Who You Voting For

[flotsam]

If you don't tax people, the money will be spent or saved.

If it is spent it creates jobs.

If it is saved the bank will invest it to again create jobs.

The Labour party, however, are funded by the unions.

The last thing unions want is:-

low unemployment, a highly skilled workforce and high skill employment with a lot of leverage. This would mean the unions would be redundant. With employment tribunals this is already technically the case.

Hence under Labour, they seize people's wealth to prevent investment in real jobs. They outsource skilled labour abroad and give ridiculous rights such as 12 months maternity/paternity leave. In return, they create no-skill, no leverage, government non-jobs which force people into union membership. At the same time they foster the illusion that Labour are helping them during difficult times when in reality it is Labour which is creating the poor job opportunities.

Worst still, the tax and red-tape regime deters foreign companies from investing in the UK. Had the Nissan, Toyota and Honda plants been planned now, they would have not invested in the UK.

There are now daily announcements of redundancies. Even Rover turned a profit under the Tories.

[Bobski]

I really dont know which way to vote this time round..........

I find it hard to believe the tories can do what they say they can. I can still remember 15% interest rates, and all the uk companies being sold off. And i just cant stand that howard fella....reminds me of a slimey weasel.

I dont want the lib dems, as they want me to pay more for my housing tax, so lazy barsteward down the raod doesnt.

I have no confidence in Labour, I think its time tony stepped down....he's lost the plot.

Veritas........sounds like a mineral water :)

UKIP..............what CAN you say.

I think ppl should have a permit to breed!

[Scorpion]

Im voting for (star a)...up the revolution.

Join here

:D :D

[peter026]

My wife found some old payslips of hers dated 1998,since then her pay has gone up £2.00 per hour.That is £50.00 per week or £200 per calender month.But thanks to Gordon and his tax and insurance rises,her take home pay per month is only£14 more than it was in 1998.

So taking inflation into account, she is now worse off than in 1998.

Something sucks here

[flotsam]

I really dont know which way to vote this time round..........

I find it hard to believe the tories can do what they say they can. I can still remember 15% interest rates, and all the uk companies being sold off. And i just cant stand that howard fella....reminds me of a slimey weasel.

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The low interest rates are world wide. Brown's lying as per usual when he tries to claim credit for it.

As for companies being sold off. Courts, Rover, Safeway, Woolworths, Dixons, French Connection, B&Q, Equitable Life, etc. All Big names, all going to the wall or already gone.

[jaylist]

My pension is still  worth something so the Government is trying to make me work longer before I can have it. Lib Dems are the only ones with a chance who haven't yet raped the country may as give them a chance

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Apart from the fact that they plan to spend 50 billion more than labour over the next 5 years. Where does this magical money come from. 50% tax on earners over 100,000 (who will leave the country in droves like last time there was a Supertax, thereby actually reducing the intended tax intake) oh and a little thing called LOCAL INCOME TAx. Basically anyone in a dual income family I.e both you and your wife earn would pay more. So anyone earning over the 28k would paya top rate of 45.5 tax (40% + 1 % NI + 4.5 local income tax).

My wife works from the NHS and I work in IT and I worked out we would pay double from out current council tax in the form of the new local income tax.

Would I pay this , would I :tsktsk: I would move abroad. Most of the southern counties would end up paying up to double council tax under the libe dems. :tsktsk:

Oh and they would give the vote to rapists and peadophiles while still in prison, abrogate our national border policy to brussels and create another layer of beaurocrats in the form of devolved regions.

If the lib dems ever get in power I am out of this country for good. (with my aristo), down the autobahn.

[jaylist]

I guess all LOC members (or the majority anyway) are not Labour voters. As such the poll is only representative of a moaning middle class? Comments

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Yeah us hard working familys are all moaners. We have the most to moan about.

[jaylist]

I guess all LOC members (or the majority anyway) are not Labour voters. As such the poll is only representative of a moaning middle class? Comments

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Yeah us hard working familys are all moaners. We have the most to moan about.

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After this election I am starting up my own party (seriously). I haven't got a name yet but plenty of ideas/

1 Flat tax 22% - no tax on first £12,000 of earnings.

Why - get rid of loads of inland revenue pen pushers, simple and fair tax, revenue neutral. Raises living standards of poorest without complex and expensive to administer tax credits.

2

Reduce and simplyfy benefits sytem.

Why , less tax to pay for the poorer due to no initial tax. So can streamline benefits.

3

Basic pension for everyone at at standard rate.

4

Discpline in schools/society. Introduce new civil responsabilitys act.

5

Free nursery places for all funded with voucher system.

Then everyone can work and pay taxes claiming less benefit. Children get a great start to life. Everyone can seek a work life balance.

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De-restricted motorway speeds , move speed camera off motorways and put them outisde schools and built up areas. Police will be instructed to arrest dangerous drivers rather than just fast drivers. More expanded motorways funded by another 2 billion a year investment.

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More defence spending , 200,000 troops.

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Life means life. Rapists and peadophile and multiple murders get life without chance of parole , ever.

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Three strikes and your out laws.

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More cops, less paperwork.

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Free uni education.

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Lower taxes for manufacturing. Re-build our industry base with Britain first industrial policy, modelled on the Japanese system.

And loads more, scrap all the quangos, re-direct overseas aid, private rapid transport implemented in urban areas, high speed trains linking all major citys.

Billions on science , nanotech, aerospace, gm etc.

Going to register the party after the election and create a website. Anyone interested in joining? Free membership to LOC members.

[Mr Morse]

I guess all LOC members (or the majority anyway) are not Labour voters. As such the poll is only representative of a moaning middle class? Comments

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Yeah us hard working familys are all moaners. We have the most to moan about.

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After this election I am starting up my own party (seriously). I haven't got a name yet but plenty of ideas/

1 Flat tax 22% - no tax on first £12,000 of earnings.

Why - get rid of loads of inland revenue pen pushers, simple and fair tax, revenue neutral. Raises living standards of poorest without complex and expensive to administer tax credits.

2

Reduce and simplyfy benefits sytem.

Why , less tax to pay for the poorer due to no initial tax. So can streamline benefits.

3

Basic pension for everyone at at standard rate.

4

Discpline in schools/society. Introduce new civil responsabilitys act.

5

Free nursery places for all funded with voucher system.

Then everyone can work and pay taxes claiming less benefit. Children get a great start to life. Everyone can seek a work life balance.

6

De-restricted motorway speeds , move speed camera off motorways and put them outisde schools and built up areas. Police will be instructed to arrest dangerous drivers rather than just fast drivers. More expanded motorways funded by another 2 billion a year investment.

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More defence spending , 200,000 troops.

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Life means life. Rapists and peadophile and multiple murders get life without chance of parole , ever.

9.

Three strikes and your out laws.

10.

More cops, less paperwork.

11.

Free uni education.

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Lower taxes for manufacturing. Re-build our industry base with Britain first industrial policy, modelled on the Japanese system.

And loads more, scrap all the quangos, re-direct overseas aid, private rapid transport implemented in urban areas, high speed trains linking all major citys.

Billions on science , nanotech, aerospace, gm etc.

Going to register the party after the election and create a website. Anyone interested in joining? Free membership to LOC members.

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Errr.....sounds very good

But how to plan on generating revenue to pay for all of this? :shutit:

[Monster-Mat]

i'll be your armed forces minister

[Scorpion]

i'll be your armed forces minister

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Im leaving the country then :)

On the list everything was o.k until i read no 10......surely you mean less old bill :winky:

[jaylist]

Errr.....sounds very good 

But how to plan on generating revenue to pay for all of this?  :shutit:

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Flat tax is revenu neutral , so it is tweaked to bring in the same amount of tax. The gershwin report commissioned by Labour says that £20 Billion can be saved, the report commisioned by the Conservatives says £35 billion can be saved,

Taking the lower figure as my base. We have up to £20 billion to re-invest. Also I would chanel the overseas aid budget. Which according to the gov will rise to £5.3 bilion by 2008.

I would invest £1 billion of this in R&D in this country to pay for development and free deployment of TB/malaria and Aids retrovirals. This has two advantages, it saves millions and millions of lives. And it keeps research and development in this country, and gives the drug companies an incentive do develop these costly drugs , which have little commercial value in them in a classical market.

I would use another 2 billion for 2 very specific overseas projects.

The rest of the money would be put back into the general pot.

I would save loads of money by not having a costly to administer revenue system , thus be able to reduce thousands of pen pushers in the inland revenu.

Already that is £22 Billion in the pool.

Remove 70% of the beaurocrats from Defra etc. Theres 700 Million in the Big Opportunitys fund (formerley the Orwellian sounding new opportunitys fund) this is currently going into schools and hospitals and has become part of the same general tax fund, not going to charitys , sport and arts etc.

Sell/give the train tracks to the train companys in retrurn for much less subsidy. See the excerpt below for interesting reading. The railways currntly recieve almost £4 Billion in rail subsidys.

I would use 2 Billion of that a year that to build brand new high speed links (400 mph+) between the major cities. Great boost for british manufcacturing as well! The train companys can ulise the network in an efficient way. Give any small line that loses it's rail fast and subsidised coach access. Cheaper , more regular and probably quicker.

Use the rest to invest in Personal Rapid Transport for London and rolled out to other major cities . We can use this as the cars eventual replacement , for the majority of inter urban transportation. Lower pollution, cheaper than building more tube, faster than bus and as personal as a car. Also build and manufactuer in Britain and gain a nice export line for the GDP boost. Can replace our car industry.

http://www.cprt.org/

http://www.skywebexpress.com/

There's billions if you look. We can spend the money more inteligently and reduce the size of govermnet whilst creating a real value add, scientific-industrial base from which to tackle the future .

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RAIL SUBSIDIES

Rail news & views | November 2003

05 November 2003

TEN years after the 1993 Railways Act received Royal Assent and began the process of privatisation, taxpayers’ support for Britain’s railways is now said to have risen three-fold.

Research carried out by rail journalist Roger Ford, and published in The Rising Cost of Britain's Railways by pressure group Transport 2000, shows support for the railways in 2003/04 is expected to total £3.84 billion.

By comparison, in British Rail's last year as operator of an integrated railway (1993-94) the total subsidy was £1.325 billion (at 2003/04 prices).

Revenue, which the proponents of privatisation expected to rise dramatically, has hardly increased at all. It was £4.94 billion in 1989/90 and is expected to be £5bn this year.

But the costs of many areas of work are now well in excess of twice those at privatisation, and in 1992/93 BR achieved nearly 90% of arrivals on time, while in 2002-03 the figure was just 80%.

Remember that the tax intake has rise massivley since 1997.

[jaylist]

i'll be your armed forces minister

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Im leaving the country then :)

On the list everything was o.k until i read no 10......surely you mean less old bill :winky:

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Cops are generally good They will spend less time persecuting law abiding people, and more time getting the real criminals. Remember no more 'speeding fines' on the motorways. Just dangerous driving etc. Or yeah, life imprisonment for heroin and crack dealers. Life meaning for the rest of their life with no chance of parole, ever.They are scum ruining lifes. :tsktsk:

Maybe all the police drive Altezzas! :winky:

[peter026]

i'll be your armed forces minister

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Im leaving the country then :)

On the list everything was o.k until i read no 10......surely you mean less old bill :winky:

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Cops are generally good They will spend less time persecuting law abiding people, and more time getting the real criminals. Remember no more 'speeding fines' on the motorways. Just dangerous driving etc. Or yeah, life imprisonment for heroin and crack dealers. Life meaning for the rest of their life with no chance of parole, ever.They are scum ruining lifes. :tsktsk:

Maybe all the police drive Altezzas! :winky:

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Great I'll be agricultural Sec,and allow farmers to plant trees if they wish without filling in forms in triplicate

[deejaygee]

yes thats the spirit lads...

forget the fact under Labour, all but the top 10% rich are actually poorer (as in money left after tax)

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Oh yeah that's right!!! and during the late 80's early 90's when I was priveliged to see mass unemployment and a rather bad recession.......whilst at Uni in fact nobody could get a job in my industry (construction) due to the recession. Since leaving Uni (during which there was a change in goverement) I have done extremely well and have a comfortable lifestyle.

I would rather have a few less pennies than no pennies at all under Mr Howard - this blokes a joke!!!!!!

[Monster-Mat]

Mr Howard - this blokes a joke!!!!!!

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indeed.never a truer word said!

[legendswraith]

a new political party hmm well that italian lass won it with porn why not with lexuses

and seeing as i have had an unfortunate incident today can we bring in on the spot execution for dogs fouling the pavements (dog and owner)

[alajota]

However bad Labour are..........the Conservatives are much worse

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The Devil you know is better than the CONSERVATIVE you don't know :tsktsk:

Sorry I meant to put devil :winky:

They are all the same

But I will be voting Labour :shutit:

Sorry

Just so that I know what I am up against instead of trying to figure out a new devil and his policies