A guy from New Zealand was stung 5 times by a box jellyfish and died. He was sent back and now travels around the world telling his story. He's in the area at the moment - my church managed to get some dates on his tour - so if you're interested in hearing his story and live near Reading or Aldershot then here are the details of the talks he's holding:

Thursday 17th July 7.30pm
Grovelands Christian Centre
553 Oxford Road
Reading

Friday 18th July 7.30pm
Connaught Leisure Centre
Tongham Road (Off Lower Farnham Road)
Aldershot

Maps - [url="http://www.mycgiserver.com/~cjlack/grovelands/where.htm"]http://www.mycgiserver.com/~cjlack/grovela...lands/where.htm[/url]

Did you know....

If you became entangled in the tenticles of a box jellyfish, it would inject you with enough venom to kill 30 men..
It lives solely on tiny shrimp (which don't exaclty need incapacitating) and has no known predators..
Why it is so venomous is a mystery...

Wish I was closer, Javadude.

the only time I get to talk to the living dead, is when I have to go into the office. and then they are only dead from the neck up.

Sorry

Loz

Would have like to come as I miss Church, finding one without long hands would be a miricale though...

[quote]finding one without long hands would be a miricale though[/quote]

?

EVERY church or likeminded organisation I have found has wanted to dip into my pockets at some point or other. they seem to seek out people that would be good ambasadors for the organisation and then like a mobile phone salesman, start talking about tieing up any income for the foreseeable future.

So indictment on yourself, J'Dude. Don't know you and never met you. just a snippet of my experience. I enjoy bible readings and fellowship like the next guy, but not if its all pretence to facilitate the cosy existence of some would-be spiritual leaders...

Loz

sorry to take this but you asked.

[quote]cosy existence of some would-be spiritual leaders[/quote]

Yea makes me so mad too. There are some preoccupied with wealth especially in the states but mostly being a church leader means low income and long hours. One of our three elders has income from the church and earns 1/4 what I do.

We don't want people's money. We just want them to come along as they are, think about what they believe and where they stand with G.o.d and hopefully make a commitment to believe in him, repent and accept him as lord of their life.

We do it because he changed our lives for the better and we want other people to experience it too. A bit like "hey I drive a lexus - it's really good to drive, reliable etc - you should get one too."

Wish there were more like you Javadude.

up here (i wont name and shame churches) they seem to be like Amway reps!

"hey, you're great why don't you come meet my friend"
"hey you're great why don't you come to a bible reading?"
"hey, you're great, wanna come back some more?"
"HEy you're great! WHy don't you make a commitment to the church?"
"Hey, you're great, just don't challenge our modern way of doing things!"
"Hey, you're a tight bar steward if you don't give X% of your income to us!"
"Hey, Where are you going?"


all too familiar. not happend to me for a few years though. guess I don;t stop and talk to people like I used to...

Loz (I digress)

Ps. Great analogy with the car!

A friend of mine who is a member of an American Evangelican church tried to get me to give up alcohol..........

'nuff said

Can't get down with anyone who thinks a man can be the head of a church.... gotta be ***** everytime. except when he goes on vacation and Bruce takes over.....

[quote]A friend of mine who is a member of an American Evangelican church tried to get me to give up alcohol..........[/quote]

Why? There's nothing in the bible about giving up alcohol (although those with an alcohol problem find it helps to go zero). Phew - just as well - I like the odd beer now and again. It just says not to get drunk. (The buzz from being zapped with the holy spirit is far better anyway. )

JavaDude,

Can I just apologise for taking this thread off topic. However, as it has introduced me to one the church's better ambasadors can I also say thanks for your contribution.

*** Bless,

Loz

no problem.

[quote]A guy from New Zealand was stung 5 times by a box jellyfish and died. He was sent back and now travels around the world telling his story[/quote]

how's he telling his story if he died?

[quote name='dlayen' date='Jul 11 2003, 03:22 PM'][quote]A guy from New Zealand was stung 5 times by a box jellyfish and died. He was sent back and now travels around the world telling his story[/quote]

how's he telling his story if he died? [/quote]
He survived an attack by the most venomous creature on this planet...

I don't know the exact details.... why not go along and find out?

Hence why he's telling his story!

You can be techincally dead for a period of time and recover, or is this a person who 'claims' (sorry to be skeptical) to be a re-incarnation of the person who died from being stung by a box jellyfish ?

g.o.d is that than which none greater can be concieved, etc,, etc, etc....

[quote name='rhaines' date='Jul 11 2003, 02:26 PM']g.o.d is that than which none greater can be concieved, etc,, etc, etc....[/quote]
ahem... getting a bit profound there buddy!

Reckon this bloke who survived has been pretty fortunate and has seen his reason for being as that of an apostle. Cant fault him for that.

Box Jellyfish. worse than your average Mother-in-law!

Loz

[quote name='Loz' date='Jul 11 2003, 03:41 PM']Box Jellyfish. worse than your average Mother-in-law!

Loz[/quote]
wait till you meet mine, she makes box jellyfish scared

Here are the tour dates and also the story if you're interested but can't make it to check him out in person...

[url="http://www.aglimpseofeternity.org/"]Ian McCormack[/url]

[quote name='dlayen' date='Jul 11 2003, 03:22 PM'][quote]A guy from New Zealand was stung 5 times by a box jellyfish and died. He was sent back and now travels around the world telling his story[/quote]

how's he telling his story if he died? [/quote]
was thinking tha same thing !

[quote name='Fidgits' date='Jul 11 2003, 02:24 PM'] how's he telling his story if he died? [/QUOTE]
He survived an attack by the most venomous creature on this planet...

I don't know the exact details.... why not go along and find out?

Hence why he's telling his story! [/QUOTE]
sorry not interested don't believe in g.o.d. i was just curious how a dead man could be touring the uk.

erm... well I guess he survived.. if you look at rhaines post he outlines the probable situation..

This is not a religous discussion [it's not even my thread]... we were simply discussing this man who survived a Box Jellyfish sting... which is pretty impressive.

well there's more religous discussion on this thread than there is about the box jelly fish and i was only replying to your reply to my previous post.
it is also clear that the tour will be for religous and financial benefit not to talk about jellyfish
if you'd like to help

If you feel lead to support the ministry financially we certainly do appreciate it. If you do feel to send us a love gift, please send it in the form of either a cheque or money order to the following address:-

Ian McCormack
Old Thatch
School Lane
Barcombe
East Sussex
BN8 5DS
United Kingdom

My apologies... I meant [b]I[/b] did not want to discuss religon..

It is a 'hot topic' and IMHO.. best avoided..

I know this comment maybe out of order but is a car forum the place to be asking donations ?

It's funny how many of these evangelists always manage to get around to asking for money in the end

I am not anti-religion or anti-religous beliefs (two very different things) but like to believe I have the right as everyone else to go about my life without being questioned about them.

I am very strongly against religions asking for money, followers of any religion can donate if they so require they shouldn't need to be asked, by asking on a public car related forum I think is totally out of order, I am sorry if this feeling annoys people but I can assure you due to my beliefs I am also annoyed....

Valid thoughts on this thread... maybe....

Valid reason for asking for money on this thread.... definately not...

Well I confess to being pretty anti religion. I agree with many of the 'teachings' but I just personally believe that most churchs/religions are corrupt and rewrite stuff to 'keep the surfs down' or for financial profit. Plus it is pretty hard to think of many wars that don't boil down to religion..... people can have debates, but when it involves *** stuff - it always gets heated.

But - this is 'general chat' so my views don't come into this....... his asking for donations is no different to my asking last year for people to support the Macmillan fund raising we were doing bu buying raffle tickets at JAE. Those who wished to support the Macmillan nurses and their work with Cancer victims came and bought tickets or made donations..... those that didn't stayed well away!

I have no problem with him asking. I'll stick to my anti-cancer stuff though!

It is a very tough line though and a difficult job for the admin to decide ..... what is legitimate, fair 'general chat' etc - what is going over the line? What for example if someone was fund raising for the IRA? Lets face it - many see them as freedom fighters not terrorists, so they would see it as legitimate........

Anyway ... box jellyfish - are they more dangerous as they are peed off after being stuffed in a box then??????

[quote name='UltraViolet' date='Jul 12 2003, 07:12 PM']It is a very tough line though and a difficult job for the admin to decide ..... what is legitimate, fair 'general chat' etc - what is going over the line?[/quote]
Actually, if it's in General Chat we're gonna leave it totally alone unless it contains anything which is (a) blatantly illegal ( discriminatory or ( lewd / profaine

I wasn't suggesting or thinking for one moment that this was a 'remover' - just meaning that it can get difficult.

however .....

[quote]( lewd / profaine[/quote]

I really do hope that you are not discriminating against Loz and Wildrnes on account of a few smutty innuendos!!!

[quote name='UltraViolet' date='Jul 12 2003, 07:41 PM']I really do hope that you are not discriminating against Loz and Wildrnes on account of a few smutty innuendos!!! [/quote]
It's difficult - especially for Lozzer - apparently his middle name is babe-magnet-smut-puppy

[quote name='rhaines' date='Jul 12 2003, 05:08 PM']I know this comment maybe out of order but is a car forum the place to be asking donations ?[/quote]
To be fair Ryan - dlayen was qioting from the guys website - I would imagine to support Loz's argument.

I don't think he was soliciting for donations

I tried to be very careful on this thread, since when it comes to religon people generally have very strong beliefs (inlcuding anti-religon)..

Me, I try and be very open minded, I have no specific beliefs or bias, do I believe in g.o.d?... I really don't know...

I do believe that churches should be non-profit organisations, and I feel very strongly that evangelists (mainly US TV ones) do not present a good image of religon...

I do however know.. this man was very lucky to survive being stung by a Box jellyfish, and if this experience has given him faith which he wants to share.. good luck to him..

Personally... I think I'll wait for my own epiffany... rather than deciding on someone elses.

[quote name='dlayen' date='Jul 12 2003, 03:12 PM']If you feel lead to support the ministry financially we certainly do appreciate it. If you do feel to send us a love gift, please send it in the form of either a cheque or money order to the following address:-

Ian McCormack
Old Thatch
School Lane
Barcombe
East Sussex
BN8 5DS
United Kingdom[/quote]
sorry forgot to put quote before and after the bit i had pasted from javedudes link if you had read my previous entry you would see that i am a non beliver and would never promote the church or any religous activities . i also agree with an earlier post that most wars are over religous matters so have no time for any of it.

and finally thank you matthew for being the only person to read the thread before jumping to conclusion's

[quote name='Rodders_UK' date='Jul 12 2003, 07:04 PM'] It's difficult - especially for Lozzer - apparently his middle name is babe-magnet-smut-puppy[/quote]
Dude,

My middle name is Vincent...

....but no you got me thinking about changing it!!!

I've been dead for 24 minutes on 5th Jan 1995

You can talk to me without spending any money or visting any roadshow

Any invitation to support his ministry is intended for Christians. Ian McCormack's talk is free. There will be an offering during the talk but that's intended for Christians who are there.

Churches are like anything else that offers a product or service. If you want to be a part of it then you need to recognise that someone has to pay the rent and the minister's salary.

If you're not a Christian and you're just going along to see what its all about or even if you are a very new Christian then supporting the church is not something we want you to be bothered about. (BTW Just by being christened or occasionally going to church doesn't make you a Christian so that lets you off the hook.) It's for established Christians who have devoted their life to G.o.d and want others to find out about the same life improving choice to follow him. Its a bit like the Gold members who support the Lexus Owners Club.

BTW I announced the offering yesterday at church and as we had lots of visitors along for (adult) baptisms I made a point of saying that if your not a christian then don't worry about it.



lexussport - nice to have you still around!

why is *** censored on the forum ????

To avoid people blaspheming by taking his name in vain and possibly offending someone (in addition to G.o.d himself!). There is a dictionary of words which are automatically censored.