New Model Is 220d

[TED]

In France, Lexus has clearly missed the fleet market of company cars, mainly because its high CO² emmisson level (195g/km) which leads to very high costs when compared to a BMW 320d.

For the first year, here are the significant differences:

At the end of the first year, that makes quite a huge difference between the two cars.

The ECO Bonus/malus is 200,00 € Bonus (you actually get money back) for the BMW and a 'malus' of 750 € for the Lexus, at that point there is already a 950.00 € difference.

Then the yearly tax (TVTS) based on CO² emission level. 640 € for the BMW and 2925 € for the Lexus. Then the gas mileage is really bad for the Lexus as well. So at the bottom of the spreadsheet, the Lexus clearly lost the war. :duh:

[dgman]

your figures are wrong, the 220 is 168g/km,back to the drawing board no revolution today. :

[Tango]

tango,you refer to the is220d engine technology as being three years behind the germans yet when i purchased my car i could not buy a common rail diesel with an nox particle filter at all from audi.

Yes it's not bad at reducing nitrogen oxides and particulate matter. It's probably also cleaner than some of the Mercedes too...is that why you bought it? If so you should have gone for the even cleaner BMW diesel engine.

[Matus]

it is a tragedy that some politic d---heads measure the ecology of the engine only regarding with the CO2 - jesus

In europe, producers still produce euro IV engines (say PSA with 2.0hdi in new C5) while toyota D4D 180k is on the market more than 4 years and it is euro V compliant.

When you walk in the city, CO2 won't harm you at all, while nitro oxides etc and particles will kill you.

This is makes very clear, why EU has problems and will have problems

[Mincey]

Their reply is to some extent ambiguous, but for what it's worth.....

That reminds me of the email I received from Lexus some years ago saying that they weren't going to be producing a diesel IS!!

[dgman]

could'nt agree more,nothing polluting about co2 trees love it. its merely a convenient excuse to further tax the already burdened tax payer.we get no incentive for buying a vehicle that reduces nox which is a real benefit to health.i don't know what the political situation is like in slovakia but here we have the biggest bunch of w*****s the world has ever seen as a government.

[TED]

your figures are wrong, the 220 is 168g/km,back to the drawing board no revolution today. :

No unfortunately my figures are correct. -_-

In a fisrt phase, the IS220d came in two flavors, standard gearbox ratio = 168g/km and pack Sport gearbox ratio = 195g/km.

Then for a number of reasons (some of them being customers complaining) , Lexus decided to go only for the sport type package with the "short" gearbox ratio and therefore associated with the 195 g/km emission level.

http://www.lexus.fr/Images/Specs_et_Equipe...m602-793185.pdf

[TED]

it is a tragedy that some politic d---heads measure the ecology of the engine only regarding with the CO2 - jesus

In europe, producers still produce euro IV engines (say PSA with 2.0hdi in new C5) while toyota D4D 180k is on the market more than 4 years and it is euro V compliant.

When you walk in the city, CO2 won't harm you at all, while nitro oxides etc and particles will kill you.

This is makes very clear, why EU has problems and will have problems

I fully agree with this statement, politics are clearly pushing Diesel engines forward which is a major mistake for our future.

[dgman]

tango,you refer to the is220d engine technology as being three years behind the germans yet when i purchased my car i could not buy a common rail diesel with an nox particle filter at all from audi.

Yes it's not bad at reducing nitrogen oxides and particulate matter. It's probably also cleaner than some of the Mercedes too...is that why you bought it? If so you should have gone for the even cleaner BMW diesel engine.

just trying to point out the inaccuracies in your post.as to the bmw i felt that it was poor value for money.btw have you considered my offer of £25 for the"mongrel" discs.

[dgman]

your figures are wrong, the 220 is 168g/km,back to the drawing board no revolution today. :

No unfortunately my figures are correct. -_-

In a fisrt phase, the IS220d came in two flavors, standard gearbox ratio = 168g/km and pack Sport gearbox ratio = 195g/km.

Then for a number of reasons (some of them being customers complaining) , Lexus decided to go only for the sport type package with the "short" gearbox ratio and therefore associated with the 195 g/km emission level.

http://www.lexus.fr/Images/Specs_et_Equipe...m602-793185.pdf

my apologies ted,i did'nt realise that you were refering to the sport spec.is this situation unique to france?

[mrak]

In a fisrt phase, the IS220d came in two flavors, standard gearbox ratio = 168g/km and pack Sport gearbox ratio = 195g/km.

Then for a number of reasons (some of them being customers complaining) , Lexus decided to go only for the sport type package with the "short" gearbox ratio and therefore associated with the 195 g/km emission level.

Same thing in Croatia,

here you can buy standard gearbox ratio only in plain IS, if you decide for luxury or sport package it will always come with sport gearbox ratio (in fact it is rear axle ratio).

[Matus]

same in Slovakia

[Matus]

could'nt agree more,nothing polluting about co2 trees love it. its merely a convenient excuse to further tax the already burdened tax payer.we get no incentive for buying a vehicle that reduces nox which is a real benefit to health.i don't know what the political situation is like in slovakia but here we have the biggest bunch of w*****s the world has ever seen as a government.

after 8 years of right (you say "democratic"?) situated coalition, in 2006 our "smarter" part of nation decided that the socialists are better, so now we are getting in deeper sh*it then ever :-(