DJP

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    NX 300h F Sport
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  1. If by mains you mean plugging in using a standard 3 pin plug then yes you can but it's very slow, about 6 miles an hour. I use the mains but had a charge point installed on the side of my garage. It draws about the same current as your electric cooker, and gives about 20 miles an hour. You can get a grant providing the charger you buy is on the OLEV list, which the Tesla one isn't. You don't have to have a Tesla one so could get one that qualifies but I took the view I wanted the one designed by the manufacturer of the car. I'm sure the gubbins inside is much the same and no doubt I've paid a premium but for the sake of a few quid I wasn't bothered. IMO it's also very nice looking compared to most of them. The unit cost £450 and I used Tesla's approved installer which was another £500. Obviously the cost of the install depends on the work involved and should be the same irrespective of the unit purchased. I set the charge limit required e.g. 80% and the start time, e.g. 3.30 AM (Economy 7). Based on my normal mileage I usually only need an hour or twos charge a night. For the odd occasion I do more than 200 miles I fill up for free at one of Tesla's Supercharger locations. Can't recommend it highly enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. That's interesting, I've never looked at that site. I do think@Spacewagon52 hits the nail on the head though, the headline sum of money is the critical part of the equation, irrespective of how more or less a car depreciates. I don't know where Fleetnews get their figures from but I don't agree with the Tesla figure. My car has a guaranteed residual of 54% of purchase price after 4 years assuming 40k miles. A quick look at the Lexus configurator gives an IS300h F Sport spec'd up a residual of approx 33% after 42 months. Ignoring fuel (which they also overestimated for the Tesla) and servicing which are small fry in the overall context, my Tesla cost about 80p a mile and the IS about 68p. That's not man-maths either! And to answer your question, is the Tesla twice as good? Based on the above it doesn't need to be for the financials to stand up. I loved my IS300h F Sport but the Tesla is not twice as good, it's ten times as good IMO. Utterly irrelevant of course if spending twice the headline sum is not possible, which I completely accept is the case for many for lots of reasons. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
  3. True, I was comparing it to the cost of running my NX, which certainly wasn't 0-60 in 5.2 secs! I'm paying 6p per kWh on E7 and have so far not needed to top up at home outside of those hours.
  4. Thanks Goggy, I am very lucky to be able to afford one, and I'm sure that competition and improvements in battery technology will reduces prices in the future. I'm interested in your decision on the plug in for next time. Why not full electric, is there something in your driving pattern that rules out full EV? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  5. Here's a link which will give you all the answers. There is much talk about the servicing cost given the lack of components, and I know of quite a few owners who don't have the car serviced by Tesla at all. It doesn't affect the warranty and some say it looks like money for old rope. I'm on finance so don't have a choice, but to be honest in the same way I didn't think twice about Lexus servicing my two IS's and NX, I would stick with the manufacturer just for piece of mind. Tesla maintain that the service centres aren't and never will be profit centres but who knows. As I mentioned above they are very proactive in replacing parts that have been modified and improved, and given it's at the cutting edge I'm afraid I'm erring on the side of caution. I don't think I'd want to run one out of warranty either! https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/maintenance-plans
  6. Another very good point, and one of the reasons I didn't buy one the first time around was parts and insurance. They have not supplied some parts as quickly as one would like, and that has historically resulted in delays with increased insurance claim costs as well. The accreditation to become an authorised repairer was onerous and expensive, and both this and the parts issue has/is getting much better. I believe the European facility in Tilburg where the cars are assembled has also started holding more stock for common parts. They are certainly areas where the school report would read "could do better", but they are aware and addressing. They will need to as the mass market won't be as forgiving as the early adopters. As far as servicing its 12 months or 12.5k miles but not a requirement unless you have finance. The warranty of 50k miles 4 years is not dependent on the car being serviced. The cost is broadly in line with other premium makes, curious as the component list is much less. That said they have a very proactive, preemptive approach and will replace parts where an improvement has been made. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
  7. Sorry to hear it didn't work out and you have touched on a good point. The "customer experience" can be very patchy indeed. Individually the staff are all very well meaning, helpful and believe passionately in the product that they don't actually try and sell you. However, they either do not have enough staff and/or their systems need beefing up. This will be especially true when the Model 3 arrives in a couple of years. The rush to get deliveries out at the end of each quarter causes unnecessary problems but they seem to rely on the memory of these to fade the minute you drive away. And they pretty much do! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
  8. As I can't amend the title of the original post I have started a new one and a link to the original is above. I am acutely aware this is a Lexus forum but it was Lexus that started me on the electric journey and a number of posters asked that I give an update on Tesla ownership. So here it is, in brief, and intended to be helpful and informative. I will of course respond if desired and if this in even a teeny weeny way helps move Lexus along the electric drivetrain journey then so much the better. The drive is fantastic . For those of you in a hybrid, imagine driving as you do now solely on the battery and multiply the experience by 10. Beautifully serene and silent, then ridiculously fast and still silent. The lack of engine noise hides the sensation of speed somewhat, and you need to be aware of that. The acceleration is immediate and it's almost impossible not to grin like a child. The regenerative braking takes about 5 minutes to get used to and then becomes second nature, if you anticipate the road ahead correctly the brakes only need to be touched when you need to come to a complete stop. Parking is not easy. It's a big car and the "hips" make it difficult to park squarely, despite the dipping mirrors and rear camera. I have never before struggled but there's something about the Tesla that makes it a slight struggle. I've only used the auto parallel parking once and it was perfect but very quick and frightened the life out of me. Fit and finish is much better than I expected, no rattles, squeaks or vibrations. I have done 3k miles in the 2 months since I got it and so too early to get carried away but the initial signs are very good. The technology is amazing, the 17" touchscreen is a delight to use and having the full screen as a nav very helpful when venturing to pastures new. There is a secondary Garmin nav in the instrument binnacle as a back up in case the permanently connected to 3/4G data connection drops, which can happen in remote of rural areas. This connection also gives Spotify and web access etc and the voice control is a million times more accurate than the ones I've experienced before. The range and charging. I bought the 60 kWh which has a 75kWh pack and was software limited to 60kWh. Real world mileage between 160-200 miles depending on conditions and speed. Rain, cold and speed impacts on range dramatically. Driving in mild/warm conditions at or around the speed limit improves range considerably. This is of course no different to "normal" cars but the refuelling process is not as quick. That said, I charge at home overnight using Economy 7 drawing 8kW of power, equivalent to a cooker. This gives me a full "tank" every morning and I only have to consider refuelling if my daily drive is going to exceed 150+ miles. I've used the Tesla Supercharger network half a dozen times, and the battery has been recharged sufficiently in the time it takes to go to the loo and grab a coffee. Since purchasing Tesla have dropped the 60 kWh battery option and reduced the price of "unlocking" the 15kWh to turn mine into a 75kWh. I paid to unlock so now have the 75kWh, which equates to a usable battery of 72.6kWh. The attached pic shows that I have a lifetime average of using 330Wh per mile. Real world range is so far 220 miles, compared to what Tesla say is the average for my car, 239 miles. Ignoring the fact that the Superchargers are free, using Economy 7 means I am paying 2p a mile for fuel, compared to 15p a mile (based on 35mpg I used to get on my NX). A couple of explanations of the pic icons, the greyed out speed limit icon shows adaptive cruise is ready to be activated, and the greyed out steering wheel shows autosteer is also ready. A double pull on a steering column lever will activate both, and the car with drive using the camera, radar and sensor suite. The driver must maintain contact with the steering wheel, and if the car doesn't sense occasional hand resistance, i.e. up and down torque resistance, not a tight grip, the car will nag and eventually disengage "autopilot" and bring the car to a stop. The power meter on the right shows the energy burn over the last 30 miles (other options available) with the wiggly line showing deviation from the "typical" usage. This photo was taken whilst I was stopped at traffic lights by a passenger. The radar sees the car in front, and often the car in front of that as the radar bounces underneath the car in front. Downsides? The only part of the financial equation that stacks up is the "fuel" cost, everything else requires a healthy dose of man maths. That's not a problem in itself, man maths to one degree or another is employed as soon as you deviate away from the cheapest vehicle that will get you from A to B. Long journey's take some thought and research into your travel pattern is a must IMO before you buy. There are Tesla owners doing 30k miles a year plus, so high mileage in itself is not a barrier. Not having the ability to charge overnight would be a major challenge, but some do it, particularly if you live close to a Supercharger. The competition? There isn't any. Yet. The sooner it arrives the better as that can only be good for everyone. The Jag I Pace seems to be the closest one to actually coming to market, the rest are vapourware. Unfortunately ask Jaguar about a nationwide network of high speed chargers and its a mumble about "that's on the way". Where, when, how are met with more mumbling. Sorry, I did say brief.. That's about as brief as I can be. Hope the mods don't mind me posting this, it was born out of genuine interest from Lexus owners.
  9. I've been in exactly the same dilemma, I've never ordered the same makes back to back and ended up with three Lexi in a row! I had an IS300h and went to the NX300h, both F Sport Prem Nav. I didn't regret the move for a second. IMO the NX is a step up in quality from the IS, and when you add to the Lexus quality the hybrid drivetrain efficiency/economy, the sharp lines and relative exclusivity it's a very very hard act to follow. I never looked at it seriously as I've now moved away from Lexus but would have had a look at the Jag F Pace, rather than any of those you've mentioned. Good luck with it, as mentioned above First World problem indeed!
  10. I had an IS250 for a fair few years and an IS300h for two years. I halved my petrol bill and loved the times I could just cruise along on pure electric. I wouldn't swap it back for the V6 although that's a great engine and transmission combo. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  11. I chopped my NX300h in for the S 60D, so have a £750 referral code you could use. In fairness so has @ganzoom and this is his thread so if he posts it you could use that. I also totally understand that £750 is a drop in the ocean but "every little helps". In case you are seriously considering it, the S 60kWh is being discontinued from mid April, the entry level will be the 75kWh - and that's another chunk of money to find. That's a real shame but I think Tesla are trying to put clear water between the Model 3 and Model S pricing.
  12. Looking very good @ganzoom, glad you're pleased with it after the Long Wait! I'm not sure that "slow" or "cheap" belong in any sentence involving a Tesla though
  13. NX ordered

    I also meant to say yes, it is a bit bigger but you soon get used to that. All I can say about the Tesla is that whatever you do, do not test drive one. If you enjoy the smooth, quiet electric aspect of the hybrid drivetrain you will be blown away by the all electric drivetrain and man maths takes on a new dimension
  14. NX ordered

    I went from IS300h F Sport To NX 300h F Sport Both with Premium Nav. I did not regret making the switch for one moment, which is not to say the IS is a bad car, far from it, but IMO the NX is a move up in quality. The ride height is obviously different, and a definite advantage particularly on motorway driving. The power tailgate is suddenly something you don't ever want to do without, and the alloys are much much safer than those on the IS! The drivetrain is slightly more intrusive but only noticeable when pushing it, and that's not my style of driving anyway. I was concerned it might be underpowered as it's much heavier than the IS but has the same engine. Again, IMO not an issue and it is plenty fast enough. I too wanted a change, and am sure you will be pleased. I'm afraid I have just, reluctantly left the brand and now have this: The move from my IS 250 to the IS300h sold me on the hybrid concept, so the next logical step was all electric. I would have been over the moon had Lexus decided to enter the fray, but cutting edge isn't really their style. Maybe one day they will, but in the meantime this will have to do [emoji23]. And it does very very nicely indeed! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
  15. I understand what you are saying. Some owners say things like "it's a £40k car with a £30k battery". There is some truth in that, for the price you can buy a better built car, no doubt about it. There is certainly a premium being paid for the technology, to an extent the battery, and Elon Musk will readily admit without people buying the S and X the 3 couldn't be built. Tesla have a lot of work to do to get the 3 to market, and the market won't be as forgiving as the early S and X adopters have been/are. An added problem of course is the current exchange rate. It might sound funny but what pushed me over the edge was the day Marmite went up by 12% and Apple stuck hundreds of £'S on the price of a Mac. Man maths was working overtime before Brexit as it was [emoji23] Musk wants other players in the EV market, so do I, but at the moment there's nothing even close to the Tesla out there IMO. The Jaguar iPace looks interesting but without a network of fast charging points I'm not convinced it's a real challenger. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk