Deal With The Devil...

[aido]

Surely it's only some Aristos that have the twin turbos, isn't it ? Aristos are basically the GS, aren't they ? Just that there's a model that has twin turbos, and the equivalent model isn't in the GS range ?

Basically mate, you've got two Aristo models:

S300 - N/A 2JZ-GE

V300 - Twin Turbo 2JZ-GTE

The S300 is what we get as the GS300 - I think the 430 came about as the Yanks like larger displacement whereas the Japs like turbos. The 430 is very nice, I almost bought one myself, lovely car, grunt right from the get go - the V300 I don't think has as much low down torque but bring the turbos online and bang it's off like a bat out of hell :)

The V8 of the 430 is really nice - but saying that there's not much sounds better than a 2JZ-GTE or RB26 - well apart from the Audi R8 or whatever it is that sounds well nice :)

[Yeldarb]

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[chrisis200]

As it is only me and the wife I think the Aristo is gonna be a tad large, I don't do many miles but they are all twisty back roads, so a large car is not on the cards. I think I will have to hold on for a month or 2 and see what comes up. Be it a Prolex s/c, a TTE S/C, or no mods and use the Boxter more often. Either way I will not have an auto, and it must be at least a 51 plate onwards as my new plate is "something 51 something"

Keep us updated which ever way you go and make sure you take lots of pics, these are my fave threads to read :D

[Yeldarb]

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[DEANOROW]

is it me or does it seem the the is300 is easier to turbo than the is200 as seen in america,and if so why is this as many turbo'd is200's seem not to work or have many problems

Are there any Turbo IS200's that work I must ask? lol

Mine is running spot on, had a few probs at the start of the year but thats all sorted now. It was all down to some wiring from the ecu and took quite some time to figure out :)

[Adie]

is it me or does it seem the the is300 is easier to turbo than the is200 as seen in america,and if so why is this as many turbo'd is200's seem not to work or have many problems

Are there any Turbo IS200's that work I must ask? lol

Mine is running spot on, had a few probs at the start of the year but thats all sorted now. It was all down to some wiring from the ecu and took quite some time to figure out :)

Mine too is working fine. :D

[Yeldarb]

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[chrisis200]

is it me or does it seem the the is300 is easier to turbo than the is200 as seen in america,and if so why is this as many turbo'd is200's seem not to work or have many problems

Are there any Turbo IS200's that work I must ask? lol

Mine is running spot on, had a few probs at the start of the year but thats all sorted now. It was all down to some wiring from the ecu and took quite some time to figure out :)

Mine too is working fine. :D

Awesome Adie yours is now fixed? Go update your thread with pics and tales of joy an I will pretend I didnt see this ;) So will you be at the Ace Cafe?

Deanrow you going to the Ace Cafe, I do want to see one of these great cars one day lol..

[chrisis200]

OK IT IS DONE THIS IS WHAT WILL BE GOING IN TO MY IS200,

I can’t even find any that have been done before, James sais 2 have been done so I can't be looking in the right places!!

So the new spec:

3SGTE (revision 3) engine

6 Speed IS gearbox

Power.... 300BHP

Torque.... plenty :winky:

My reason for the sudden change is simple, Toyota GT will do all the installation, tuning, problem solving and generally get all the hassle of such a conversion, they are specialists with the engine and have plenty of swaps under their belt.

The engine is light compared with the 3L Supra and the IS200 STD block, it costs less to run daily, less insurance, sits further back in the bay and above all reliable, my car has high miles so S/charging it may break the chocolate internals too soon. The price is good also if you look at £'s per BHP!!

My hope is to give the car to Toyota GT in the middle of Jan and hope they take some nice photos so we can all see the project take shape. Then go M3 hunting :winky: :winky:

This is gonna be interesting glad someone else is doing it!!!!

Sounds very exciting stuff for the new year, I'm a total novice in this area so excuse me when I ask what car the 3SGTE (revision 3) engine comes from

[Gord]

OK IT IS DONE THIS IS WHAT WILL BE GOING IN TO MY IS200,

I can’t even find any that have been done before, James sais 2 have been done so I can't be looking in the right places!!

So the new spec:

3SGTE (revision 3) engine

6 Speed IS gearbox

Power.... 300BHP

Torque.... plenty :winky:

My reason for the sudden change is simple, Toyota GT will do all the installation, tuning, problem solving and generally get all the hassle of such a conversion, they are specialists with the engine and have plenty of swaps under their belt.

The engine is light compared with the 3L Supra and the IS200 STD block, it costs less to run daily, less insurance, sits further back in the bay and above all reliable, my car has high miles so S/charging it may break the chocolate internals too soon. The price is good also if you look at £'s per BHP!!

My hope is to give the car to Toyota GT in the middle of Jan and hope they take some nice photos so we can all see the project take shape. Then go M3 hunting :winky: :winky:

This is gonna be interesting glad someone else is doing it!!!!

All the best with this Phil :D What did thay say about the other engine (the one in the link i sent you)

[Gord]

OK IT IS DONE THIS IS WHAT WILL BE GOING IN TO MY IS200,

I can’t even find any that have been done before, James sais 2 have been done so I can't be looking in the right places!!

So the new spec:

3SGTE (revision 3) engine

6 Speed IS gearbox

Power.... 300BHP

Torque.... plenty :winky:

My reason for the sudden change is simple, Toyota GT will do all the installation, tuning, problem solving and generally get all the hassle of such a conversion, they are specialists with the engine and have plenty of swaps under their belt.

The engine is light compared with the 3L Supra and the IS200 STD block, it costs less to run daily, less insurance, sits further back in the bay and above all reliable, my car has high miles so S/charging it may break the chocolate internals too soon. The price is good also if you look at £'s per BHP!!

My hope is to give the car to Toyota GT in the middle of Jan and hope they take some nice photos so we can all see the project take shape. Then go M3 hunting :winky: :winky:

This is gonna be interesting glad someone else is doing it!!!!

Sounds very exciting stuff for the new year, I'm a total novice in this area so excuse me when I ask what car the 3SGTE (revision 3) engine comes from

MR2 Turbo :D

[Steviewevie]

That's a Celica/MR2 engine. I'm guessing that ToyotaGT have quite a lot of experience with this engine, whenver I've been there, there are always stacks of MR2s there and a Celica or two (or three).

Sounds interesting and ToyotaGT are just down the road from me (well, not literally, but they're very near).

I look forward to hearing how this goes !

[chrisis200]

Thanks guys, this sounds very intresting now :)

[Yeldarb]

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[Steviewevie]

I can’t even find any that have been done before, James sais 2 have been done so I can't be looking in the right places!!

So is James saying they have previously done this twice before for the IS200, i.e. 3S-GTE swap ? I know that they get customers from other countries, as well as all over this country.

[garethr]

3S-GTE in an IS sounds like fun. I've never understood why Toyota didn't make a proper job of going after the Germans. If you buy a BMW 3-series, an Audi A3/A4, or a Mercedes C-Class you can choose an ordinary saloon or a supercar (and lots in between).

If an Aristo is too big and too automatic, how about a 1JZ-GTE Chaser/Mark II? I know people are put off by the perceived hassle of running an import, but I'm not convinced that it's worse than running a complete one-off :) (and you could probably import a Chaser from Japan in less time than it will take to do the 3S conversion).

[sparkystav]

Sounds great mate,

Am i right in saying its basically a turbocharged Altezza engine. (3SGE) + the Turbo

Stav

[Yeldarb]

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[Monster-Mat]

a 3sgte will be interesting

whenever i looked into this there were issues which didnt seem easy to solve.

oil pick up is designed for transverse applications, so the sump(both parts), oil pick up, need swapping, the dizzy cap is in the wrong place so you need to go to electronic ignition and coil packs, from what i had read the head is ONLY designed for transverse applications, so the oil drains are in the wrong place when fitted longitudinally.....

manifolds will have to be custom made to fit into the engine bay as the transverse manifolds dont fit

the engine mounts are completely different, so custom is the only way ahead, you will be able to use the is200 6 speed gearbox, but im sure from when i was looking at doing this swap that you will need an altezza 3sge bell housing as the starter motor when fitted into the is200 bell housing will foul on the 3sgte components.

the propshaft will need modifications, and the gearbox will need reconfiguring into the 2nd position (set for 3sge)

the biggest issue will be the electronics, the ig-fe ecu will be expecting to see VVTI, Electrinic throttle control and varible inlet control signals.

all things which the 3sgte did not have, the splicing of the 3sgte into the multiplex electronics of the is200 will be intresting.

Truely good luck, ....but its not you doing it so Goodluck to ToyotaGT

Sounds great mate,

Am i right in saying its basically a turbocharged Altezza engine. (3SGE) + the Turbo

Stav

the Altezza head is completely different, the block oil gallery's are drilled different in the Altezza block as well as the oil needs to feed the VVTI operation of the cylinder head

the 2 part sump and oil pick ups are totally different between the Altezza 3sge and the mr2 3sgte

No they know of 2 others that have been done but this will be a first for them.

Yes simpley a turbo Altezza, bet it won't be a simple conversion though.

id be interested to see the other 2 3sgte conversions into an is200, are they sure there not just turbocharged 3sge Altezza's

To heavy and for the car, a 2L is in their opinion a better choice also off boost it is just like a normal 2L car in terms of fuel usage where as the 3L will still drink fuel off boost, also nearly the same power.

why is the 3l...too heavy for the car, ive not struggled with the weight.....its heavier yes...too heavy, not at all

the 2l is in there opinion the better choice, possibly as that is what they know best

the 3l off boost, doesn't drink fuel...., and do you think the 3sgte on boost is frugal.....not at all....lol

i wouldn't consider fuel consumption when doing a conversion.....

i wouldn't say they were nearly the same power

standard 3s-gte........ 240hp @ 6000rpm

standard 2jz-gte........320hp @ 5800rpm

[Dave-Ellen]

a 3sgte will be interesting

whenever i looked into this there were issues which didnt seem easy to solve.

oil pick up is designed for transverse applications, so the sump(both parts), oil pick up, need swapping, the dizzy cap is in the wrong place so you need to go to electronic ignition and coil packs, from what i had read the head is ONLY designed for transverse applications, so the oil drains are in the wrong place when fitted longitudinally.....

manifolds will have to be custom made to fit into the engine bay as the transverse manifolds dont fit

the engine mounts are completely different, so custom is the only way ahead, you will be able to use the is200 6 speed gearbox, but im sure from when i was looking at doing this swap that you will need an altezza 3sge bell housing as the starter motor when fitted into the is200 bell housing will foul on the 3sgte components.

the propshaft will need modifications, and the gearbox will need reconfiguring into the 2nd position (set for 3sge)

the biggest issue will be the electronics, the ig-fe ecu will be expecting to see VVTI, Electrinic throttle control and varible inlet control signals.

all things which the 3sgte did not have, the splicing of the 3sgte into the multiplex electronics of the is200 will be intresting.

Truely good luck, ....but its not you doing it so Goodluck to ToyotaGT

Sounds great mate,

Am i right in saying its basically a turbocharged Altezza engine. (3SGE) + the Turbo

Stav

the Altezza head is completely different, the block oil gallery's are drilled different in the Altezza block as well as the oil needs to feed the VVTI operation of the cylinder head

the 2 part sump and oil pick ups are totally different between the Altezza 3sge and the mr2 3sgte

I agree Mat..............I remember there being an issue with the distributor as well.

Good luck lookforward to reading the updates

[Yeldarb]

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[Monster-Mat]

The car will be running 2 ECU's, thats for sure. But the details are down to the fabricators.

i know it will.....but you still need to get the tacho, speedo, and all the warning lights working as well...........

[Yeldarb]

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[Monster-Mat]

The car will be running 2 ECU's, thats for sure. But the details are down to the fabricators.

i know it will.....but you still need to get the tacho, speedo, and all the warning lights working as well...........

Same problem with putting a Supra unit in, I would have thought.

yes it is...i have a supra engine...which has been fitted for 5 years

but there are additional issues with fitting an engine that is designed to work transverse into a car longitudinally

[Dave-Ellen]

For what its worth there is no way on earth you will get this done on the budget we have discussed.

If you want 3S-GE power chop yours in against a Tezza with it fitted and get a aftermarket turbo kit (trust.HKS/PE do them) or get the TOM's 280 on eBay...that may hold its value.

All I'd suggest bearing in mind what Mat has pointed out to you that you get something in writing regarding costs and delivery time or it may end in tears

Also the drive of your car will change drastically.............ask gord who has gone from a IS to a Altezza............lasted 3 weeks at most...................

No matter what you decide good luck