Chris.S
Oct 11 2008, 06:24 PM
Happened earlier, possible write off

and the car that pulled in front of me
T7RY B
Oct 11 2008, 06:40 PM
Can't see why it would be a write off? Does'nt look like any pillar damage. Just wing, bonnet , headlamp and front panel.
The Suzuki looks worse off than the Lex!
Depends on what the value of the car is against the parts and labour costs.
Sorry it happened to you though. Good luck with the outcome.
sparkystav
Oct 11 2008, 06:40 PM
Gutted for you mate.
Looks upsetting, hope you swore a bit at him!
CIJ
Oct 11 2008, 06:43 PM
Oooh S*&t that looks bad Chris, could this be bye again to Lexus

feel for you mate!!
aaronabbott
Oct 11 2008, 06:44 PM
sorry to see and hear this mate
redz_UK
Oct 11 2008, 06:52 PM
shouldnt be a write off unless there is some chassis damage..
new bumper, wing bonnet light and a good bodyshop will fix that.. lip looks like it can be saved..
have a good body shop and some of the parts if needed..
spikes
Oct 11 2008, 06:55 PM
gutted for you chris,hope it can be repaired
Rich OB
Oct 11 2008, 07:08 PM
Sad to see, always admired how good your car looked. Hope you can bring it back to that standard. Sorry for you.
MeMo
Oct 11 2008, 07:17 PM
chris.... i feel for you mate, but by the looks of it that can be fixed.... i dont know if you can remember back to when i came of the A2 it cost the ins 7K to fix my car and they did as well
scott2016
Oct 11 2008, 07:19 PM

Gutted mate, hope all goes well and it aint as bad as it looks. Good luck
Kazi
Oct 11 2008, 07:27 PM
Bugger! Looks bad! Least everyone was ok...
Fingers crossed it gets resolved promptly and to a satisfactory outcome! Chin up Chris!
Parthiban
Oct 11 2008, 07:31 PM
That's awful mate, hope there's no injuries. As the others say does look repairable but all depends on the value........hope it gets sorted for you ok
mole
Oct 11 2008, 07:31 PM
Very sorry for you mate.It will be a nice car again very soon.
You must be well pi$$ed off
cameron is200sport
Oct 11 2008, 07:35 PM
QUOTE(mole @ Oct 11 2008, 08:31 PM)

Very sorry for you mate.It will be a nice car again very soon.
You must be well pi$$ed off
know how that feels.mine was not just as bad,you must be well gutted.
Chris.S
Oct 11 2008, 08:18 PM
QUOTE(T7RY B @ Oct 11 2008, 07:40 PM)

Can't see why it would be a write off? Does'nt look like any pillar damage. Just wing, bonnet , headlamp and front panel.
The Suzuki looks worse off than the Lex!
Depends on what the value of the car is against the parts and labour costs.
Sorry it happened to you though. Good luck with the outcome.
inner wing and chassis leg are bent plus rad and tyre
aztecbandit1
Oct 11 2008, 08:25 PM
Chris, Sorry to see that mate and hope your ok and things get sorted out quickly for you.
crazy-dee
Oct 11 2008, 08:39 PM
aouch thats bad.
if you had sold me the car that would have happened
going off the picture - working for an insurance company id pretty much say your on border line for Total loss mate. (sorry to say) i know how these engineers examine cars. its all based on their moods and they do not like modded cars.
its going to be abit of work but
take my advice, before it goes in to the garage. try and return what you can on it to standard.
Chris.S
Oct 11 2008, 08:46 PM
its pretty much standard anyway as many of the late cars came with the skirts already fitted, the front skirt is destroyed so that fell off and theres nothing else really on it
SHAHZ
Oct 11 2008, 09:32 PM
Chris.S
Oct 11 2008, 09:34 PM
to be honest i dont want it back, its never the same after a hard hit
Paradroid
Oct 11 2008, 09:36 PM
Really sorry to see that, yours is a very nice car, I spent ages admiring it when I saw it at the Japan North Show.
SHAHZ
Oct 11 2008, 09:39 PM
QUOTE(Chris.S @ Oct 11 2008, 10:34 PM)

to be honest i dont want it back, its never the same after a hard hit
Totally understand where your coming from mate, no matter how good a job the body shop does, it will never feel the same again
DJ Wozza
Oct 12 2008, 03:04 AM
Very sorry to hear this Chris. I take it you are un-injured ? I hope it get repaired, bt understand what you mean about a big hit.
Don't forget if they do write it off, swap you old roll bars back on and sell your TTE Red ones
Steviewevie
Oct 12 2008, 06:54 AM
Noooooo Chris, major bummer. Hope you are ok, and hope this can be sorted out relatively well for you (whether that's a nice repair, a new car or whatever).
wildybeast
Oct 12 2008, 08:36 AM
understand what u mean about not bieng the same again mate.just a thought and correct me if ime wrong.if it is a write off do you get first refusal to buy the car back at a very cheap price.maybe you could buy it back.source second hand parts and have it sorted.you may have a nice lot of dosh left over to maybe splash out on some goodies for it.did the same thing with a bike years ago and ended up with loads of nice extras on it.cheers m8
dazz32
Oct 12 2008, 08:41 AM
Really feel for you Chris.

hope things get sorted soon mate....atleast no one was injured....
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 09:01 AM
QUOTE(wildybeast @ Oct 12 2008, 09:36 AM)

understand what u mean about not bieng the same again mate.just a thought and correct me if ime wrong.if it is a write off do you get first refusal to buy the car back at a very cheap price.maybe you could buy it back.source second hand parts and have it sorted.you may have a nice lot of dosh left over to maybe splash out on some goodies for it.did the same thing with a bike years ago and ended up with loads of nice extras on it.cheers m8
the way ive been told is that if its written off and because the other guy is at fault (i have 3 independent witnesses, one an off duty copper and the police have said) then because the 3dr party involved is at fault i can buy back the vehicle.
not sure what id do with it if i got the option to buy it back
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 09:05 AM
QUOTE(DJ Wozza @ Oct 12 2008, 04:04 AM)

Very sorry to hear this Chris. I take it you are un-injured ? I hope it get repaired, bt understand what you mean about a big hit.
Don't forget if they do write it off, swap you old roll bars back on and sell your TTE Red ones

ive got bruising to my leg where it hit the door panel and my shoulders etc are stiff
i'll try get them if there's chance to
dazz32
Oct 12 2008, 09:10 AM
QUOTE(Chris.S @ Oct 12 2008, 10:05 AM)

QUOTE(DJ Wozza @ Oct 12 2008, 04:04 AM)

Very sorry to hear this Chris. I take it you are un-injured ? I hope it get repaired, bt understand what you mean about a big hit.
Don't forget if they do write it off, swap you old roll bars back on and sell your TTE Red ones

ive got bruising to my leg where it hit the door panel and my shoulders etc are stiff
i'll try get them if there's chance to
Get to the docs a.s.a.p mate get some compensation..but will need docs report.
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 09:13 AM
im ok, im not going sit up a&e for 8 hours waiting to be seen
whiteman
Oct 12 2008, 09:13 AM
Bad news about the car, tis a shame there are so many crap drivers about.
If it helps when my lex a few months ago hit on the rear wing I thought it would be a right off due to the high labour involved with having to take the rear wing off and window out. Got it sorted, rear wing new bumper, and taillight..
also some geezer has hit it again and lexus quoted £800 for a new door skin...
Hope you get it sorted as it is a nice motor.
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 09:21 AM
Well my estimation is
Bonnet and hinges
n/s wing and inner wing
n/s chassis leg
n/s headlamp
n/s foglamp
complete front panel
radiator
bumper assembly
n/s headlamp washer assembly
possible aircon radiator and piping
tyre (bumper cut into it)
n/s/f wheel is scrathed
grille
then all the labour and paint and jigging costs
Steviewevie
Oct 12 2008, 10:15 AM
QUOTE(Chris.S @ Oct 12 2008, 10:01 AM)

not sure what id do with it if i got the option to buy it back
Not sure of the full spec of your car, but there might be enough un-damaged bits to make it worthwhile, if you can buy it at a good price. Glad you were not badly hurt.
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 11:25 AM
its just a 2004 SE
Steviewevie
Oct 12 2008, 11:28 AM
QUOTE(Chris.S @ Oct 12 2008, 12:25 PM)

its just a 2004 SE
Yeah, but you've still modded it from that though, haven't you ? Like your exhaust, lowering etc ?
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 11:33 AM
QUOTE(Steviewevie @ Oct 12 2008, 12:28 PM)

QUOTE(Chris.S @ Oct 12 2008, 12:25 PM)

its just a 2004 SE
Yeah, but you've still modded it from that though, haven't you ? Like your exhaust, lowering etc ?
i took the exhaust off for winter and everything else was lexus sourced
Monster-Mat
Oct 12 2008, 11:35 AM
sounds to me like you want it wrote off......
You say it wont be the same after a hit....come on chris its a tap....on the front, yes it will need repairing, but i could have that all done and dusted in a few days.
there is nothing to Jig....and the panel damage is considered light.
if its written off a salvage company will laugh when they buy that u, the damaged metal work, could be off within...yes within 20 mins
new stuff in, within 2 hours, then off to paint....fact!!
cant Mick do it....would have thought so!
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 12:11 PM
going get it recovered tomorrow to a bodyshop n try get a coutesy car as i dont have any transport at the min
the bit that concerns me is the chassis leg is bent
i dont mind if its repaired or written off,
Monster-Mat
Oct 12 2008, 12:18 PM
chassis leg, or inner wing
chassis leg can, be repaired in sections or as a whole, if the leg is damaged at the bulkhead, then, it will need jigging, same aswell if the leg is bent, inwards or outwards.
looking at the pics, i would be very surprised if the chassis leg is damaged, anywhere near seriously, you are aware that the bumper mounts, are separate to the chassis leg, and are designed to be bent, in an accident
however the inner wing is a simple panel replacement, spot welded in, as is the headlight surround, slam panel and radiator support
DJ Wozza
Oct 12 2008, 12:22 PM
Regarding your personall injuries (however slight).
You need to visit your Doctor (GP) within the next day or two to get your injuries assesed by a medical expert,
and entered onto your record. You have been injured and for any pain & discomfort, you are entitled to be
compensated. It may not be a lot in financial terms (due to your description of your injuries) but it is still
well worth doing IMO Chris. I'm not talking about exagerating your injuries or pain & suffering etc, but only
for what you are feeling as a diect result of the accident.
Anees
Oct 12 2008, 12:24 PM
Really sorry to hear that Chris

I do think you are a pefectionist and don't think that you would be happy with a repair. Hopefully you get the outcome you want!
Anees
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 12:31 PM
QUOTE(Monster-Mat @ Oct 12 2008, 01:18 PM)

chassis leg, or inner wing
chassis leg can, be repaired in sections or as a whole, if the leg is damaged at the bulkhead, then, it will need jigging, same aswell if the leg is bent, inwards or outwards.
looking at the pics, i would be very surprised if the chassis leg is damaged, anywhere near seriously, you are aware that the bumper mounts, are separate to the chassis leg, and are designed to be bent, in an accident
however the inner wing is a simple panel replacement, spot welded in, as is the headlight surround, slam panel and radiator support
the inner wing is creased and pushed down near the ecu box and you can see where the seam near to the bonnet hinge has moved back which makes the wing now touch the door
i couldnt really tell how much of the chassis leg is damaged, i could see a crease in it but as you say that may be the bumper mount part. wont know the extent until its stripped i suppose.
aslong as the reapir is a good one i'll be happy,
just wondering what the situation will be when i do come to sell it
Monster-Mat
Oct 12 2008, 12:31 PM
QUOTE(Anees @ Oct 12 2008, 12:24 PM)

Really sorry to hear that Chris
I do think you are a pefectionist and don't think that you would be happy with a repair. Hopefully you get the outcome you want!
Anees

bit of a strange comment, thats doubting any body shops work before its been done.....in which case, id choose another body shop
i never had any accident damage cars brought back because the customer wasn't happy, its all about making sure you follow the manufacturers body repair specifications, and getting the best paintshop you can to get the best finish done.
if its all in house....good, in my garage, i did the repairs, and a paintshop did the paint.
i agree, i hope you get the prfect outcome, but i think its a bit flawed to want a right off....for such minimal damage, and if it is written off, i would buy it back, and still repair it!
Monster-Mat
Oct 12 2008, 12:34 PM
QUOTE(Chris.S @ Oct 12 2008, 12:31 PM)

the inner wing is creased and pushed down near the ecu box and you can see where the seam near to the bonnet hinge has moved back which makes the wing now touch the door
perfectly normal deformation in this type of impact
in regards to what you have to do, only if your asked do you need to say anything, however as this is classed if repaired as a minor bump, the decission is yours.
lets put it this way.
if i was interested in buying your car, i would knowing that the repair was done correctly, and assuming it is, visibly and physically done correct, then i would have an issue with paying the going rate for the age and mileage of the car.
too many people knock money off a car, for simple damage, it isnt like the car will have had full panel repairs, i.e rear quarters, sills, or floor pan, where it is usually hard to effect a perfect weather sealed repair
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 12:34 PM
im just thinking of the long term effect like when i do come to sell it and if it will have any say on if it got sold.
if it is written off then automechanix will buy it and repair it and use it as a loan car.
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 12:35 PM
QUOTE(Monster-Mat @ Oct 12 2008, 01:34 PM)

QUOTE(Chris.S @ Oct 12 2008, 12:31 PM)

the inner wing is creased and pushed down near the ecu box and you can see where the seam near to the bonnet hinge has moved back which makes the wing now touch the door
perfectly normal deformation in this type of impact
repairable then you think Mat ?
Monster-Mat
Oct 12 2008, 12:39 PM
QUOTE(Chris.S @ Oct 12 2008, 12:35 PM)

QUOTE(Monster-Mat @ Oct 12 2008, 01:34 PM)

QUOTE(Chris.S @ Oct 12 2008, 12:31 PM)

the inner wing is creased and pushed down near the ecu box and you can see where the seam near to the bonnet hinge has moved back which makes the wing now touch the door
perfectly normal deformation in this type of impact
repairable then you think Mat ?
yes, perfectly repairable, as i said, i could have it done within 3 days, including paint(if i still had my workshop....alas no longer)
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 12:48 PM
thanks mate
redz_UK
Oct 12 2008, 01:45 PM
i had very simliar damage in a peugeot 306 about 4 years ago..
Didnt bother going through ins at the time as i was at 'fault' due to swerving to miss a crazy dog and took a lampost out!!
I cost me £500 inc all parts and respray. Very good job, excellent colour match and no visible signs of any repair work. This included some light jig work.
If it helps i know where there is a trd lip and front bumper, prepainted in red..
on the other side of the coin.. i was rear ended about 2 years ago by an uninsured driver. tried to settle with him but he decided to try and get out of paying me so after some 'freindly' persuasion which got me knowhere i got the police involved and a soliciotor..
I ended up claiming through the MIB and got £950 for damage and 3.5k for injuries after setteling out of court..
well worth persuing for the discomfort and inconvenience...
Chris.S
Oct 12 2008, 03:06 PM
i may get a new skirt once the car is repaired, i took the exhaust off a few weeks back so think im going to sell that and not put ot back on
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