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There has been quite some debate about this in the UK. It seems nearly half the foreign trucks on our roads do not pass the safety tests required.
MPs making their point, 2 hour debate on LBC a few weeks ago, etcetc...
I have not heard ANYONE however say a word about the 37.5% British trucks not being safe.
As foreign trucks make up a whopping 3.5% of all trucks on our roads, it means 1.7% of trucks on our roads are unsafe and foreign registered and more than 36% of trucks are unsafe and... British...
First of all, it makes a mockery of the entire MOT system. And one does wonder how stupid people are to all go for this "let's nail the foreign lorry-driver"-thing.
Opinions ?
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It makes for good headlines and getting people voting for them simple. Its all about the spin at the end of the day and they will only ever talk about and dicuss in public what they want us to hear and what they want us to know about.
As you say I think they should start at home with all the non Insured/MOT'ed/Tax'ed cars on the road. Attack these people first with stiffer fines and prison.
As you say I think they should start at home with all the non Insured/MOT'ed/Tax'ed cars on the road. Attack these people first with stiffer fines and prison.
[quote name='The Swede' post='706007' date='Jan 21 2010, 12:18 PM'][url="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-urge-crackdown-on-unsafe-foreign-trucks-1776680.html"]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...ks-1776680.html[/url]
I have not heard ANYONE however say a word about the 37.5% British trucks not being safe.
As foreign trucks make up a whopping 3.5% of all trucks on our roads, it means 1.7% of trucks on our roads are unsafe and foreign registered and more than 36% of trucks are unsafe and... British...
First of all, it makes a mockery of the entire MOT system. And one does wonder how stupid people are to all go for this "let's nail the foreign lorry-driver"-thing.
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[size=3][color="#ff0000"]According to the article which you refer to the figures you are quoting above seem somewhat flawed. You state 3.5% of trucks on UK roads are foreign whereas the article states that 80% of trucks on UK roads are foreign. That would imply that around 40% of trucks on UK roads are unsafe AND foreign. Of the remaining 20% which are UK registered 37.5% are unsafe equating to 7.5% of the trucks on UK roads being unsafe AND UK registered.
[/color][color="#ff0000"]These figures are heavily flawed however since they only relate to trucks which were checked and these will normally be as a result of the vehicle being pulled for a specific reason such as looking overweight,badly loaded, being involved in RTA, faulty lights, speeding etc etc. so poorly maintained vehicles are far more likely to be checked. [/color][/size]
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I have not heard ANYONE however say a word about the 37.5% British trucks not being safe.
As foreign trucks make up a whopping 3.5% of all trucks on our roads, it means 1.7% of trucks on our roads are unsafe and foreign registered and more than 36% of trucks are unsafe and... British...
First of all, it makes a mockery of the entire MOT system. And one does wonder how stupid people are to all go for this "let's nail the foreign lorry-driver"-thing.
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[size=3][color="#ff0000"]According to the article which you refer to the figures you are quoting above seem somewhat flawed. You state 3.5% of trucks on UK roads are foreign whereas the article states that 80% of trucks on UK roads are foreign. That would imply that around 40% of trucks on UK roads are unsafe AND foreign. Of the remaining 20% which are UK registered 37.5% are unsafe equating to 7.5% of the trucks on UK roads being unsafe AND UK registered.
[/color][color="#ff0000"]These figures are heavily flawed however since they only relate to trucks which were checked and these will normally be as a result of the vehicle being pulled for a specific reason such as looking overweight,badly loaded, being involved in RTA, faulty lights, speeding etc etc. so poorly maintained vehicles are far more likely to be checked. [/color][/size]
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[quote name='dave1' post='706034' date='Jan 21 2010, 03:42 PM'][size=3][color="#ff0000"]According to the article which you refer to the figures you are quoting above seem somewhat flawed. You state 3.5% of trucks on UK roads are foreign whereas the article states that 80% of trucks on UK roads are foreign. That would imply that around 40% of trucks on UK roads are unsafe AND foreign. Of the remaining 20% which are UK registered 37.5% are unsafe equating to 7.5% of the trucks on UK roads being unsafe AND UK registered.
[/color][color="#ff0000"]These figures are heavily flawed however since they only relate to trucks which were checked and these will normally be as a result of the vehicle being pulled for a specific reason such as looking overweight,badly loaded, being involved in RTA, faulty lights, speeding etc etc. so poorly maintained vehicles are far more likely to be checked. [/color][/size]
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I don't know what the author of the article has been smoking, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that that number of 80% is a 'tad wrong'. Drive around, check the lorries (that is the tractors, not their trailers) and check if 4 out of 5 lorries in England are indeed foreign registered.
I took my numbers from the follow-up article that came in AutoExpress. 3-4% of all lorries driving around on the roads being foreign, sounds fairly plausible.
[/color][color="#ff0000"]These figures are heavily flawed however since they only relate to trucks which were checked and these will normally be as a result of the vehicle being pulled for a specific reason such as looking overweight,badly loaded, being involved in RTA, faulty lights, speeding etc etc. so poorly maintained vehicles are far more likely to be checked. [/color][/size]
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I don't know what the author of the article has been smoking, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that that number of 80% is a 'tad wrong'. Drive around, check the lorries (that is the tractors, not their trailers) and check if 4 out of 5 lorries in England are indeed foreign registered.
I took my numbers from the follow-up article that came in AutoExpress. 3-4% of all lorries driving around on the roads being foreign, sounds fairly plausible.
[quote name='The Swede' post='706068' date='Jan 21 2010, 06:41 PM'][quote name='dave1' post='706034' date='Jan 21 2010, 03:42 PM'][size=3][color="#ff0000"]According to the article which you refer to the figures you are quoting above seem somewhat flawed. You state 3.5% of trucks on UK roads are foreign whereas the article states that 80% of trucks on UK roads are foreign. That would imply that around 40% of trucks on UK roads are unsafe AND foreign. Of the remaining 20% which are UK registered 37.5% are unsafe equating to 7.5% of the trucks on UK roads being unsafe AND UK registered.
[/color][color="#ff0000"]These figures are heavily flawed however since they only relate to trucks which were checked and these will normally be as a result of the vehicle being pulled for a specific reason such as looking overweight,badly loaded, being involved in RTA, faulty lights, speeding etc etc. so poorly maintained vehicles are far more likely to be checked. [/color][/size]
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I don't know what the author of the article has been smoking, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that that number of 80% is a 'tad wrong'. Drive around, check the lorries (that is the tractors, not their trailers) and check if 4 out of 5 lorries in England are indeed foreign registered.
I took my numbers from the follow-up article that came in AutoExpress. 3-4% of all lorries driving around on the roads being foreign, sounds fairly plausible.
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Not checked any figures myself. All I did was took the figures that were given in the article which you provided a link to and assumed that since you put the link then that was the article where you obtained your figures. It might be more useful to use figures from either 1 source or the other not a mix of figures from conflicting articles. There does not appear to be any link to an AutoExpress article either.
[/color][color="#ff0000"]These figures are heavily flawed however since they only relate to trucks which were checked and these will normally be as a result of the vehicle being pulled for a specific reason such as looking overweight,badly loaded, being involved in RTA, faulty lights, speeding etc etc. so poorly maintained vehicles are far more likely to be checked. [/color][/size]
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I don't know what the author of the article has been smoking, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that that number of 80% is a 'tad wrong'. Drive around, check the lorries (that is the tractors, not their trailers) and check if 4 out of 5 lorries in England are indeed foreign registered.
I took my numbers from the follow-up article that came in AutoExpress. 3-4% of all lorries driving around on the roads being foreign, sounds fairly plausible.
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Not checked any figures myself. All I did was took the figures that were given in the article which you provided a link to and assumed that since you put the link then that was the article where you obtained your figures. It might be more useful to use figures from either 1 source or the other not a mix of figures from conflicting articles. There does not appear to be any link to an AutoExpress article either.
[quote name='The Swede' post='706068' date='Jan 21 2010, 06:41 PM'][quote name='dave1' post='706034' date='Jan 21 2010, 03:42 PM'][size=3][color="#ff0000"]According to the article which you refer to the figures you are quoting above seem somewhat flawed. You state 3.5% of trucks on UK roads are foreign whereas the article states that 80% of trucks on UK roads are foreign. That would imply that around 40% of trucks on UK roads are unsafe AND foreign. Of the remaining 20% which are UK registered 37.5% are unsafe equating to 7.5% of the trucks on UK roads being unsafe AND UK registered.
[/color][color="#ff0000"]These figures are heavily flawed however since they only relate to trucks which were checked and these will normally be as a result of the vehicle being pulled for a specific reason such as looking overweight,badly loaded, being involved in RTA, faulty lights, speeding etc etc. so poorly maintained vehicles are far more likely to be checked. [/color][/size]
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I don't know what the author of the article has been smoking, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that that number of 80% is a 'tad wrong'. Drive around, check the lorries (that is the tractors, not their trailers) and check if 4 out of 5 lorries in England are indeed foreign registered.
I took my numbers from the follow-up article that came in AutoExpress. 3-4% of all lorries driving around on the roads being foreign, sounds fairly plausible.
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I have now discovered where The Independant got there figures from and quoted them out of context. It appears that 80% of trucks LEAVING the UK were foreign registered as per the following:
BRITAIN'S ROADS
1.67 million foreign-registered vehicles in UK in 2008, down from record 1.72 million in 2007Foreign-registered vehicles account for more than 80% of heavy goods traffic leaving the UKProhibition rate among Czech HGVs subjected to roadworthiness tests in 2007/8 was more than 60%. Polish and Hungarian vehicles exceeded 50% and Belgian, German and Italian vehicles were more than 40%. The UK rate was 37.5%Defective UK vehicles more likely to be identified, due to targeting of known offenders and the annual testing system[i]
Source: Transport Committee
I think your comments re the UK testing system are unfair. Read the last part of the above to see why UK registered trucks were high. [/i]
[/color][color="#ff0000"]These figures are heavily flawed however since they only relate to trucks which were checked and these will normally be as a result of the vehicle being pulled for a specific reason such as looking overweight,badly loaded, being involved in RTA, faulty lights, speeding etc etc. so poorly maintained vehicles are far more likely to be checked. [/color][/size]
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I don't know what the author of the article has been smoking, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that that number of 80% is a 'tad wrong'. Drive around, check the lorries (that is the tractors, not their trailers) and check if 4 out of 5 lorries in England are indeed foreign registered.
I took my numbers from the follow-up article that came in AutoExpress. 3-4% of all lorries driving around on the roads being foreign, sounds fairly plausible.
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I have now discovered where The Independant got there figures from and quoted them out of context. It appears that 80% of trucks LEAVING the UK were foreign registered as per the following:
BRITAIN'S ROADS
1.67 million foreign-registered vehicles in UK in 2008, down from record 1.72 million in 2007Foreign-registered vehicles account for more than 80% of heavy goods traffic leaving the UKProhibition rate among Czech HGVs subjected to roadworthiness tests in 2007/8 was more than 60%. Polish and Hungarian vehicles exceeded 50% and Belgian, German and Italian vehicles were more than 40%. The UK rate was 37.5%Defective UK vehicles more likely to be identified, due to targeting of known offenders and the annual testing system[i]
Source: Transport Committee
I think your comments re the UK testing system are unfair. Read the last part of the above to see why UK registered trucks were high. [/i]
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