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I am getting more and more concerned with the what Mods are becoming on this club.

Here are my concerns, of which I hope the relevant people will address and comment on to assist my understanding and others.

Firstly, Redz_UK commented on why a certain member has a username which promotes a company, and that member not being a trader. Please can someone clarify whether that breaks T&C's of LOC if so the appropriate action will be taken?

Secondly, the issuing of warnings seem to be getting out of control. The below warning was given by a mod to a member and the reason was given "weekend is here" now is it me or whats going on here?

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Now another member has only commented that he/she also recieved the same warning, and has a screenshot of this, of which I welcome for it to be posted here as evidence. I have been given a warning for going off topic, which I will put my hands up, but was not given a reason such as "Its a wednesday" I was given the reason which is fair. Please can other mods comment whether this is the way of the club?

Thirdly, in connection to my thread found here Link a mod made the comment of:

"now, you say you have left, but you still seem to be here ?

goodbye !"

A mod basically saying get lost? or am i wrong and seeing the wrong side of it. It cleary states in the T&C's:

"We take the "be polite" rule VERY seriously! We will not tolerate ANY rudeness or swearing"

Please can it be clarified whether this rule is for members and mods or just members?

Just some points which I would like clarifing, if mods feel that there dont have to answer to me, then fair enough, that will get the right message across to the club and its members.

P.S please can i ask all member to ensure all comments placed are within T&C's, I have not broken any of them by writing the above, as much of it are facts.

Many Thanks

Saraj

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oh dear........

but there does seem to be a common factor in all the recent "issues"...................................................

It also appears (unless I have missed it) steve has not yet replied or given explanation into the suspension of 2 members to the club when he promised to do so.

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the "warning" has been explained to both party's involved

it was a mistake and has been rectified

maybe the members who were quite willing to post the details up, would also be willing to explain the situation to others

saraj you come on here to tell us of a wonderful place you have found and that you are leaving us for them

i wished you luck

it does seem strange when someone puts a post up to say they are leaving, and yet continue posting, with a self promotion of this other club being inserted at every possible chance

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still no answer or action re usernames breaking t's and c's.. or my request to edit posts in another thread yet i now get 10% warning for taking off topic??

do you pick what t's and c's to enforce??

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the "warning" has been explained to both party's involved

it was a mistake and has been rectified

maybe the members who were quite willing to post the details up, would also be willing to explain the situation to others

Hi Barrie,

at your request, the situation is as follows :)

I see you came up with an excuse some 4 hours after being exposed to all...

Warnings.jpg

So here is the reason you are giving me for the warning

BazzaWarningExcuse.jpg

So from your message you are telling me a man with your experience as Management (moderator)

can make a mistake. Fair enough some might say. For someone so highly experienced to make

exactly the same mistake to different members accounts is taking it a bit far....

Then on top of all that a very very seriously relevant point needs to be remembered.

The 1 month Ban/Account suspension was due to expire anyway less than 12 hours later !!!

(a ban incorrectly applied I might add)

Also if your reason/excuse is to be believed by Rabster, myself and other LOC members, is it not a

reasonable assumption to expect a pm to notify Rabster and myself to notify us that you were ending the

ban/suspension early so that we could then be aware of it, and then start posting on LOC some 11 hours early ?

No such pm was received.

I will let members make their own minds up as to your real reason Barrie, but to be honest I feel to believe it

at face value, would stretch my imagination beyond any kind of reasonable limits.

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yes wozza

a whole 4 hours ......some of us do have a life outside of internet forums

i can not spend 24 hours of every day here, and cant imagine any one would expect me to

mind you it took you and rabster a whole 3 days to comment

and took you over 8 hours to come back on this subject

yes it was a mistake, i have never admitted to being perfect :whistling:

i ended the suspensions early because i know you had organised a meet on the sunday, and thought it would give you the chance to give it some promotion

as i saw that on loc facebook you were asking for help

i also posted on loc facebook that the suspensions had ended, on the fact that if you thought you were still under suspensions that you wouldnt recieve a pm and therefore wouldnt be logging in to loc

the fact is as soon as i was made aware of the problem i rectified it

in no time did you or rabster question it until you thought it necessary to post it up at large, until that point i was totally unaware that anything was wrong

in fact the ban had 36 hours left to run, i reduced it to 1hour which was the minimum time i could apply

as you are so good at posting logs maybe you could post your latest up to date one !!

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Incorrect pressing of button ??? :unsure: whats the correct way ???

i see a warning bar

if i press red button it takes me into the warn/suspension section

what i didnt realise is that it adds a warning

if i press the green button it takes me into the same section but decreases the warning

there doesnt seem to be an action which allows you in without doing one or the other

the warnings were not being altered, it was the suspension that was

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still no answer or action re usernames breaking t's and c's.. or my request to edit posts in another thread yet i now get 10% warning for taking off topic??

do you pick what t's and c's to enforce??

the user names that i believe are in question, are subject to special permission at present

they are either ex traders or current traders and have been around ages

this has been a management decision

not sure what your request re:editing is/was please let me know

everyone was warned that they faced a warning if the posts were off topic, everyone who posted off topic got a warning !

yes T&C'S are applied to fit the situation and at our discretion

the same way that it would be very unlikely that you would get a speeding fine when you were doing 32 in a 30 mph limit

i guess you would feel unjustified but in reality the law says you were in the wrong

if we took action on every misdemeanour we would be here forever and the club would suffer

there are many T&C's being broken everyday,

in theory your signature is breaking T&C's :whistling:

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Incorrect pressing of button ??? :unsure: whats the correct way ???

i see a warning bar

if i press red button it takes me into the warn/suspension section

what i didnt realise is that it adds a warning

if i press the green button it takes me into the same section but decreases the warning

there doesnt seem to be an action which allows you in without doing one or the other

the warnings were not being altered, it was the suspension that was

Ahh i see :)

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it took you and rabster a whole 3 days to comment

and took you over 8 hours to come back on this subject

Firstly I had made comment via Pm to another member of the LOC

Management Team about it via pm. I didn't feel it would need to be exposed

on LOC of further persecution/whitch hunt. However I then posted on the JAE

thread as you seemed to be in confusion/daze as to what Stav meant.

As for the 8 hours ...

to come back on this subject by the time I got home after work last night

(as you might be aware I am a DJ so it means I work late and get back in the early hours of the morning)

the time was approx 2.30 or so. After some sleep (I guess you will allow me that ?) I have then come back on

LOC, and replied to you fairly shortly after you have asked me to..

8 hours ? More like 90 minutes and that included much needed sleep plus

A. screen capture or the pm,

B. webhosting it,

and

C. then writing my reply to your request.

I ended the suspensions early because I know you had organised a meet on the sunday, and thought it would give you the chance to give it some promotion as I saw that on loc facebook you were asking for help

Incorrect Barrie :)

Y2Kanjar had posted/organised the meet.

Yes I had asked for help in publicising the meet as I had no LOC account access. A not unreasonable request surely ?

i also posted on loc facebook that the suspensions had ended, on the fact that if you thought you were still under suspensions that you wouldnt recieve a pm and therefore wouldnt be logging in to loc

I was not aware of this, but have just checked the faceboog group and no message is there. I am not saying it wasn't there Barrie, but it isn't there now.

Now before you ask, I did not remove it.

On the pm issue, I would have received an email notifying me of the pm, wether I could have accesed it or not (same as I did many times during my suspension from LOC membrs needing advice on ICE topics, these pm's I couldn't access). If the suspension was being removed, by definition I would then have had no problem accessing a pm if you had sent it ?

the fact is as soon as i was made aware of the problem i rectified it

in no time did you or rabster question it until you thought it necessary to post

it up at large, until that point i was totally unaware that anything was wrong

in fact the ban had 36 hours left to run, i reduced it to 1hour which was the

minimum time i could apply

Barrie you contradict yourself here :)

Firstly you say "a whole 4 hours" yet here in your reply you say

"as soon as i was made aware of the problem i rectified it"

Pure contradiction !

Also the ban was to finish 11+ hours later, not 36 ;)

in no time did you or rabster question it until you thought it necessary to post

it up at large, until that point i was totally unaware that anything was wrong

in fact the ban had 36 hours left to run, i reduced it to 1hour which was the

minimum time i could apply

I cannot speak comprehensively for Rabster, but I do believe he also reported the issue to a member of the LOC management Team. If you had made the other members of the Management Team aware of your ending of the suspensions early, I certainly wouldn't

have got a mistified response in regards to it in my pm reply from another member of the Management Team.

The reason I didn't take the issue directly up with yourself via pm, is last time I asked you questions via that needed answering, you blatantly side stepped them in an effort to avoid them altogether. Still, weighing it up, I suppose a side step might have been better than no reply at all, twice !! (another moderator who side steps issues, but this one doesn't reply at all)

I believe the editing issue Redz is talking about is Janey's continued use of Redz first name, even when he has mentioned on LOC before that he does not want it disclosed on the forum, and asked her again yesterday to stop using it, and edit her posts that did use it. That is something she still hasn't done. I just checked. If you ned the link Barrie I can pm it to you if you wish.

there are many T&C's being broken everyday,

in theory your signature is breaking T&C's :whistling:

I do hope this isn't directed at me ?

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still no answer or action re usernames breaking t's and c's.. or my request to edit posts in another thread yet i now get 10% warning for taking off topic??

do you pick what t's and c's to enforce??

the user names that i believe are in question, are subject to special permission at present

they are either ex traders or current traders and have been around ages

this has been a management decision

not sure what your request re:editing is/was please let me know

everyone was warned that they faced a warning if the posts were off topic, everyone who posted off topic got a warning !

yes T&C'S are applied to fit the situation and at our discretion

the same way that it would be very unlikely that you would get a speeding fine when you were doing 32 in a 30 mph limit

i guess you would feel unjustified but in reality the law says you were in the wrong

if we took action on every misdemeanour we would be here forever and the club would suffer

there are many T&C's being broken everyday,

in theory your signature is breaking T&C's :whistling:

so who warns you?? do you get a warning when you go off topic?

why is it then that Dave himself stated that monster mat had told him not to post with that username?

i have reported the posts that i wanted editing, and also pointed it out on the thread must be that selective reading that you seem to have..

The club has already suffered bazza,IMO down to the way that issues are dealt with..

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Right ok finally we getting somewhere, the warnings have been explained and the username t&c's has been explained.

what about the third point being rude? Please can you provide examples where self-promotion of this other club?? and isnt it your job to change the moral on LOC and try your best to keep members? But instead you comment in a way which is rude.

And you didnt answer the question, are the T&C's for members only? and not mods/admin, please read my first post and the third section for more details

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well if the moderation team had been made aware that my suspension was being removed early the hours of this are debatable as there are contradictions, why did i get a response telling me the issue was being looked into this email was received by me on the 6/7/09

i emailed the MOD/ADMIN's that i have contact details for on the 5/7/09

The reason i did not go direct to you Barrie was plain and simple based on the fact your wife suspended me then you added to my warning level with the supposed reason of reducing it i find hard to swallow all this with no email to tell me abut it when your wife has my email address

im sure even you can see that it looked rather suspect and more like another direct attack.....

the only reason in my mind that you saw the supposed error was due to the fact you were going to issue another warning despite i posted more than once that the topic in question should ahve been put back on topic, mind you not that this matters as im sure just seeing my name is like a red rag to a bull...

I have grave concerns with how things happen it seems more and more apparent that there is no communication about the actions taken with the rest of the team

but this is up to the team to discuss as the fact that the remaining numbers in the club are not happy but it seems the members don’t count

Sorry if this post is seem to be off topic but it does cover the questions raised and i shall now be staying clear for a while as i don’t want another warning suspension or harassment from any members on here that seem to be above the law

Andrew

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I can't help but think that maybe the best way forward for everyone would be a complete amnesty. Drop all the warnings, bans etc, except those for really obvious spamming, bad language etc. Let bygones be bygones and all that.

We seem to get posts complaining about mods, users, bans etc every couple of weeks, which means there is regularly a thread on such matters on the front page of the forum. I'm sure this does not give a good impression of our little community to passing visitors, and to be honest it doesn't give a good impression of our little community to those of us who've been here for a while.

I've not done moderating or forum management, and I don't really have a wish too. I spend an hour or so most days, on and off, on this board and I only go into a few sections. I think perhaps a third of all the sections on here I've never even once been in to view. How the mods manage to find time to trawl through every post looking for unsuitable content that could damage the club I've no idea - so hats off to them for having the time, energy and inclination to run the club as well as they do.

I think there will always be little spats between some members and management, and perhaps it says as much about those members as it does about the management. I've been here about 3 years and have never once received a warning, and when I look back at one or two posts I've written I do think 'perhaps that warranted a warning'. We're all human, and if certain members wind up management/mods, perhaps it's not surprising that a closer eye is placed on what they write?

Perhaps different people have different expectations of the club. All I want from it is a place for like-minded people, with a common interest in Lexus cars, to exchange messages, helpful hints and suggestions, or thoughts on various matters depending which section you're in, etc. I don't regard it as being some massive thing with a public image to uphold in the way a corporate entity might wish to control it's dealings with the public - careful PR, being 'on message' with everything etc. For that reason, I don't particularly agree with the strength of the enforcement of things like bad language and limited advertising (as distinct from outright spamming) - but then since I don't run the club and have no real wish to be involved in doing so, I just go along with it and accept it for what it is.

Anyway, it's turned into a bit of a ramble, but at the end of the day - this is a public place, and frankly it's not that important a place. If you get banned for doing something against the rules, either mend your ways, or don't stick around here. It really isn't worth getting all worked up, arguing in public about who said what to whom and precisely when, 'why did i get a ban when Little Johnny didn't' etc etc. Sometimes it's all a bit playground... relax people. It's an internet car forum, not the UN!!

:flowers::flowers::flowers:

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I can't help but think that maybe the best way forward for everyone would be a complete amnesty. Drop all the warnings, bans etc, except those for really obvious spamming, bad language etc. Let bygones be bygones and all that.

We seem to get posts complaining about mods, users, bans etc every couple of weeks, which means there is regularly a thread on such matters on the front page of the forum. I'm sure this does not give a good impression of our little community to passing visitors, and to be honest it doesn't give a good impression of our little community to those of us who've been here for a while.

I've not done moderating or forum management, and I don't really have a wish too. I spend an hour or so most days, on and off, on this board and I only go into a few sections. I think perhaps a third of all the sections on here I've never even once been in to view. How the mods manage to find time to trawl through every post looking for unsuitable content that could damage the club I've no idea - so hats off to them for having the time, energy and inclination to run the club as well as they do.

I think there will always be little spats between some members and management, and perhaps it says as much about those members as it does about the management. I've been here about 3 years and have never once received a warning, and when I look back at one or two posts I've written I do think 'perhaps that warranted a warning'. We're all human, and if certain members wind up management/mods, perhaps it's not surprising that a closer eye is placed on what they write?

Perhaps different people have different expectations of the club. All I want from it is a place for like-minded people, with a common interest in Lexus cars, to exchange messages, helpful hints and suggestions, or thoughts on various matters depending which section you're in, etc. I don't regard it as being some massive thing with a public image to uphold in the way a corporate entity might wish to control it's dealings with the public - careful PR, being 'on message' with everything etc. For that reason, I don't particularly agree with the strength of the enforcement of things like bad language and limited advertising (as distinct from outright spamming) - but then since I don't run the club and have no real wish to be involved in doing so, I just go along with it and accept it for what it is.

Anyway, it's turned into a bit of a ramble, but at the end of the day - this is a public place, and frankly it's not that important a place. If you get banned for doing something against the rules, either mend your ways, or don't stick around here. It really isn't worth getting all worked up, arguing in public about who said what to whom and precisely when, 'why did i get a ban when Little Johnny didn't' etc etc. Sometimes it's all a bit playground... relax people. It's an internet car forum, not the UN!!

:flowers::flowers::flowers:

Have to agree with you mate, can't the individuals involved (mods and users) let bygones be bygones and move forward?

End of the day we have one common interest that brings us all together and that is our love for the Lexus brand.

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I can't help but think that maybe the best way forward for everyone would be a complete amnesty. Drop all the warnings, bans etc, except those for really obvious spamming, bad language etc. Let bygones be bygones and all that.

We seem to get posts complaining about mods, users, bans etc every couple of weeks, which means there is regularly a thread on such matters on the front page of the forum. I'm sure this does not give a good impression of our little community to passing visitors, and to be honest it doesn't give a good impression of our little community to those of us who've been here for a while.

I've not done moderating or forum management, and I don't really have a wish too. I spend an hour or so most days, on and off, on this board and I only go into a few sections. I think perhaps a third of all the sections on here I've never even once been in to view. How the mods manage to find time to trawl through every post looking for unsuitable content that could damage the club I've no idea - so hats off to them for having the time, energy and inclination to run the club as well as they do.

I think there will always be little spats between some members and management, and perhaps it says as much about those members as it does about the management. I've been here about 3 years and have never once received a warning, and when I look back at one or two posts I've written I do think 'perhaps that warranted a warning'. We're all human, and if certain members wind up management/mods, perhaps it's not surprising that a closer eye is placed on what they write?

Perhaps different people have different expectations of the club. All I want from it is a place for like-minded people, with a common interest in Lexus cars, to exchange messages, helpful hints and suggestions, or thoughts on various matters depending which section you're in, etc. I don't regard it as being some massive thing with a public image to uphold in the way a corporate entity might wish to control it's dealings with the public - careful PR, being 'on message' with everything etc. For that reason, I don't particularly agree with the strength of the enforcement of things like bad language and limited advertising (as distinct from outright spamming) - but then since I don't run the club and have no real wish to be involved in doing so, I just go along with it and accept it for what it is.

Anyway, it's turned into a bit of a ramble, but at the end of the day - this is a public place, and frankly it's not that important a place. If you get banned for doing something against the rules, either mend your ways, or don't stick around here. It really isn't worth getting all worked up, arguing in public about who said what to whom and precisely when, 'why did i get a ban when Little Johnny didn't' etc etc. Sometimes it's all a bit playground... relax people. It's an internet car forum, not the UN!!

:flowers::flowers::flowers:

Have to agree with you mate, can't the individuals involved (mods and users) let bygones be bygones and move forward?

End of the day we have one common interest that brings us all together and that is our love for the Lexus brand.

I tried this i let bygons be bygons i stayed away when i was suspended without notice, came back from my suspension to find i had been given a warning the day before i came back

its hard to move on when other keep changing the goal posts as i stated in an email to steve i was happy to come back once it had all finished but now many users dont feel wanted and its ruining the club IMHO but hey ill get a warning now

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I can't help but think that maybe the best way forward for everyone would be a complete amnesty. Drop all the warnings, bans etc, except those for really obvious spamming, bad language etc. Let bygones be bygones and all that.

We seem to get posts complaining about mods, users, bans etc every couple of weeks, which means there is regularly a thread on such matters on the front page of the forum. I'm sure this does not give a good impression of our little community to passing visitors, and to be honest it doesn't give a good impression of our little community to those of us who've been here for a while.

I've not done moderating or forum management, and I don't really have a wish too. I spend an hour or so most days, on and off, on this board and I only go into a few sections. I think perhaps a third of all the sections on here I've never even once been in to view. How the mods manage to find time to trawl through every post looking for unsuitable content that could damage the club I've no idea - so hats off to them for having the time, energy and inclination to run the club as well as they do.

I think there will always be little spats between some members and management, and perhaps it says as much about those members as it does about the management. I've been here about 3 years and have never once received a warning, and when I look back at one or two posts I've written I do think 'perhaps that warranted a warning'. We're all human, and if certain members wind up management/mods, perhaps it's not surprising that a closer eye is placed on what they write?

Perhaps different people have different expectations of the club. All I want from it is a place for like-minded people, with a common interest in Lexus cars, to exchange messages, helpful hints and suggestions, or thoughts on various matters depending which section you're in, etc. I don't regard it as being some massive thing with a public image to uphold in the way a corporate entity might wish to control it's dealings with the public - careful PR, being 'on message' with everything etc. For that reason, I don't particularly agree with the strength of the enforcement of things like bad language and limited advertising (as distinct from outright spamming) - but then since I don't run the club and have no real wish to be involved in doing so, I just go along with it and accept it for what it is.

Anyway, it's turned into a bit of a ramble, but at the end of the day - this is a public place, and frankly it's not that important a place. If you get banned for doing something against the rules, either mend your ways, or don't stick around here. It really isn't worth getting all worked up, arguing in public about who said what to whom and precisely when, 'why did i get a ban when Little Johnny didn't' etc etc. Sometimes it's all a bit playground... relax people. It's an internet car forum, not the UN!!

:flowers::flowers::flowers:

I agree with the above to a certain extent, however, the forum takes money (Gold membership fees) and sponsorship and is therefore a business. It should be accountable for its actions to those who pay for it. I have had reason to question actions of mods on here recently, one in particular who removed members posts and amended his own so that a conversation that took place never "appeared" to have happened, that is totally unacceptable in my opinion. The only thing I will say is, despite everything, I will continue to help fellow members when I can, regardless of whether I think there are some questionable members of staff on here.

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Firstly I had made comment via Pm to another member of the LOC

Management Team about it via pm. I didn't feel it would need to be exposed

on LOC of further persecution/whitch hunt. However I then posted on the JAE

thread as you seemed to be in confusion/daze as to what Stav meant.

maybe it might have been better to have come to me as it was in my name

you say you didnt feel the need to expose further persecution/witch hunt

but then you did post it ? slight contradiction i think

obviously you have talked to other people but at no time did you think to speak to me

As for the 8 hours ...

to come back on this subject by the time I got home after work last night

(as you might be aware I am a DJ so it means I work late and get back in the early hours of the morning)

the time was approx 2.30 or so. After some sleep (I guess you will allow me that ?) I have then come back on

LOC, and replied to you fairly shortly after you have asked me to..

8 hours ? More like 90 minutes and that included much needed sleep plus

A. screen capture or the pm,

B. webhosting it,

and

C. then writing my reply to your request.

i understand completly my point was that you pointed out it took me 4 hours to do something, yet fail to notice i wasnt on for the 4 hours in question

Incorrect Barrie :)

Y2Kanjar had posted/organised the meet.

Yes I had asked for help in publicising the meet as I had no LOC account access. A not unreasonable request surely ?

and not an unreasonable gesture on my behalf

I was not aware of this, but have just checked the faceboog group and no message is there. I am not saying it wasn't there Barrie, but it isn't there now.

Now before you ask, I did not remove it.

On the pm issue, I would have received an email notifying me of the pm, wether I could have accesed it or not (same as I did many times during my suspension from LOC membrs needing advice on ICE topics, these pm's I couldn't access). If the suspension was being removed, by definition I would then have had no problem accessing a pm if you had sent it ?

and very strangely i have been removed from loc facebook :whistling:

Barrie you contradict yourself here :)

Firstly you say "a whole 4 hours" yet here in your reply you say

"as soon as i was made aware of the problem i rectified it"

Pure contradiction !

Also the ban was to finish 11+ hours later, not 36 ;)

you were the one who stated it took me 4 hours !

the fact that i wasnt on the forums between asking stav the question and me then rectifying the warnings, so yes i did carry it out as soon as i possibly could

the suspensions had 36 hours left to run

i know because i have a countdown timer that clearly tells me

you however didnt have access to it and as you have done in the past you miscalculated the length (as with scorps )

I cannot speak comprehensively for Rabster, but I do believe he also reported the issue to a member of the LOC management Team. If you had made the other members of the Management Team aware of your ending of the suspensions early, I certainly wouldn't

have got a mistified response in regards to it in my pm reply from another member of the Management Team.

The reason I didn't take the issue directly up with yourself via pm, is last time I asked you questions via that needed answering, you blatantly side stepped them in an effort to avoid them altogether. Still, weighing it up, I suppose a side step might have been better than no reply at all, twice !! (another moderator who side steps issues, but this one doesn't reply at all)

I believe the editing issue Redz is talking about is Janey's continued use of Redz first name, even when he has mentioned on LOC before that he does not want it disclosed on the forum, and asked her again yesterday to stop using it, and edit her posts that did use it. That is something she still hasn't done. I just checked. If you ned the link Barrie I can pm it to you if you wish.

maybe redz can sort his own matters out !

there are many T&C's being broken everyday,

in theory your signature is breaking T&C's :whistling:

I do hope this isn't directed at me ?

why would you even contemplate that it was

it was in a direct reply to another member

the whole point of this is the fact that i made a mistake, to that i put my hands up

but the fact that people want to make such a big deal about something, to as usual twist everything to suit themselves,

perhaps its time to stand back and look at what you are trying to achieve

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I can't help but think that maybe the best way forward for everyone would be a complete amnesty. Drop all the warnings, bans etc, except those for really obvious spamming, bad language etc. Let bygones be bygones and all that.

We seem to get posts complaining about mods, users, bans etc every couple of weeks, which means there is regularly a thread on such matters on the front page of the forum. I'm sure this does not give a good impression of our little community to passing visitors, and to be honest it doesn't give a good impression of our little community to those of us who've been here for a while.

I've not done moderating or forum management, and I don't really have a wish too. I spend an hour or so most days, on and off, on this board and I only go into a few sections. I think perhaps a third of all the sections on here I've never even once been in to view. How the mods manage to find time to trawl through every post looking for unsuitable content that could damage the club I've no idea - so hats off to them for having the time, energy and inclination to run the club as well as they do.

I think there will always be little spats between some members and management, and perhaps it says as much about those members as it does about the management. I've been here about 3 years and have never once received a warning, and when I look back at one or two posts I've written I do think 'perhaps that warranted a warning'. We're all human, and if certain members wind up management/mods, perhaps it's not surprising that a closer eye is placed on what they write?

Perhaps different people have different expectations of the club. All I want from it is a place for like-minded people, with a common interest in Lexus cars, to exchange messages, helpful hints and suggestions, or thoughts on various matters depending which section you're in, etc. I don't regard it as being some massive thing with a public image to uphold in the way a corporate entity might wish to control it's dealings with the public - careful PR, being 'on message' with everything etc. For that reason, I don't particularly agree with the strength of the enforcement of things like bad language and limited advertising (as distinct from outright spamming) - but then since I don't run the club and have no real wish to be involved in doing so, I just go along with it and accept it for what it is.

Anyway, it's turned into a bit of a ramble, but at the end of the day - this is a public place, and frankly it's not that important a place. If you get banned for doing something against the rules, either mend your ways, or don't stick around here. It really isn't worth getting all worked up, arguing in public about who said what to whom and precisely when, 'why did i get a ban when Little Johnny didn't' etc etc. Sometimes it's all a bit playground... relax people. It's an internet car forum, not the UN!!

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totally agree

great post

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i think wozza is just pointing you to the posts as i have done quite a few times but again its the selective reading that seems to be common..

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I don't really want to get involved in this as everything happened pretty much while I've been away, the only thing I'll say was that I did notice Bazza's post in the Facebook group the other day, I don't know if that's disappeared due to him being removed from the group though as the last one on there is one of mine now about the 308.

It's a shame all this is kicking off as I like to get on with everyone and was hoping to meet up with Wozza and Bazza last week but as things turned out I saw none of them, as something else cropped up (although in the end she didn't touch it anyway!) :D

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i think wozza is just pointing you to the posts as i have done quite a few times but again its the selective reading that seems to be common..

i asked you to let me know earlier in this thread

your answer :

i have reported the posts that i wanted editing, and also pointed it out on the thread must be that selective reading that you seem to have..

you havent reported them to me

so how am i meant to deal with it

you accuse me of selective reading, but surely you dont expect me to be able to read every post !

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yep can understand you cant read every post, but what about the first one which started this thread?

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