Found A Place To Do Geometry Checks In North West!

[Anees]

Visited Drury Lane on Tuesday for a full geometry check.

Nice guys, and everything was done as explained.

No major problems just

" a small adjustment"  I was told.

This was done and everything is fine.

A point worth mentioning was the cost of the check, at £40.00 + vat, not a problem.

But do ask the cost of any adjustments as this could surprise you.

In my case the small adjustment cost a further £80.00 + vat.

Still at least I know everything is spot on now.

Thanks to Anees for the introduction.

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Do you have a copy of the Check sheet you could put up?

BTW - Nice to see you back Tony! :D

[Tony-Bones]

Visited Drury Lane on Tuesday for a full geometry check.

Nice guys, and everything was done as explained.

No major problems just

" a small adjustment"  I was told.

This was done and everything is fine.

A point worth mentioning was the cost of the check, at £40.00 + vat, not a problem.

But do ask the cost of any adjustments as this could surprise you.

In my case the small adjustment cost a further £80.00 + vat.

Still at least I know everything is spot on now.

Thanks to Anees for the introduction.

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Do you have a copy of the Check sheet you could put up?

BTW - Nice to see you back Tony! :D

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Thanks? but i never went, just went "quiet" i feel most here in the forum know WIM exists and if you have problems then i am just an e-mail away, i have been watching the forum "remotely" via my hit counter...

it's a shame you dont have a hard copy of the geometry? i would love to know what that "small" adjustment at a cost of £80 was!

the Lexus is one of the most simple cars to adjust geometrically, each angle can be corrected in minutes, so £80 is one hell of a fee for a "small" adjustment.

i am looking forward to the relivent information from Drury that i requested so that i can add them as a "trusted centre" on my site, one of the main areas is "actual" cost per adjustment, i hope this wont act as a barrier..

[lexicon]

i would love to know what that "small" adjustment at a cost of £80 was!

the Lexus is one of the most simple cars to adjust geometrically, each angle can be corrected in minutes, so £80 is one hell of a fee for a "small" adjustment.

How long did this "small adjustment" take ?

I know Anees' car took 4 hours all in, but then his is fairly modified.

Mine is completely stock, but still took 3 and half hours and, interestingly, my adjustment(s) also cost £80 + VAT.

If it's easy to adjust (in minutes) why is it taking so long?

(I'm not having a go at anyone - I'm just interested to know)

[Tony-Bones]

i would love to know what that "small" adjustment at a cost of £80 was!

the Lexus is one of the most simple cars to adjust geometrically, each angle can be corrected in minutes, so £80 is one hell of a fee for a "small" adjustment.

How long did this "small adjustment" take ?

I know Anees' car took 4 hours all in, but then his is fairly modified.

Mine is completely stock, but still took 3 and half hours and, interestingly, my adjustment(s) also cost £80 + VAT.

If it's easy to adjust (in minutes) why is it taking so long?

(I'm not having a go at anyone - I'm just interested to know)

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The more time spent with a customer in reality is a good thing, assuming it's not £ by the hour! when i do a geometry on an IS the time taken is about two hours, example: Scorpions geometry, IS200 needed a full recovery since he removed the coilovers, the geometry including set-up and print took one hour.. the "chat" we had took another hour, the cost was for the work done, not the time taken.

I want "Drury" to be a beacon for you, but please can thay disply actual costs..

[lexicon]

The more time spent with a customer in reality is a good thing, assuming it's not £ by the hour! when i do a geometry on an IS the time taken is about two hours, example: Scorpions geometry, IS200 needed a full recovery since he removed the coilovers, the geometry including set-up and  print took one hour.. the "chat" we had took another hour, the cost was for the work done, not the time taken.

I want "Drury" to be a beacon for you, but please can thay disply actual costs..

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Agreed - it's nice to feel "special" :D

My time was all spent doing work - they started on it straight away and gave me the keys back 3.5 hrs later (just over an hour for the initial check, the rest for adjustments), THEN we spent a few minutes chatting.

I have no complaint against DLG, they were helpful and friendly and seemed interested in LOC, and £40/hr labour rate (as it works out) is cheap these days.

Maybe they need more familiarity with the car or are just amazingly thorough/careful.

[Tony-Bones]

The more time spent with a customer in reality is a good thing, assuming it's not £ by the hour! when i do a geometry on an IS the time taken is about two hours, example: Scorpions geometry, IS200 needed a full recovery since he removed the coilovers, the geometry including set-up and  print took one hour.. the "chat" we had took another hour, the cost was for the work done, not the time taken.

I want "Drury" to be a beacon for you, but please can thay disply actual costs..

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Agreed - it's nice to feel "special" :D

My time was all spent doing work - they started on it straight away and gave me the keys back 3.5 hrs later (just over an hour for the initial check, the rest for adjustments), THEN we spent a few minutes chatting.

I have no complaint against DLG, they were helpful and friendly and seemed interested in LOC, and £40/hr labour rate (as it works out) is cheap these days.

Maybe they need more familiarity with the car or are just amazingly thorough/careful.

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I dont know what to say! i just feel worried! about that £80 cost = "small adjustment" is of concern.. i can understand a higher cost for the set-up, but the adjustments are simple, so why the £80!! see my point.

[jjf946]

:mat: Sorry this is a bit late but had a few computer probs.

Anyway I have put my report on here, and just looking at it there does not seem to have been any changes made !

My LS430 is a standard off the shelf car.

Car went in at 10.30am

Had a call at 11.30am to say there was a small adjustment to make and the car would be ready at 2.00pm.

Hope the adjustment form is attached ( never done it before )

[Tony-Bones]

:mat: Sorry this is a bit late but had a few computer probs.

Anyway I have put my report on here, and just looking at it there does not seem to have been any changes made !

My LS430 is a standard off the shelf car.

Car went in at 10.30am

Had a call at 11.30am to say there was a small adjustment to make and the car would be ready at 2.00pm.

Hope the adjustment form is attached ( never done it before )

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no it's not, have another go! i am real keen to see that report....

[Lexxy_703]

got new rear tyres fitted yesterday & i need to get tracking/geometry sorted out now.

'National' did my tyres but suggested more specialist for tracking & recommended CTS wheels & tyres, Derby. They used to be on mansfield road but have recently moved to alfreton road. (& got a £50k new bit of kit for this sort of thing...i'm just soooo technical!)

anybody had any experience with them? is tracking the same as geometry?

cheers

Abbie

[Anees]

got new rear tyres fitted yesterday & i need to get tracking/geometry sorted out now.

'National' did my tyres but suggested more specialist for tracking & recommended CTS wheels & tyres, Derby. They used to be on mansfield road but have recently moved to alfreton road. (& got a £50k new bit of kit for this sort of thing...i'm just soooo technical!)

anybody had any experience with them? is tracking the same as geometry? 

cheers

Abbie

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Hi Abbie,

I wouldn't trust National Tyres - they couldn't get one of my wheel nuts off so just balanced the tyre with it on! :tsktsk: Anyway.....thats a different topic.

Tracking is very different from Geometry. Tracking is very basic and just makes sure that the steering is not off centre.

Geometry is a complete check and adjustment of all the angles on your car and can (as in my case) transform your car if the angles are out. Geometry is ALOT more through and complex. I could try to (poorly explain with my limited knowledge) all the adjustments and things - but its much better to link to the maestros website - Tony:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/anthoney.bones/

He explains everything.

Good Luck!

[Tony-Bones]

got new rear tyres fitted yesterday & i need to get tracking/geometry sorted out now.

'National' did my tyres but suggested more specialist for tracking & recommended CTS wheels & tyres, Derby. They used to be on mansfield road but have recently moved to alfreton road. (& got a £50k new bit of kit for this sort of thing...i'm just soooo technical!)

anybody had any experience with them? is tracking the same as geometry? 

cheers

Abbie

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Hi Abbie,

I wouldn't trust National Tyres - they couldn't get one of my wheel nuts off so just balanced the tyre with it on! :tsktsk: Anyway.....thats a different topic.

Tracking is very different from Geometry. Tracking is very basic and just makes sure that the steering is not off centre.

Geometry is a complete check and adjustment of all the angles on your car and can (as in my case) transform your car if the angles are out. Geometry is ALOT more through and complex. I could try to (poorly explain with my limited knowledge) all the adjustments and things - but its much better to link to the maestros website - Tony:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/anthoney.bones/

He explains everything.

Good Luck!

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Thanks for the vote of confidence Anees, i have not had any reply from Drury! maybe we can lay them to rest since once again the "actual" cost per adjustment seems to be a problem as far as display is concerned!!!! shame since things were looking good for them to be a "trusted centre" up North.

[Lexxy_703]

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Hi Abbie,

I wouldn't trust National Tyres - they couldn't get one of my wheel nuts off so just balanced the tyre with it on! :tsktsk: Anyway.....thats a different topic.

Tracking is very different from Geometry. Tracking is very basic and just makes sure that the steering is not off centre.

Geometry is a complete check and adjustment of all the angles on your car and can (as in my case) transform your car if the angles are out. Geometry is ALOT more through and complex. I could try to (poorly explain with my limited knowledge) all the adjustments and things - but its much better to link to the maestros website - Tony:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/anthoney.bones/

He explains everything.

Good Luck!

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excellent! - full explanation, just what i was looking for - thanks Anees :D

National Tyres were very good, can't fault them - took real care with the alloys, said they could do the tracking but i'd be better off going to a 'specialist'. you can only go on your own experience with a company tho can't you? :duh:

anyway, i'm booked in at CTS wheels & tyres in Derby for Tues morning. he said the most i would end up paying would be £80 plus vat for front & rear (tracking? i think?? ) & rear camber - all adj reqd are inc in the £80. so that sounded pretty good.

let's see if my rocket ship drives even better after she's been tweeked! :winky:

[aido]

Interesting, I had everything done, tracking camber etc etc for 60 quid at Buxton...

If these guys are good I might pay them a visit!!

[Tony-Bones]

Interesting, I had everything done, tracking camber etc etc for 60 quid at Buxton...

If these guys are good I might pay them a visit!!

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Recommendation is the best angle "sorry for the pun" you can get for geometry set-up... but there is an underlying misunderstanding between four wheel alignment and full geometry, you need to be careful which one you have done!

i feel the main "deception" is the laser description of measurment.. example:

"four wheel laser alignment" reads as if all four wheels will be given total geometrical refference, fact is "four wheel alignment" is two dimentional.

a full geometry is globel geometricaly, three dimentional in measurment and conclusive in results, all IS200's must have a "full" geometry, because the car has a very fluid geometry and needs "TLC" and understanding, in addition four wheel alignment will not give you a print out, the IS's geometry is without doubt subject to driver profile so the print can allow for "fine tuning" to suit.

best advice is: when booking an alignment "ask" will it measure castor and kpi? only a full geometry can measure these angles.

[Tony-Bones]

Visited Drury Lane on Tuesday for a full geometry check.

Nice guys, and everything was done as explained.

No major problems just

" a small adjustment"  I was told.

This was done and everything is fine.

A point worth mentioning was the cost of the check, at £40.00 + vat, not a problem.

But do ask the cost of any adjustments as this could surprise you.

In my case the small adjustment cost a further £80.00 + vat.

Still at least I know everything is spot on now.

Thanks to Anees for the introduction.

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Do you have a copy of the Check sheet you could put up?

BTW - Nice to see you back Tony! :D

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Drury at last have set a price structure for LOC that i feel is valide for recommendation £25= test £16.50 per actual adjustment, only thing is that the adjustment fee is not "capped" so you will pay in full for all adjustments.

Anees used Drury and asked me to validate their work, which seems spot on but the cost seemingly flexible, "not now", that's good news for us all i think.

[Anees]

Drury at last have set a price structure for LOC that i feel is valide for recommendation £25= test £16.50 per actual adjustment, only thing is that the adjustment fee is not "capped" so you will pay in full for all adjustments.

Anees used Drury and asked me to validate their work, which seems spot on but the cost seemingly flexible, "not now", that's good news for us all i think.

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Great!! :D

Did Paul mention what machine they use by any chance?

[Tony-Bones]

Drury at last have set a price structure for LOC that i feel is valide for recommendation £25= test £16.50 per actual adjustment, only thing is that the adjustment fee is not "capped" so you will pay in full for all adjustments.

Anees used Drury and asked me to validate their work, which seems spot on but the cost seemingly flexible, "not now", that's good news for us all i think.

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Great!! :D

Did Paul mention what machine they use by any chance?

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Yes, the portfolio he sent to go on my site reads:

Machine:- Balco alignment + full geometry system.

the costing now is up front and the knowledge i feel is not in disput. i admire Drurys attitude for customer care since twice Paul has phoned me about Anees geometry, this is most unusual, he could have been subject to being put on the spot, but his questions only related the the geometry settings i suggested for Anees and "why". Drury so far is the only alignment centre i have come across that understands geometry is not by "the book".....

[Mr Morse]

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Hi Abbie,

I wouldn't trust National Tyres - they couldn't get one of my wheel nuts off so just balanced the tyre with it on! :tsktsk: Anyway.....thats a different topic.

Tracking is very different from Geometry. Tracking is very basic and just makes sure that the steering is not off centre.

Geometry is a complete check and adjustment of all the angles on your car and can (as in my case) transform your car if the angles are out. Geometry is ALOT more through and complex. I could try to (poorly explain with my limited knowledge) all the adjustments and things - but its much better to link to the maestros website - Tony:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/anthoney.bones/

He explains everything.

Good Luck!

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excellent! - full explanation, just what i was looking for - thanks Anees :D

National Tyres were very good, can't fault them - took real care with the alloys, said they could do the tracking but i'd be better off going to a 'specialist'. you can only go on your own experience with a company tho can't you? :duh:

anyway, i'm booked in at CTS wheels & tyres in Derby for Tues morning. he said the most i would end up paying would be £80 plus vat for front & rear (tracking? i think?? ) & rear camber - all adj reqd are inc in the £80. so that sounded pretty good.

let's see if my rocket ship drives even better after she's been tweeked! :winky:

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Did you pay a visit to CTS Derby? How did they do?

Need to get mine done in acouple of weeks after the new springs and roll bars have settled