Barrie the main problem in all this is credibility. TBH your credibility is shot, and this whole issue has gone on to prove it. I will answer your comments one more time and then no more. The members of LOC have enough intelligence to see the truth in this (& the many other threads). Firstly let me state I have had nothing to do with your removal from the facebook group, nor did I previous to this remove you from the admin team (the facts confirming your admin removal & by whom are posted elsewhere on the LOC forum). I didn't see the need to further drag things into the open on the forum initially after your warning, I had been in contact with a member of the management team on LOC, and had left them to investigate. After your "please explain ???" comment to Stav on the JAE thread, I felt I had to expose your sheer hypocrisy, hence posting the warning you gave me in picture form. Here is a cropped picture of your pm to me. If you read it there is a massive omission as to how it should read if it were genuine. If I had been in your position, (or any other person with a mere hint of integrity for that matter) surely the first line of the message should have read something along the lines of "Hi Wozza (or Rabster), I must apologise for an error I made on Saturday on your account, to which I have only just been made aware of." If the message had started in such a manner, it could have actually read credibly and possibly even been genuine. As the message didn't have anything like it, I have no choice after many months of being on the end of a systematic witch hunt, to then take it as a non-genuine reason for the "error". I feel it was deliberate, and once exposed to the club for your true actions, you are now trying to excuse yourself from it. I am sorry to say I really do not believe you. I have already answered this point earlier in this thread. I shall refresh your memory as you obviously have forgotten, didn't read it, or just didn't understand. The reason I didn't take the issue directly up with yourself via pm, is last time I asked you questions via that needed answering, you blatantly side stepped them in an effort to avoid them altogether. Still, weighing it up, I suppose a side step might have been better than no reply at all, twice !! (there another moderator who side steps issues, but this one just doesn't reply at all) FYI the other moderator who doesn't reply to pm's ^^ is a relation :winky: I will probably get another months ban for disclosing the fact that Janey has not replied to either of my pm's to her, number one was why she had closed the "TDi back on LOC" thread, the other as to the warning she gave me for having the barefaced check as to post the question in the first place. She called it slander, maybe she should read a dictionary to find out the definition of the word. Stating facts is not slander. Then when Janey posts up on a thread saying she will discuss her enforcement of the club's T&C's if members pm her, I then expose her for not replying to me 2 times on exactly that subject. I then get a 1 months ban/suspension. She then removes her post as to conceal the evidence. Sounds fair doesn't it ?? Persecution or witch hunt. Use any description you like but the facts are that you two have been tag teaming me for months, a fact plain to see by the number of unhappy members currently spending a lot of their internet time elsewhere.......!!!! When I recieved my months acount ban/suspension, the LOC page informed me the account couldn't be accessed until the 5th of July. If the facts you state are in fact correct (which TBH I massively doubt) that would have made it the 6th, not the 5th. Your whole arguement for the ban removal falls down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see no reason for the Scorps reference at all ???? Are you now telling me he isn't banned for life by you ???? All I did was try to assist you in your ignorance of Redz issue. Shoot me for trying to help you on a matter you seemed not to be aware of. It was obvious to me what he was talking about. I did offer to pm you with links to the reasons his complaint (so I wouldn't be linking in the open), but you haven't taken me up on that so far. The facts are clear Barrie. Persecution, witch hunt or even just an agenda. Use any description you like but it is obvious you two have been tag teaming me for months, and any other member who gets in your way, a fact plain to see by the number of unhappy members currently spending a lot of their internet time elsewhere....... All this latest episode proves is your motivation to carry it forward. Two Moderators abusing their position to forward a personal agenda, and darn the best interests of the club. The fact you were outted in your latest attempt to have a dig at me, just brought it forward into the public eye (rather than keep it in pm behind closed doors where no-one else can see), and hopefully now something will then be finally done about it. If you are asking me at any point if I believe you made a genuine mistake, bearing in mind all the history, & not forgetting your pm to me to explain (as listed above & how it should have read if in anyway genuine), I would have to say sorry but no. Not a cat in hell's chance !!