jan 4 2008, 08:03 PM
Shame about the car mate, just been reading the saga...
Best of luck getting it sorted! Fingers crossed you have a better second 'Tuned' experience!
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