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IS200SEJASON
Blimey........ unsure.gif I'm going to ignore the debate on whatever and whatever... and say well done m8 you have obviously onvested a lot of time and money in to this project for results your happy with!! and at the end of the day that's all that matters msn-wink.gif
sparkystav
The car looks seems great mate and some impressive figures fella,

Can i ask what the extra line is on one of the Dyno graphs though?

Stav
Steviewevie
How did Red Dot manage to keep the car in the same gear, if the previous people couldn't do it ? Genuine question by the way, trying to keep out of the argument !
Rob's Lexx
congrats on the install mate. you must and should be chuffed with it.

I can understand why people ask regarding the auto slipping down in gears, but maybe something to consider is (although i may be completely wrong so shoot me down if needs be) that both runs done on the same rolling road will cause the same issues both before and after supercharging?? If so, are the two figures not equally comparable?? Or is it just a case of the accuracy can fluctuate so much that each value in itself is deemed un reliable, even if considered across the board??

either way mate, you must notice a big difference and a smile across the face everytime you drive the car biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

can i ask one more thing, how come you decided to go s/c route instead of turbo fella??
DJ Wozza
I took hime for a spin in mine Rob msn-wink.gif
B15RUP
QUOTE(sparkystav @ Sep 9 2008, 10:32 PM) *
The car looks seems great mate and some impressive figures fella,

Can i ask what the extra line is on one of the Dyno graphs though?

Stav


Hey Stav, the line you are referring to relates to the fuelling.


QUOTE(Steviewevie @ Sep 10 2008, 08:32 AM) *
How did Red Dot manage to keep the car in the same gear, if the previous people couldn't do it ? Genuine question by the way, trying to keep out of the argument !


My car was dynoed at Red Dot before any work was carried out, then it was mapped at millway where the map was successful but achieving a dyno result was not and I posted this earlier in the thread. The CEL gremlin was identified and rectified hence me going back to Red Dot. I raised the issue of the autobox trying to kick back into 3rd gear but the tester did not experience any problems with the power runs.

I am not disputing that there may be a problem with obtaining a dyno result from an autobox but Red Dot did not experience any problems with the runs both before and after. I have video footage though it was taken from my mobile of the runs and will try and upload them soon.

The kit fitted to my car was a bolt-on and was installed by a nominated installer recommended by the importer so to validate the warranty that comes with the blower. With these types of kit there is always room for improvement and further modifying msn-wink.gif, being part of communities like LOC is so that you can post achievements and fellow members can support and suggest improvements, but all you get from certain members is jealousy and I can now understand why other members do not post results whistling.gif

QUOTE(Rob's Lexx @ Sep 10 2008, 09:46 AM) *
congrats on the install mate. you must and should be chuffed with it.

I can understand why people ask regarding the auto slipping down in gears, but maybe something to consider is (although i may be completely wrong so shoot me down if needs be) that both runs done on the same rolling road will cause the same issues both before and after supercharging?? If so, are the two figures not equally comparable?? Or is it just a case of the accuracy can fluctuate so much that each value in itself is deemed un reliable, even if considered across the board??

either way mate, you must notice a big difference and a smile across the face everytime you drive the car biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

can i ask one more thing, how come you decided to go s/c route instead of turbo fella??


Thank you Rob! biggrin.gif Please read above. Yes, there has been a great improvement and you can feel it when driving the car. I am happy with the results that have been achieved and believe that they are comparable. Wanting more power now! laugh.gif

Wozza did take me out for a spin in his IS and I noticed the difference as I prior to the IS300 I had an IS200. Through my research and numerous conversations, fellow LOC'ers included the Vortech S/C application was decided. Because, I wouldn't be the guinea pig car, I could have the car back within a 7-10 days, the kit had proven to be successful in the states and the customer support/ technical here in the UK was excellent. The majority of the american IS300 owners prefer to turbo but they do have a lot of support and expertise with the IS300 over there i.e. SRT, turbo east etc when compared to the UK and they have manual IS300's too, so S/C was the way forward.
DJ Wozza
Up for a mini-meet tonight ? I wanna come for a run biggrin.gif
B15RUP
QUOTE(Kazi @ Sep 9 2008, 08:29 PM) *
Nice one mate. Some nice nice gains their. Best thing is knowing that peeps just arent expecting that sort of power at traffic lights etc. Top work dude! Congratulations!

Spot on! msn-wink.gif

QUOTE(Y2Kanjar @ Sep 9 2008, 10:11 PM) *
Now this sounds like its going to go south...


i wanna ride in your is300 ...plz

Defo at the next meet fella!

QUOTE(DJ Wozza @ Sep 10 2008, 01:14 PM) *
Up for a mini-meet tonight ? I wanna come for a run biggrin.gif

What time tonight Woz?
Y2Kanjar
QUOTE(DJ Wozza @ Sep 10 2008, 01:14 PM) *
Up for a mini-meet tonight ? I wanna come for a run biggrin.gif



surely not a run.........lol

where are we meeting tonight
DJ Wozza
QUOTE(Y2Kanjar @ Sep 10 2008, 01:25 PM) *
surely not a run.........lol

yes, a run up & down the road... u wanna come out to play Y2 ?
Y2Kanjar
YES YES YES

Please can i come out to play
DJ Wozza
QUOTE(Y2Kanjar @ Sep 10 2008, 02:01 PM) *
YES YES YES

Please can i come out to play

well answer your mobile then !!
DJ Wozza
I'm posting cos Y2 can't answer his phone for some reason wacko.gif

Ace Cafe @ 9pm, anyone else wanna come ?
Y2Kanjar
sorry my phone was zzzz

i'll be there with out a question...
Steviewevie
Well, some of us had a ride in the beast tonight.

ohmy.gif w00t.gif

I'm lost for words ... biggrin.gif
DJ Wozza
Proper rapid, handles well & stops well too, well done Rup biggrin.gif
Steviewevie
Now that I've had a chance to recover from the experience laugh.gif , big thanks to Rup for the ride, and congratulations on what you've got there, awesome ! biggrin.gif
Y2Kanjar
.... yeah just a little more power is needed...NOT

Things a f'n Beast, ****** of a shovel, and the man knows how to handle a car...

I take my hat off to you dude....

so what are your next plans....
Parthiban
Damn wish I could've made it now, sounds like quite a beast! cry.gif

Well done for carrying this through, and taking the risk of something that hasn't really been done before over here smile.gif
B15RUP
Thank you all for your comments, they are very much appreciated! biggrin.gif

It's great you all enjoyed the blasts up the road! msn-wink.gif

Next, let me see now........ whistling.gif

Only kidding, definitely got to fit the gauges that I have had sitting at home since April ohmy.gif A/T fluid to be replaced and a cooler.

I will keep you up to date.
Dan_Harris
Saw it in the flesh, was an absolute beast biggrin.gif

Big thanks to the guys wozza,stevie, rup and Y2 for helping me with the HID install was surprising how easy it was (guess i was just looking to complicate matters tongue.gif) Can't believe how bright they are, someone decided to shut off part of the A40 so had to do a bit of a reroute lol
Steviewevie
Here's a pic of the engine bay from last night :

B15RUP
As a result of the mini-meet last night and the comments you guys have made, I have decided to go with THE BEAST! msn-wink.gif megangry.gif
chrisis200
QUOTE(Steviewevie @ Sep 11 2008, 01:14 PM) *
Here's a pic of the engine bay from last night :



Looks nice an tidy in there biggrin.gif

Also I agree with some of your previous comments B15RUP, if I was to upgrade the power in car I'd ideally want on something I know will work/bolt on with ease. An can be done in a short time as I only have one car an i'd need it back for work... I'd love a turbo but building it myself would never be an option as I know nothing about cars in that depth, an even the garages that do them often will take a while to get it right and some serious pennys ..These kits are simple & effective will have to attend one time to see it in the flesh tongue.gif

Good of you to share your project so thanks smile.gif
Y2Kanjar
QUOTE(B15RUP @ Sep 11 2008, 06:04 PM) *
I have decided to go with THE BEAST!



TB.....


you sure lol i know it's a killer but an't that going to far whistling.gif
Steviewevie
QUOTE(B15RUP @ Sep 11 2008, 11:23 AM) *
It's great you all enjoyed the blasts up the road! msn-wink.gif

"Blast" as in a rocket taking off ? Quite a good analogy, I think ! biggrin.gif
B15RUP
I think I may stay with The Beast, as who knows I may want more power...... ohmy.gif whistling.gif
LexusIS200Sam
love it! biggrin.gif bet it feels good to think its the only one of its kind in the uk wink.gif
Kazi
QUOTE(LexusIS200Sam @ Sep 12 2008, 04:53 PM) *
love it! biggrin.gif bet it feels good to think its the only one of its kind in the uk wink.gif



Not like them IS200 turbos... common as muck they are!!! laugh.gif
Dan_Harris
QUOTE(Kazi @ Sep 12 2008, 06:30 PM) *
QUOTE(LexusIS200Sam @ Sep 12 2008, 04:53 PM) *
love it! biggrin.gif bet it feels good to think its the only one of its kind in the uk wink.gif



Not like them IS200 turbos... common as muck they are!!! laugh.gif

That's fighting talk tongue.gif
LexusIS200Sam
QUOTE(Dan_Harris @ Sep 12 2008, 06:36 PM) *
QUOTE(Kazi @ Sep 12 2008, 06:30 PM) *
QUOTE(LexusIS200Sam @ Sep 12 2008, 04:53 PM) *
love it! biggrin.gif bet it feels good to think its the only one of its kind in the uk wink.gif



Not like them IS200 turbos... common as muck they are!!! laugh.gif

That's fighting talk tongue.gif


haha, handbags at dawn whistling.gif shifty.gif
B15RUP
Don't forget the straighteners! laugh.gif
ProLex-UK
QUOTE(B15RUP @ Sep 9 2008, 09:57 PM) *
QUOTE(ProLex-UK @ Sep 9 2008, 09:31 PM) *
QUOTE(B15RUP @ Sep 9 2008, 08:43 PM) *
Even though I have never met you in person, are you feeling alright?!! tongue.gif

There were two power runs carried out with a couple of hp difference between them. The manufacturer claim the kit will push to in the region of 305HP and they have both A/T and M/T in the states.... I have had the CAT removed too, so the power achieved adds up. whistling.gif

I have some info regarding the auto-box that I researched, will try find it. The main thing is that it has been achieved here in the UK, the car is complete, is back on the road and it gives fellow IS300 owners an insight of what could be achieved if they consider the supercharger kit themselves. biggrin.gif

I'm fine thank you.

Fact is the IS300 auto gearbox is not capable of an accurate dyno as it can't be held in a particular gear to enable accurate readings to be taken.

Manual is300 no problem...........pre 98 Soop no prob auto IS300 no way

IS300 auto will not work end of............. ok, whatever you say

I'll also say that driven with any sort of ooooopmhh your car will go pop soon as you need more fuel and uprated rods/pistons as the 2jz-fe is like the 1jz-ge in rod/piston configuration. It is running 7-8 psi which is safe and even you have stated that in this club.

GTE with toyota means uprated rods (H shaped and proper low compression ratio pistons) FE means fuel economy so hign compression for fuel economy......adding boost will fook this up.............

I did tell you this when you were deciding wether to go for turbo or s/c a while ago. I was still waiting on the proposed supercharger info you were going to obtain from Lysolm and the completed IS200 utilising a Lysholm charger, it was all talk and no results.

Can you publish the AFR ratios you are running ? The car has been tuned by a very affluent tuner from the Toyota industry.

For what its worth the installation on your car could well have been done by Steptoe & Son. The air filter location is a joke as is the ecu location...but hey ho you pays your money & you take your choice.

The location of the air filter and ecu location has nothing to do with the fitter as its supplied from Vortech like that and there is always room for improvement. Have you ever completed a turboed or supercharged IS300 that was put back on the road 100% complete? NO

I hope you enjoy many miles of trouble free motoring but will say to any IS300 owners looking to follow you to undertake vigorous due diligence before parting with any money I am sure i will.


Why can you not congratulate/support members? Is it because your S/C IS300 went tits up you have to try and put down what I have achieved. You do not know everything and there are sources that know alot more than you with particular reference to the IS300.

I am sure we will meet one day.



Just seen this.

"My" IS300 project stopped because the customer could not pay his bill........... period.

The Lysholm IS200 s/c project is in a weird in as much as the customer has paid for the s/c which is at Glossop waiting for the customer to contact me to continue the install. No car no install and its his property not mine so all i do is send emails to the guy and wait for him to drop his car off....I can't even give him his money back as I cant get his bank details....there you go.

I stand by what I say about the standard of finish of your conversion when I say it at the WIM open day. My comments made publically is what members who know about conversions etc also said when we looked at it. Compare it to Dave Reads car............no contest.

I also stand by the comments made on the fact that you cant get a acurate dyno reading from an IS300 auto

I also say you should check you AFR ratios as the fuelling on your car is, in all prabability, not correct and very soon you will be looking for a new 2JZ-GE unit if you drive the car agressively.

By no manner of means do I state anywhere I know everything about the IS300 or any other matter. I do however try to steer customers in the right direction based on my own limited knowledge and not soley by looking for a sale.

My principle grievance with what you are saying is someone naive enough may take what you are saying at face value............do what you have done and end up with a engine/gearbox blow up.

My comments give them the chance to seek other opinions and make a judgement based on that.

Final point "my" IS300 conversion used the 2JZ-GTE block for longevity based on evidence from 2 of the top tuners in America who advocate 2JZ-GTE block swaps for people wanting reliable power from the IS300
B15RUP
Dave (Prolex-UK) this aimed at you!

If I had a bottom less pit of money and could have been without my car for a considerable amount of time I would not have considered the supercharger or a turbo kit I would have gone straight to a 2jz-gte conversion just like the monster!

If you and your so called knowledgeable members were so concerned about the "superchager kit" installed to my IS300, why did you fail to raise your concerns with me in person at the WIM open day? We are all members of the "Lexus Owners Club" are we not?????

But you chose to hide behind a computer and make your comments through a forum, PATHETIC!

Dave Reads car, Little Monster. Is that the IS200 that was worked upon by TDi-plc the company that you are always slagging off?!

As far I am concerned your IS300 conversion was never completed, as I recall earlier on this year it was you who confirmed to me that I would be the 1st person in the UK to supercharge an IS300, so why the change of heart all of a sudden? Let me answer that, its because I didn't choose to go with you for my conversion, thats why!

Monster-Mat
wow...as usual, some peoples views mask there ability to be happy for a fellow members achivement.

ok a few points....

QUOTE
Final point "my" IS300 conversion used the 2JZ-GTE block for longevity based on evidence from 2 of the top tuners in America who advocate 2JZ-GTE block swaps for people wanting reliable power from the IS300



poppycock...

the 2jz blocks are identical, only difference is oil squirters on the gte block for under the piston skirts, so you have been basing your ideas on misinformation,...not evidence
(only real reason to change to a GTE ENGINE, is everything is there for a swap...oil tappings for oil feed and drain, and the pistons are already Low compression that are installed)

QUOTE
I stand by what I say about the standard of finish of your conversion when I say it at the WIM open day. My comments made publically is what members who know about conversions etc also said when we looked at it.


considering this was an out of the box conversion, there really isnt more you can do, its bolt on...simple as that, only thing i would change is the air filter location, but Roop knows thats my view

QUOTE
Compare it to Dave Reads car............no contest.


its not a contest, and its nice to see for a change you complimenting daves car,

QUOTE
My principle grievance with what you are saying is someone naive enough may take what you are saying at face value............do what you have done and end up with a engine/gearbox blow up.


dave, i dont see why you should have a grievance with Roop, or his car.This may be the first supercharged is300 in the Uk using this supercharger, but it is not the only one been done, there have been many more of these kits fitted to is300's in the US, also fitted to the gs300, and the sc300,...i would say on that evidence, the kit, is not the bag of nails your trying to insinuate...and without fact

..you have had issues with a previous customers car, which as far as i am aware, is not resolved...are people to Judge your business on the outcome of that .......

based on the fact that Roops car is working fine, he is happy with it, its not your position to drag his efforts or the efforts of a good company down, for no reason...based on no factual evidence
Monster-Mat
QUOTE
Fact is the IS300 auto gearbox is not capable of an accurate dyno as it can't be held in a particular gear to enable accurate readings to be taken


true, the is300, and gs300...etc etc, cannot hold a gear to obtain an accurate reading

QUOTE
I'll also say that driven with any sort of ooooopmhh your car will go pop soon


and why is that, its running a piggyback ecu designed to run with the is300, on this car with the matched supercharger

QUOTE
as the 2jz-fe is like the 1jz-ge in rod/piston configuration.


all engines use the same rod/piston configuration, ...well ...ok, not Rotary engines (what has the 2jz-fe got to do with it...?)
Monster-Mat
QUOTE
GTE with toyota means uprated rods (H shaped and proper low compression ratio pistons) FE means fuel economy so hign compression for fuel economy......adding boost will fook this up.............


fishtits....GTE does not mean uprated H rods, and low compression pistons

G wide angle valve head
T Turbocharged
E Electronic fuel injection

and

G
wide angle valve head
E Electronic fuel injection

2 being the block generation
JZ Engine family

as a side not the is200 being 1G-FE is...

1 Block generation
G Engine family

F Narrow valve head
E Electronic fuel injection

so technically you could re-designate a Supercharged is200 engine as

1g-FZE

and roops engine would be re-designated a

2JZ- GZE....

Z being the designator for Supercharged.... msn-wink.gif
  1. The first numeric characters specify the engine block's generation
  2. The next one or two letters specify the engine family
  3. The suffix (separated by a dash) specifies the features of the engine:
the is300 engine in std form is a GE

the rods on the 2JZ engines are identical, however the rods on the VVTI GTE engines are, indeed thinner!!.... both GTE and GE use the same crank, bearings only big difference is the pistons, and the fact the gte block is fitted with oil squirters to cool the underside of the piston skirt.

adding boost hasnt fooked up all the other hundreds of boosted GE...engines

QUOTE
For what its worth the installation on your car could well have been done by Steptoe & Son.


BANG OUT OF ORDER

QUOTE
The air filter location is a joke


i agree

QUOTE
.but hey ho you pays your money & you take your choice.


again your out of order.....Roop had a choice, and as far as i am aware, Prolex was one of his choices, he chose to go elsewhere


QUOTE
but will say to any IS300 owners looking to follow you to undertake vigorous due diligence before parting with any money


i agree, ....is300 owners should consider the company that has done Roops car, That company, was the authorised fitting agent in Europe for the Supercharger , and as they have a Registered Business premises, you can visit and see other cars to compare the work on, the proof is in the pudding.!!

Dave, i think you have been utterly unfair is your comments, ........is this sour grapes because he didnt come to you, this is how it is coming across, shielded by loose tech talk and inaccurate facts

if you are going to post, stating FACT and EVIDENCE ensure it is FACT and EVIDENCE!!!,
Steviewevie
The air filter thing is a bit of a non-issue. Rup has already said earlier in this thread that he knows it's not in an ideal location, but he just went with the out-of-the-box kit for warranty reasons and simplicity. There's plenty of opportunity for him later to move it to a better place. As it is, the beast goes rather well even with the filter in the "wrong" place ! biggrin.gif

Y2Kanjar
Interesting read
Rolex
wow thats was a lot of information......really interesting

Cudos
B15RUP
I do like the sound of 2JZ-GZE mat tongue.gif msn-wink.gif

As Stevie posted earlier in this thread can the before and after HP figures not be comparable as they were carried out on the same rolling road?
aztecbandit1
Quite looking forward to seeing your "BEAST" again now mate biggrin.gif Glad its sorted out and your happy with the results, which after reading all the above is all that matters in the end? biggrin.gif So whats next matey?? biggrin.gif
B15RUP
QUOTE(aztecbandit1 @ Sep 20 2008, 12:22 PM) *
Quite looking forward to seeing your "BEAST" again now mate biggrin.gif Glad its sorted out and your happy with the results, which after reading all the above is all that matters in the end? biggrin.gif So whats next matey?? biggrin.gif


If the weather holds out I will be fitting my gauges on Saturday, if it doesn't then I may use the in-laws garage but they don't know that yet laugh.gif
aztecbandit1
QUOTE(B15RUP @ Oct 3 2008, 06:34 PM) *
QUOTE(aztecbandit1 @ Sep 20 2008, 12:22 PM) *
Quite looking forward to seeing your "BEAST" again now mate biggrin.gif Glad its sorted out and your happy with the results, which after reading all the above is all that matters in the end? biggrin.gif So whats next matey?? biggrin.gif


If the weather holds out I will be fitting my gauges on Saturday, if it doesn't then I may use the in-laws garage but they don't know that yet laugh.gif


Good man, i like reading the updates on projects on site and think its good to keep them moving now and again biggrin.gif Look forward to seeing it again sometime matey biggrin.gif
MeMo
Well done mate, top job they have done there...smile.gif can not wait to see it.
B15RUP
Its a been a while, as some of you now I have the 18" styling kit alloys but I fancied a change for the interim.

Below is a pic of The Beast back on its 19"s whilst the 18"s were re-furbed

Click to view attachment



The alloy look I have gone for until I decide what alloys I want after the BBK is fitted whistling.gif

Click to view attachment

What do you all think? biggrin.gif
DJ Wozza
I like them both Rup, but if I had to pick, the 19's would get my vote.
B15RUP
QUOTE(DJ Wozza @ Oct 21 2008, 09:22 PM) *
I like them both Rup, but if I had to pick, the 19's would get my vote.


Hey Wozza, the 19"s were only put back on whilst the 18"s were being re-furbed. I have my eyes on another set of rims. The 19"s have to be spaced 6mm to clear the front calipers and the hub bolts are not long enough and don't want to change them until I have fitted my BBK and finally decided on my new rims.
iceman67
hi rup its looking good now m8
Dan_Harris
prefer the anthracite look on a black car, similar to another one i've seen somewhere tongue.gif looking good roop see you tomorow hopefully biggrin.gif
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