I see another Lexus recall, valve springs thats no 5 min job.

[url="http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Toyota-May-Recall-Up-to-270000-Cars-After-New-Fault-Discovered/Article/201007115657584?lpos=Business_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15657584_Toyota_May_Recall_Up_to_270%2C000_Cars_After_New_Fault_Discovered"]My link[/url]

[quote name='newport' date='01 July 2010 - 10:27 AM' timestamp='1277976476' post='724916']
I see another Lexus recall, valve springs thats no 5 min job.

[url="http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Toyota-May-Recall-Up-to-270000-Cars-After-New-Fault-Discovered/Article/201007115657584?lpos=Business_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15657584_Toyota_May_Recall_Up_to_270%2C000_Cars_After_New_Fault_Discovered"]My link[/url]
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luckily no UK model,s are effected

[quote name='Lomoto' date='02 July 2010 - 09:16 AM' timestamp='1278058572' post='725024']

luckily no UK model,s are effected
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Yes there are - over 3,000 of them! Expect a further announcement and VIN checker on the http://www.lexus.co.uk website early next week.

Some stories seem to suggest this will mainly effect cars built in 2007 and 2008. It certainly doesn't effect new '10 model year cars.

[quote name='wooski' date='02 July 2010 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1278091712' post='725064']
[quote name='Lomoto' date='02 July 2010 - 09:16 AM' timestamp='1278058572' post='725024']
luckily no UK model,s are effected
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Yes there are - over 3,000 of them! Expect a further announcement and VIN checker on the [url="http://www.lexus.co.uk"]http://www.lexus.co.uk[/url] website early next week.

Some stories seem to suggest this will mainly effect cars built in 2007 and 2008. It certainly doesn't effect new '10 model year cars.
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Hopefully it will not affect the IS-F either

[quote name='Tango' date='02 July 2010 - 06:34 PM' timestamp='1278092042' post='725065']
[quote name='wooski' date='02 July 2010 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1278091712' post='725064']
[quote name='Lomoto' date='02 July 2010 - 09:16 AM' timestamp='1278058572' post='725024']
luckily no UK model,s are effected
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Yes there are - over 3,000 of them! Expect a further announcement and VIN checker on the [url="http://www.lexus.co.uk"]http://www.lexus.co.uk[/url] website early next week.

Some stories seem to suggest this will mainly effect cars built in 2007 and 2008. It certainly doesn't effect new '10 model year cars.
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Hopefully it will not affect the IS-F either
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GS450h, GS460, LS460 and LS600h seem to be affected.....Lexus say 3200 UK cars.

The VIN checker is up on www.lexus.co.uk

More detailed explanation here.
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/toyota-issues-u-s-recall-of-139-000-lexus-vehicles-reuters_molt-77bd7005d56f.html?x=0

My car GS450h 2007 is one of the affected and i am extremely annoyed at my engine being stripped,head off,valves out etc.
Do not think this would make me rush out and buy another Lexus.

[quote name='gs450h' date='08 July 2010 - 04:28 PM' timestamp='1278602898' post='725635']
More detailed explanation here.
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/toyota-issues-u-s-recall-of-139-000-lexus-vehicles-reuters_molt-77bd7005d56f.html?x=0

My car GS450h 2007 is one of the affected and i am extremely annoyed at my engine being stripped,head off,valves out etc.
Do not think this would make me rush out and buy another Lexus.
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I'm not bothered about the work being done. What slightly bothers me is that Lexus has known about this issue for over 2 years. I think they've just hoped it would go away yet obviously it hasn't. What I dont quite understand is why this has come to a head now, unless it it just a case of Toyota wanting to get everything out there to start afresh. If you look on the clublexus site there has been quite a few cases of problems with the 4.3 litre V8 in the GS and LS particularly. My car does sometimes have a lumpy idle but drives smoothly otherwise. Better safe than sorry so I'm glad the work is being done.

[quote name='wooski' date='09 July 2010 - 07:18 AM' timestamp='1278659920' post='725711']
[quote name='gs450h' date='08 July 2010 - 04:28 PM' timestamp='1278602898' post='725635']
More detailed explanation here.
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/toyota-issues-u-s-recall-of-139-000-lexus-vehicles-reuters_molt-77bd7005d56f.html?x=0

My car GS450h 2007 is one of the affected and i am extremely annoyed at my engine being stripped,head off,valves out etc.
Do not think this would make me rush out and buy another Lexus.
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I'm not bothered about the work being done. What slightly bothers me is that Lexus has known about this issue for over 2 years. I think they've just hoped it would go away yet obviously it hasn't. What I dont quite understand is why this has come to a head now, unless it it just a case of Toyota wanting to get everything out there to start afresh. If you look on the clublexus site there has been quite a few cases of problems with the 4.3 litre V8 in the GS and LS particularly. My car does sometimes have a lumpy idle but drives smoothly otherwise. Better safe than sorry so I'm glad the work is being done.
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I have had my 07 460SE-L just over two weeks. Would I have bought the car had I known of this problem with valve springs, no! Am I concerned that the engine will need a major strip down after only 25000 miles, yes! Will this affect resale value, very likely! Having just discussed this with a Lexus service manager who told me they have no experience of this level of repair work, the majority of their experience being routine servicing. Do I have confidence in Lexus mechanics having sufficient experience to do this remedial work, no!

How many cars which are currently running perfectly, will go in for remedial work only to be returned to customers with more problems than they went in with?

Lexus are planning to recall all cars worldwide a massive task considering the complexity of the work required. It is claimed that only a very small percentage of cars have been affected, non in the UK, why subject all cars to this expensive and invasive recall.

Why not make a statement to the effect that they will install a new engine to any car suffering engine damage as a result of valve spring failure if and when this occurs. For myself this would be preferable, I do not believe this is a safety issue but one of engine reliability.

Phew!!

Just gingerly typed my VIN in on the Lexus website and it came back all clear. Mine is Gs450h SE-L on a 56 plate.

Mine's subject to the recall Anyone had it done yet? How long without the car?

[quote name='graham8370' date='13 July 2010 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1279020633' post='726182']
Mine's subject to the recall Anyone had it done yet? How long without the car?
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Mine needs to go in, haven’t had the official recall yet but when I rang them ,they told me it would be around a 8 hour job, so they need it over night, not really looking forward to it, I am not confident that mechanics these days have the ability to strip down engines, hopefully I am wrong, its only done 7k and runs as quiet as a mouse, ill probably get it back with a box of bits in the boot that they have left out because they didn’t now were they went. .lol

8 hour job indeed.I have spoken to three of my friends
all mechanics with 100 years experience between them
and they agree on one and a half to two days.
We shall see.
I am definitely not having mine done first.

Dealers are attending a conference on this issue today. Those recalled should be getting letters from Lexus very soon.

[quote name='welly414' date='13 July 2010 - 10:01 AM' timestamp='1279015290' post='726170']
Phew!!

Just gingerly typed my VIN in on the Lexus website and it came back all clear. Mine is Gs450h SE-L on a 56 plate.
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Oh bother, ignore my original post! I had my road tax renewal trough yesterday and thought whilst I had my log book out I would just check my VIN again. I must have misread it from under the windscreen bubble originally.

So it's sit and wait like the rest of you.

GS 450h repairs are estimated to take 7 hours. Technican training has started with the first customer cars upgraded next week.

The V8 engined cars are estimated to take 22 hours as the engine has to come out. These will start beginning of August.

For a fuller explanation of what has gone wrong read here - note though that the VINs listed are for the US!:

[url="http://lexusenthusiast.com/2010/07/08/full-lexus-engine-recall-list/#more-4695"]Lexus Recall on Lexus Enthusiast[/url]

Unfortunately, mine is also due for the recall.

This reads like a much more serious problem than it did when the news first broke.

The car is over 53k miles already. Doesn't the engine have to come apart for the 60k service anyway? Maybe the dealer could be persuaded to do the 60k service maintainance at the same time for free

The car does suffer from the engine seeming to run when it shouldn't.
At traffic lights when you would expect the engine to stop, sometimes it stops almost immediately and other times it judders, splutters and runs on. It's like its on the edge of a stall, sending quite large vibrations through the car. It will do this for 5 maybe 10 seconds then finaly give up and the engine will stop.

This doesn't seem like the same symptoms for the recall issue, but I'll certainly be interested to see if the recall will fix it.

I'm not too worried about being without the car for a day or two, aslong as the courtesy car isn't a manual.

I am the general manager of a lexus dealer in the south and i can confirm that the engine does not need to be stripped and it is not an invasive repair. The GS models can be modified without removing the engine so repair time given to the technician is 7 hours. On the LS models the engine needs to be removed from the car to get to the valve springs so the repair time is 22 hours. Everybody will be given a lexus loan car (RX450h) and a gift on completion of the recall.
This is not an easy repair for a Lexus technician and only fully qualified LLT technicians will be given these jobs. Repairs will start in August and should finish in October.
Hope this helps.

On speaking to service manager at Lexus today regarding GS450h.Lexus have given the technicians (not mechanics)8 hours paid work under warranty although will take slightly longer.
Cars to be recalled first if it suits customer are the higher mileage vehicles,makes sense.Loan car will be supplied with no insurance premium (£12.50) to be paid.
The engine does not need head removed,valves will be subjected to high air pressure to lift and a special tool will hold valve allowing removal of valve spring,camshafts will be removed.
Surprisingly and alarmingly oil and filter will not need replaced !!!

Just booked my 60k mile GS450h in.

I've been told that high pressure air will be used to hold the valves up during spring removal.

I've also been told I'll get an RX450h on loan. I did ask (tongue in cheek) for an IS-F but no chance
No mention of insurance. I've never been asked to pay on a loan car.

The dealer wants it for 3 days starting 16th August.

Malc

Just interested. I know that the item concerned will be replace but what other parts will be swapped for new. E.g. Hoses, belts, oil, filters? Maybe the general manager could advise.

[quote name='fairygodmother' date='16 July 2010 - 01:51 PM' timestamp='1279284664' post='726585']
I am the general manager of a lexus dealer in the south and i can confirm that the engine does not need to be stripped and it is not an invasive repair. The GS models can be modified without removing the engine so repair time given to the technician is 7 hours. On the LS models the engine needs to be removed from the car to get to the valve springs so the repair time is 22 hours. Everybody will be given a lexus loan car (RX450h) and a gift on completion of the recall.
This is not an easy repair for a Lexus technician and only fully qualified LLT technicians will be given these jobs. Repairs will start in August and should finish in October.
Hope this helps.
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How comes i have been told that the appointment is for december!!??! this is from the Coventry branch.

I am currently considering a gs450h but this recall has put a bit of a dampener on it. Can anyone tell me if Lexus issue anything to prove the recall has been done - as in if I but privately I dont fancy just taking sellers word for it the work has been done. Also , If I was to buy privately a car that needs the work but has not been done yet will Lexus still do the work foc when not bought from them ?

I know the answer is to buy from dealers but any replies appreciated.

Cheers Kev

I don’t think they would give you anything on paper when the work has been done, but it would be on the cars computer record, so if you intend to buy one privately, just ring any lexus dealer with the reg no and they should be able to tell you the cars history. Once a manufacture has placed a recall on any thing to do with a particular car or model it doesn’t matter how you have come by the car , dealer or privately any work will be carried out free of charge even if the car it out of warranty.
Now go and buy one, I don’t think you will regret it.

Just to confirm both points made above. I bought mine privately rang Lexus as regards any outstanding recall's. Also they have contacted me regards the valve spring recall.

[quote name='wendle' date='13 August 2010 - 02:59 PM' timestamp='1281707944' post='729404']
I don’t think they would give you anything on paper when the work has been done, but it would be on the cars computer record, so if you intend to buy one privately, just ring any lexus dealer with the reg no and they should be able to tell you the cars history. Once a manufacture has placed a recall on any thing to do with a particular car or model it doesn’t matter how you have come by the car , dealer or privately any work will be carried out free of charge even if the car it out of warranty.
Now go and buy one, I don’t think you will regret it.
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[quote name='welly414' date='13 August 2010 - 07:45 PM' timestamp='1281725136' post='729428']
Just to confirm both points made above. I bought mine privately rang Lexus as regards any outstanding recall's. Also they have contacted me regards the valve spring recall.
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Thanks guys - got my eye on a few just now. Need to strip the charger off my car first sell it and then sell the car before I am in position to shop seriously for 450 but am reassured by your comments.. much appreciated.

My GS450h has been in the garage for two days now. I get it back tomorrow.

They have lent me a brand new RX450h SE-L. At first I wasn't impressed but once I got the seating position etc sorted and managed to get it out of Eco mode I've quite taken to it. Very nice car but then for £53k it should be.

DAB radio, wood trimmed steering wheel, iPod connector with HDD, air suspension. Very pleasant. What's more they seem to have managed to get a gentle V8 sounding burble in the cabin which is different to my GS. How they manage it from a V6 I don't know.

Anyway, it has to go back tomorrow.

Malc

Got my GS450h back today - job done. No difference I've noticed except it was a darned sight cleaner and had about half a tank more fuel than when I dropped it off.

I assume the fuel was the free gift? Back in the day, Toyota gave you a bottle of champagne after a recall as well as fuel but, hey, times are hard.

The RX450h was good but boy am I glad to get the rocket sled back


Malc

Been waiting to post so here goes.... Just had my 450h back from the recall and gave the rx back, it was ok but still prefer the gs. 2006 model with 26k and the only difference is the sound of the engine when it goes from and to battery, it sounds much quieter than before and also it looks like they have done a software update on the car. Good service except for the engine cover clips missing of which i complained and are going to send some in the post.A drop of squirt in the tank and a clean can't really fault the service

I've spoken to a few dealers around London as I live centrally and effectively have the pick of 3 for my recall.

Initial GS recalls were taking 3 planned days so they were doing 2 a week. As the technicians have gotten used to the process it appears one dealer is now moving up to processing 3 GS's a week, booking the cars in for 2 days from owners. It still looks like the whole recall won't finish until Q1 2011. I have a provisional booking for next month so hopefully mine will be done then.

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So, it's a couple of weeks since the recall work was carried out and I have received a letter from Lexus telling me the work was successful and apologising for the inconvenience. They also hoped my faith in the Lexus brand was not dented.....which it isn't.....and to expect a delivery from Lexus soon!

I wonder what it'll be? I suppose and IS-F is asking a bit much lol!

Malc

[quote name='braindead' date='04 September 2010 - 06:56 PM' timestamp='1283622991' post='731370']
So, it's a couple of weeks since the recall work was carried out and I have received a letter from Lexus telling me the work was successful and apologising for the inconvenience. They also hoped my faith in the Lexus brand was not dented.....which it isn't.....and to expect a delivery from Lexus soon!

I wonder what it'll be? I suppose and IS-F is asking a bit much lol!

Malc
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The gift from Lexus arrived today.

Two, boxed, gift wrapped bottles of Taittinger 2004 vintage champagne from Fortnum and Masons. Excellent. Estimated cost of the bottles on their own is £55 each then there's the gift wrap etc.

Malc

Not been on the L.O.C for a while (my fault) i even had to alter my personal details as i sold my IS250 SE-L and bought a new shape GS450H SE-L. Anyway... Having read the above i am familiar with recalls as this is my 7th Lexus (all different models) but 2 were recalled and i received the usual complimentary valet and a bit of petrol so its nice to see that the gift they refer too is in actual fact a gift. Mine is booked for this Monday (1.11.10) so i look forward in getting in back to see the changes. I have already ordered my CT-200H back in August so can't wait for that to arrive neither.
Glad you are pleased Malc and thanks for the information provided.

My GS450h is being done now so I have a RX450h which seems to be the standard issue loan car (presumably because they can easily sell them on). The RX is a very different beast to the GS, cant say its using much less fuel either. No where near as quick - more like a Prius.