Hi All,
My Toyota Aristo JZS161 2JZGTE vvti is waiting to be tuned and has had the EMU installed, we had some base problems which seem to be sorted but my tuner said that the car will not run if you put ignition through it but will run without it?
I was wondering whether the problem would be having to get an Ignition Signal Adaptor (i dont know whether this is required on the 2JZGTE vvti?) or do you think its some other problem?
As i said everything else is set up ok but its the problem with the ignition. I really hope someone can help me with this issue or point me in the right direction, many thanks in advance
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Hi,
Why do you want the e-mange fitted ?
Its not required until you change the factory turbos.
My car has done 15000 miles with boost upgrade to 1.2 bar all I've done is have a bigger fuel pump fitted...my spec is HKS RS ind kit/V spec FMIC/uprated fuel pump/HKS EVC set to 1.2 bar
I've spoken to Steve about your problems............for what its worth you need to be speaking to the company in warrington who did some work for you.
Why do you want the e-mange fitted ?
Its not required until you change the factory turbos.
My car has done 15000 miles with boost upgrade to 1.2 bar all I've done is have a bigger fuel pump fitted...my spec is HKS RS ind kit/V spec FMIC/uprated fuel pump/HKS EVC set to 1.2 bar
I've spoken to Steve about your problems............for what its worth you need to be speaking to the company in warrington who did some work for you.
[quote name='ProLex-UK' post='562566' date='Jul 14 2008, 06:09 PM']Hi,
Why do you want the e-mange fitted ?
Its not required until you change the factory turbos.
My car has done 15000 miles with boost upgrade to 1.2 bar all I've done is have a bigger fuel pump fitted...my spec is HKS RS ind kit/V spec FMIC/uprated fuel pump/HKS EVC set to 1.2 bar
I've spoken to Steve about your problems............for what its worth you need to be speaking to the company in warrington who did some work for you.[/quote]
Hi Dave,
I had problems with the Greddy BCC and want to up the rev limit, sort out fueling etc so i went for the Emanage.
The company in Warrington......hmm.....TDI North didnt look like they knew what they were doing, i had all the mods done for BPU as you know and then took it there to be tuned dynoed and i had no result, money was wasted.
I'm still hoping the Emanage will be running the car soon, i'm trying to get info on getting it working, we had some problems but guys off the Supra forums gave me a bit of an insight, lets see what happens
Why do you want the e-mange fitted ?
Its not required until you change the factory turbos.
My car has done 15000 miles with boost upgrade to 1.2 bar all I've done is have a bigger fuel pump fitted...my spec is HKS RS ind kit/V spec FMIC/uprated fuel pump/HKS EVC set to 1.2 bar
I've spoken to Steve about your problems............for what its worth you need to be speaking to the company in warrington who did some work for you.[/quote]
Hi Dave,
I had problems with the Greddy BCC and want to up the rev limit, sort out fueling etc so i went for the Emanage.
The company in Warrington......hmm.....TDI North didnt look like they knew what they were doing, i had all the mods done for BPU as you know and then took it there to be tuned dynoed and i had no result, money was wasted.
I'm still hoping the Emanage will be running the car soon, i'm trying to get info on getting it working, we had some problems but guys off the Supra forums gave me a bit of an insight, lets see what happens
Any update? 
Just to put my two pence worth in.
I've been doing tons of research on the ultimate as i've installed it myself on my IS200. If you look on the Supra forums i seem to remember there is problems with installing the Ignition setup on the 2JZGTE vvti. you need to put resistors on the wires or something to get it right.
If you search round the Supra fourms i'm sure all will be revealed.
Also if you dont have the ignition wires on you cant use launch control or no-lift-off shift features.
Stav
I've been doing tons of research on the ultimate as i've installed it myself on my IS200. If you look on the Supra forums i seem to remember there is problems with installing the Ignition setup on the 2JZGTE vvti. you need to put resistors on the wires or something to get it right.
If you search round the Supra fourms i'm sure all will be revealed.
Also if you dont have the ignition wires on you cant use launch control or no-lift-off shift features.
Stav
Just anther point, has your tuner got the jumper for the ignition voltage at 12v?
the settings are 12v and 5v, and while the signal may well indeed be 5v to the coils, its recommended that you should put it on 12v regardless.
I had the same problem on mine, i measured the voltage from the ignitier and its 5v's but setting the jumper to the 5v setting it just wouldnt work, switched it to the 12v jumper setting and she fired straight up. Later found on the internet a tuner recommending that no matter what the car 12v is the setting it should be on. After all, it doesnt change an outplut voltage to your ignitiers or anything so wont break them its just a limit for the emanage.
Try it, it might well work. ITs jumper 8 by the way. needs to be at setting 2-3 rather an 1-2.
Stav
the settings are 12v and 5v, and while the signal may well indeed be 5v to the coils, its recommended that you should put it on 12v regardless.
I had the same problem on mine, i measured the voltage from the ignitier and its 5v's but setting the jumper to the 5v setting it just wouldnt work, switched it to the 12v jumper setting and she fired straight up. Later found on the internet a tuner recommending that no matter what the car 12v is the setting it should be on. After all, it doesnt change an outplut voltage to your ignitiers or anything so wont break them its just a limit for the emanage.
Try it, it might well work. ITs jumper 8 by the way. needs to be at setting 2-3 rather an 1-2.
Stav
problem with the greddy is it takes the OEM ecu siganls then does its own thing with them.............HKS et al dont (which is why they are more money
Vazoosh - any update? Is your car running right now?
Anees,
just seen his thread on Mkiv supra asking the same question he gave an update on there today:
[quote]Hey, only just found out what we had to do to sort out the ignition problem.
Basically you have to set the jumper for the ignition voltage at 12v even though it is recommended to set it at 5V.
It is jumper 8.[/quote]
So basically what i told him two months ago!
just seen his thread on Mkiv supra asking the same question he gave an update on there today:
[quote]Hey, only just found out what we had to do to sort out the ignition problem.
Basically you have to set the jumper for the ignition voltage at 12v even though it is recommended to set it at 5V.
It is jumper 8.[/quote]
So basically what i told him two months ago!
LOL......... look like you were right Stav 
[quote name='sparkystav' post='589819' date='Oct 5 2008, 03:42 PM']Anees,
just seen his thread on Mkiv supra asking the same question he gave an update on there today:
[quote]Hey, only just found out what we had to do to sort out the ignition problem.
Basically you have to set the jumper for the ignition voltage at 12v even though it is recommended to set it at 5V.
It is jumper 8.[/quote]
So basically what i told him two months ago!
[/quote]
Lol, you did tell me but i dont think i came back to this thread as i was getting no answers, i didnt get any over at the supra forums either but found out about the problem after it had come back from the tuners
Sparky, looks like i'll be directing the EMU queries at you next time!!
just seen his thread on Mkiv supra asking the same question he gave an update on there today:
[quote]Hey, only just found out what we had to do to sort out the ignition problem.
Basically you have to set the jumper for the ignition voltage at 12v even though it is recommended to set it at 5V.
It is jumper 8.[/quote]
So basically what i told him two months ago!
[/quote]
Lol, you did tell me but i dont think i came back to this thread as i was getting no answers, i didnt get any over at the supra forums either but found out about the problem after it had come back from the tuners
Sparky, looks like i'll be directing the EMU queries at you next time!!
[quote name='Anees' post='582896' date='Sep 15 2008, 11:23 AM']Vazoosh - any update? Is your car running right now? [/quote]
Not fully Anees, need to get a lambda sensor then back to the tuners!!!!
[/quote]Not fully Anees, need to get a lambda sensor then back to the tuners!!!!
Well i'll do my best to help, but everything i know is what i've learnt off the net plus trial and error
[quote name='sparkystav' post='590065' date='Oct 6 2008, 12:38 PM']Well i'll do my best to help, but everything i know is what i've learnt off the net plus trial and error[/quote]
Yeah and thats the way we learn, cant just know it can we?lol
Yeah and thats the way we learn, cant just know it can we?lol
Glad thing are heading in the right direction Vazoosh! Its a shame their isn't really a lot of activity on the Aristo section on LOC 
Its a shame their isn't really a lot of activity on the Aristo section on LOC
[quote name='Anees' post='590071' date='Oct 6 2008, 12:59 PM']Glad thing are heading in the right direction Vazoosh! Its a shame their isn't really a lot of activity on the Aristo section on LOC [/quote]
I'm getting their slowly but surely!car is running better now
Yeah,its getting dead in here,we'll try to keep it alive!
Its a shame their isn't really a lot of activity on the Aristo section on LOC [/quote]I'm getting their slowly but surely!car is running better now
Yeah,its getting dead in here,we'll try to keep it alive!
We had loads of great info when Dave first got his Aristo with lots of pictures and helpful posts, but all those threads seem to have gone now because they were posted on the Prolex-UK forum.
[quote name='Anees' post='590071' date='Oct 6 2008, 12:59 PM']Glad thing are heading in the right direction Vazoosh! Its a shame their isn't really a lot of activity on the Aristo section on LOC [/quote]
That's because there are not that many of them around! Pity. The price you pay for having a rare car in the UK. Lovely cars though, I may have one yet, at some point.
Its a shame their isn't really a lot of activity on the Aristo section on LOC [/quote]That's because there are not that many of them around! Pity. The price you pay for having a rare car in the UK. Lovely cars though, I may have one yet, at some point.
[quote name='Anees' post='590071' date='Oct 6 2008, 12:59 PM']Its a shame their isn't really a lot of activity on the Aristo section on LOC [/quote]
I guess [url="http://www.clubaristo.net"]C l u b Aristo[/url] gets all the traffic now.
[/quote]I guess [url="http://www.clubaristo.net"]C l u b Aristo[/url] gets all the traffic now.
Any updates on this as i've jsut got hold of an ultimate at a verrrrrrrrrrrry good price and i am curious as to what sensors to purchase in addition, whether it is for now or future use. I am assuming a good wideband is a good idea however not too sure about the map and knock sensors
[quote name='legendswraith' post='600834' date='Nov 4 2008, 07:51 PM']Any updates on this as i've jsut got hold of an ultimate at a verrrrrrrrrrrry good price and i am curious as to what sensors to purchase in addition, whether it is for now or future use. I am assuming a good wideband is a good idea however not too sure about the map and knock sensors[/quote]
austin..they are cheap for a reason................unlike motec/aem/hks et al these take the signal from the oem ecu then change it and send it back............the other do it directly so are more efficient............
I'd also say at what stage are you going to fit it ?
mine has v spec FMIC - 3 " straight thru zorst -- 1.2 bar boost -- RSK ind kit -- bigger fuel pump and i'm running on the standard ecu............has run 20k miles like this with 100% reliability............and the car has been used not fannied about like most.............2 nurburgring trips..............1 series of Time attack...... 3 rounds of TSS...... 3 track days
Mr T has a excellent knock sensor fitted for you.............
I'd only suggest changing ecu if you are going big single or twin hybrids.............then you run the risk of breaking the gearbox
austin..they are cheap for a reason................unlike motec/aem/hks et al these take the signal from the oem ecu then change it and send it back............the other do it directly so are more efficient............
I'd also say at what stage are you going to fit it ?
mine has v spec FMIC - 3 " straight thru zorst -- 1.2 bar boost -- RSK ind kit -- bigger fuel pump and i'm running on the standard ecu............has run 20k miles like this with 100% reliability............and the car has been used not fannied about like most.............2 nurburgring trips..............1 series of Time attack...... 3 rounds of TSS...... 3 track days
Mr T has a excellent knock sensor fitted for you.............
I'd only suggest changing ecu if you are going big single or twin hybrids.............then you run the risk of breaking the gearbox
What do you mean updates?
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol
[quote name='sparkystav' post='600845' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:27 PM']What do you mean updates?
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol[/quote]
285 quid for the ultimate one of the reasons i am going for it is thor is about 25 min away from me so the mapping is not a problem. I assumed the knock sensor wasn't needed but wasn't a100% so i thought it best to enquire. Basically the emanage will go in soon to prep ready for a turbo upgrade, if i lay the foundations now it prevents swearing at the car later.
TBH i was very tempted by the fcon v pro but i'm not going to go mad with it (yet) if it has to go that way in the future then i'll consider it then. I'm well aware its a piggyback but i have no need for anything more currently don't want to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. As for the wideband the AEM one is is the one i am looking at
I meant has there been any more news from the emanage install not if it had a firmware update etc lol
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol[/quote]
285 quid for the ultimate
one of the reasons i am going for it is thor is about 25 min away from me so the mapping is not a problem. I assumed the knock sensor wasn't needed but wasn't a100% so i thought it best to enquire. Basically the emanage will go in soon to prep ready for a turbo upgrade, if i lay the foundations now it prevents swearing at the car later.TBH i was very tempted by the fcon v pro but i'm not going to go mad with it (yet) if it has to go that way in the future then i'll consider it then. I'm well aware its a piggyback but i have no need for anything more currently don't want to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. As for the wideband the AEM one is is the one i am looking at
I meant has there been any more news from the emanage install not if it had a firmware update etc lol
[quote name='legendswraith' post='601149' date='Nov 5 2008, 06:02 PM'][quote name='sparkystav' post='600845' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:27 PM']What do you mean updates?
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol[/quote]
285 quid for the ultimate one of the reasons i am going for it is thor is about 25 min away from me so the mapping is not a problem. I assumed the knock sensor wasn't needed but wasn't a100% so i thought it best to enquire. Basically the emanage will go in soon to prep ready for a turbo upgrade, if i lay the foundations now it prevents swearing at the car later.
TBH i was very tempted by the fcon v pro but i'm not going to go mad with it (yet) if it has to go that way in the future then i'll consider it then. I'm well aware its a piggyback but i have no need for anything more currently don't want to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. As for the wideband the AEM one is is the one i am looking at
I meant has there been any more news from the emanage install not if it had a firmware update etc lol
[/quote]
Thors LINK ecu is better than greddy...................also MOTEC............
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol[/quote]
285 quid for the ultimate
one of the reasons i am going for it is thor is about 25 min away from me so the mapping is not a problem. I assumed the knock sensor wasn't needed but wasn't a100% so i thought it best to enquire. Basically the emanage will go in soon to prep ready for a turbo upgrade, if i lay the foundations now it prevents swearing at the car later.TBH i was very tempted by the fcon v pro but i'm not going to go mad with it (yet) if it has to go that way in the future then i'll consider it then. I'm well aware its a piggyback but i have no need for anything more currently don't want to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. As for the wideband the AEM one is is the one i am looking at
I meant has there been any more news from the emanage install not if it had a firmware update etc lol
[/quote]
Thors LINK ecu is better than greddy...................also MOTEC............
[quote name='legendswraith' post='601149' date='Nov 5 2008, 06:02 PM'][quote name='sparkystav' post='600845' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:27 PM']What do you mean updates?
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol[/quote]
285 quid for the ultimate one of the reasons i am going for it is thor is about 25 min away from me so the mapping is not a problem. I assumed the knock sensor wasn't needed but wasn't a100% so i thought it best to enquire. Basically the emanage will go in soon to prep ready for a turbo upgrade, if i lay the foundations now it prevents swearing at the car later.
TBH i was very tempted by the fcon v pro but i'm not going to go mad with it (yet) if it has to go that way in the future then i'll consider it then. I'm well aware its a piggyback but i have no need for anything more currently don't want to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. As for the wideband the AEM one is is the one i am looking at
I meant has there been any more news from the emanage install not if it had a firmware update etc lol
[/quote]
Ah i c, well once he'd put the ignition on the right Voltage i beleive it was all ok.
I assume 285 is for a brand new one?
i got a secondhand one (only a month old though) for £75 lol now thats a bargain.
Thor appear to be good, hope it all goes well.
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol[/quote]
285 quid for the ultimate
one of the reasons i am going for it is thor is about 25 min away from me so the mapping is not a problem. I assumed the knock sensor wasn't needed but wasn't a100% so i thought it best to enquire. Basically the emanage will go in soon to prep ready for a turbo upgrade, if i lay the foundations now it prevents swearing at the car later.TBH i was very tempted by the fcon v pro but i'm not going to go mad with it (yet) if it has to go that way in the future then i'll consider it then. I'm well aware its a piggyback but i have no need for anything more currently don't want to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. As for the wideband the AEM one is is the one i am looking at
I meant has there been any more news from the emanage install not if it had a firmware update etc lol
[/quote]
Ah i c, well once he'd put the ignition on the right Voltage i beleive it was all ok.
I assume 285 is for a brand new one?
i got a secondhand one (only a month old though) for £75 lol now thats a bargain.
Thor appear to be good, hope it all goes well.
[quote name='sparkystav' post='601154' date='Nov 5 2008, 06:08 PM'][quote name='legendswraith' post='601149' date='Nov 5 2008, 06:02 PM'][quote name='sparkystav' post='600845' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:27 PM']What do you mean updates?
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol[/quote]
285 quid for the ultimate one of the reasons i am going for it is thor is about 25 min away from me so the mapping is not a problem. I assumed the knock sensor wasn't needed but wasn't a100% so i thought it best to enquire. Basically the emanage will go in soon to prep ready for a turbo upgrade, if i lay the foundations now it prevents swearing at the car later.
TBH i was very tempted by the fcon v pro but i'm not going to go mad with it (yet) if it has to go that way in the future then i'll consider it then. I'm well aware its a piggyback but i have no need for anything more currently don't want to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. As for the wideband the AEM one is is the one i am looking at
I meant has there been any more news from the emanage install not if it had a firmware update etc lol
[/quote]
Ah i c, well once he'd put the ignition on the right Voltage i beleive it was all ok.
I assume 285 is for a brand new one?
i got a secondhand one (only a month old though) for £75 lol now thats a bargain.
Thor appear to be good, hope it all goes well.
[/quote]
Yes its for a new one but £75 lol now thats a deal. I had read about the ignition voltage problems already and sent an email to Thor about it and they seem pretty clued up. As for other EMS/piggybacks its a question of cost this is a trial of sorts if i like what i get then i'll push more into it
All you need is the emanage and full harness, a MAP sensor and thats it.
Though your right a wideband AFR is a good idea. I recommend the AEM one. (but any wideband with a linear 0-5v output.)
Whats a good price? lol[/quote]
285 quid for the ultimate
one of the reasons i am going for it is thor is about 25 min away from me so the mapping is not a problem. I assumed the knock sensor wasn't needed but wasn't a100% so i thought it best to enquire. Basically the emanage will go in soon to prep ready for a turbo upgrade, if i lay the foundations now it prevents swearing at the car later.TBH i was very tempted by the fcon v pro but i'm not going to go mad with it (yet) if it has to go that way in the future then i'll consider it then. I'm well aware its a piggyback but i have no need for anything more currently don't want to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. As for the wideband the AEM one is is the one i am looking at
I meant has there been any more news from the emanage install not if it had a firmware update etc lol
[/quote]
Ah i c, well once he'd put the ignition on the right Voltage i beleive it was all ok.
I assume 285 is for a brand new one?
i got a secondhand one (only a month old though) for £75 lol now thats a bargain.
Thor appear to be good, hope it all goes well.
[/quote]
Yes its for a new one but £75 lol now thats a deal. I had read about the ignition voltage problems already and sent an email to Thor about it and they seem pretty clued up. As for other EMS/piggybacks its a question of cost this is a trial of sorts if i like what i get then i'll push more into it
Pete and the guys at Thor know a bit or two about these, after all I bought my Aristo off him
If you're there see if the V8 Supra is about, that thing sounds lovely!!
If you're there see if the V8 Supra is about, that thing sounds lovely!!
[quote name='aido' post='601173' date='Nov 5 2008, 07:20 PM']Pete and the guys at Thor know a bit or two about these, after all I bought my Aristo off him
If you're there see if the V8 Supra is about, that thing sounds lovely!![/quote]
so if i mention your name will i get a discount or have to pay double?
If you're there see if the V8 Supra is about, that thing sounds lovely!![/quote]
so if i mention your name will i get a discount or have to pay double?
Haha you'll probaby have to pay extra What you done to yours now then mate?
What you done to yours now then mate?
[quote name='aido' post='601189' date='Nov 5 2008, 07:53 PM']Haha you'll probaby have to pay extra What you done to yours now then mate?[/quote]
my original 147 is no more, its about to be sent to the car park in the sky i now have an v300 with a few odds and sods on it hks fmic, fujitsubu legalis zaust, coilovers all the good stuff but i'm going to uprate the turbo's soon so i wanted a piggyback to handle it when i got there. Its a process of gathering atm prior to the fit and i am trying not to miss anything
What you done to yours now then mate?[/quote]my original 147 is no more, its about to be sent to the car park in the sky i now have an v300 with a few odds and sods on it hks fmic, fujitsubu legalis zaust, coilovers all the good stuff but i'm going to uprate the turbo's soon so i wanted a piggyback to handle it when i got there. Its a process of gathering atm prior to the fit and i am trying not to miss anything
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