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RC-F optional equiptment

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£1995 for the Premium Nav option, then another £1000 for the ML.

Personally I couldn't justify £1k on a sound system in a car. I find the 10 speaker Premium Nav sound more than adequate. I would prefer to spend it on my home system, where the acoustics are far more controllable ... 

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On 11/08/2017 at 8:36 PM, ColinBarber said:

Have you spent time with the standard system? That could be almost as good.

I've owned 2 lexus cars. One with ml and one with the standard system and I can't tell the difference between the two.  The standard system is superb.  The ml not worth the extra in my opinion. 

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16 minutes ago, peachy said:

I've owned 2 lexus cars. One with ml and one with the standard system and I can't tell the difference between the two.  The standard system is superb.  The ml not worth the extra in my opinion. 

I completely agree that it s the case on IS mk2, but not mk3 IS and RC... Standard 6 speaker system is just awful.. @NemesisUK I can easily justify £1000 for ML considering how bad standard system is, but not £2995 as ML is only available with premium nav (which is by the way useless as well - compared to free app on the phone). So basically in RC you are forced to get at least £1995 premium nav option and then extra £1000 is kind of diminishing returns on ML.

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@Linas.P I find the Premium Nav eminently usable, completely satisfactory and very convenient. It's connected services work very well and I haven't found it wanting in getting me from A to B My phone stays safely stowed in the centre cubby..  

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3 minutes ago, NemesisUK said:

@Linas.P I find the Premium Nav eminently usable, completely satisfactory and very convenient. It's connected services work very well and I haven't found it wanting in getting me from A to B My phone stays safely stowed in the centre cubby..  

That is what any nav does in any newish car - nothing special. The problems is that Lexus/Toyota decided not to use Android Car Play/Apple Car and hence their navigation function itself is lacking. For example Waze or googlemaps on my phone car run circles around them in terms of real time traffic condition and routing. I am not saying there is no such functions, but the suggestions they give and speeds is at 2008 level, not at 2017. The interface is dated and not very intuitive as well. If I could choose ML without Sat nav at all that would be good enough. Finally, I agree it is ok going from city to city or driving in country side, but it is not up for task navigating in London traffic where timely information and accurate predictions are necessary.

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I don't need anything special, just usable. To say the Lexus Nav system is good or bad is very subjective. I grant it isn't intuitive in it's operation but practice makes perfect :wink3:

Personally I dislike "add-ons" and using my phone as a Nav system, it's a communication device.

All very personal and subjective. I'm perfectly happy with the Lexus system :yes: 

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Overall, I would not say Lexus Sat Nav is significantly worse than other makes (unless they like Tesla uses google maps which are much better). It is fine for showing the most straightforward route, not as much predicting traffic condition with accuracy of minute if not seconds. That prediction is what I need... I already know my way to work and back home, I don't need sat nav to barely show me where to go, what I need is accurate conditions and possible shortcuts and ways around traffic. That what phone apps are capable of, not built in sat navs (I am yet to see one fitted in the car by default ... again except Tesla and few other using apps).

In terms of phone as communication device ... that is bit outdated, days gone when phone was there to only make calls, then there was second generation which said "each devices has its own place" and refused to throw away ipods and kept on their bulky DSLRs, dedicated sat navs in the cars... now even that is gone, even professional photographers agrees that phone camera is fully sufficient for daily use and taking full size camera is only necessary specific work purposes. Same with sat nav, I don't really care that phone is "primarily communication device" if sat nav on it is more intuitive, faster, more accurate and predicts faster route for me more consistently. There is nothing subjective about it - it is fact that if I leave tomorrow in the morning and there is traffic on my way to work (which is 100% there because it is London) app such as Waze or built in google maps will show me better and faster route to work than Lexus sat nav would.

Finally, on other cars there is again Android car play etc. which allows your entertainment system to use your phone functionality such as that superior navigation, without need of using your phone screen or cradle to hold it - it is kind of best of both worlds.

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Just wanted to add that my original point was not about how good or bad Lexus sat nav is, but more about that I am happy to pay £1000 for ML system if it upgrades the car from 6 speakers poverty line to 17 speakers ML system, what I am not happy with is to pay £1995 for sat nav which I don't need and it adds no value for me (considering normal nav is already in standard equipment).

Standard Lexus nav does all what I need from it - simple point to point navigation in case I don't know the roads and without need of using data (especially useful when going abroad). If I want real time traffic and routing I don't need to spend £1995, I can simply get free app which as well works better than Lexus system.

Finally, finally... It applies only for RC300/200t F-sport and Luxury. This all doesn't apply to RC-F, nor Premium trim in other RC's as they gets premium sat nav with reasonable 10 speakers audio from standard. Furthermore, I haven seen RC-F without ML anyway so all argument is more theoretical. 

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The merits and de-merits, the latter mainly economic, of ML audio have been debated as long as LOC Forums have existed without, as far

as I can see, anything like a general consensus of opinion having emerged.  As for me, my RC is my first Lexus without ML, which, on the

basis of tried and trusted performance, I would have preferred had its availability not involved a wait of 4-5 months against immediate

delivery of an F-Sport with the 10-speaker system as standard.    While I have learned to live with the latter system, and consider its quality

perfectly acceptable (so much so that I am faintly ashamed to be focusing on such a typically First-World issue), I would still objectively have 

preferred the ML.  What I would not have tolerated, on the other hand, and would have put up with any length of waiting-list to avoid it, is

the 6-speaker system, whose tinniness I experienced in a CT loaner and which would certainly once not have been considered worthy of

Lexus, let alone of any of its  higher models.                                            

 

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23 hours ago, wendle said:

unfortunately if everyone listened to Lexus reviews made by Top gear we wouldn't buy any model.

Carry on Top Gear I say. It makes them rarer and cheaper to buy. Double win.

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On 8/14/2017 at 8:14 AM, Rabbers said:

 What I would not have tolerated, on the other hand, and would have put up with any length of waiting-list to avoid it, is the 6-speaker system, whose tinniness I experienced in a CT loaner and which would certainly once not have been considered worthy of Lexus, let alone of any of its  higher models.                                  

 

Cannot agree more, I believe from 10 speaker "premium" ML is diminishing returns on investment, no doubt better, but not exactly best value for money. 

However 6 speakers standard system is profiteering gone wrong, that is something I call negative marketing - "make standard offer so bad, that customers will have no choice but to upgrade"... works well for budget airlines making standard seats so miserable that you have no other option but to upgrade to "premium economy", from there on "first class" is diminishing returns as well, not sure it is good idea for premium automotive brand selling exclusive cars in niche market.

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The RC-F standard audio is a 10-speaker system, the ML is optional. There isn't a 6-speaker system on the RC-F.

The RC is similar to the IS, three systems available - standard, premium, and ML. The standard 6-speaker system is weak.

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That was mentioned already several time. Indeed the topic is about RC-F... from the responses above it seems everyone are in agreement that standard system is decent enough - though I have yet to see RC-F without ML.

I guess I was more in interested in TVD and ACC/PCS... for what I could gather TVD is great addition, though not showstopper for daily driver. Any other opinions on ACC/PCS.. Any negatives of TVD (except few extra kg of weight)?...

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