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Welcome to the LOC, there's a little info on here about keeping the Ls460 good and well ..............but don't forget to deal with the radiator issue before it's too long in the tooth . as you're keeping it a while Malc

This. I love the fact that I can gently squeeze my throttle and get up to speed reasonably quickly as opposed to working the engine hard. There are also other examples of when it is useful to have the power in reserve: Moving away from traffic lights, or overtaking slower traffic. The second one is especially important to me since I have to commute through 10 miles of single lane carriageway. There are a few overtaking opportunities, and you don't require plenty of power to get by (my old IS220d used to do just fine), but it is nice to know I can perform the manoeuvre with lots of room to spare. Also, just because our roads are speed limited, there is no mandate on how quickly we approach the speed limit. Personally, I prefer the accelerate harder then coast method, so the ability to gain speed quickly makes this much easier.

Welcome to the LOC. I haven't had any wind noise problems on my 460 but this is the solution advocated on the US forum: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls-4th-gen-2007-2017/506217-instructions-for-the-jmcraney-wind-noise-fix.html

Bonus answers: Speed yesterday but I was limited to 140 due to the winter tyres speed index 🙂 I normally floor it only while joining motorways or accelerating in Germany from 60mph to 120mph. It quite often a surprise to those Skoda superb/A4 TDI driver in the back. They normally stay behind from 100 area. I'm driving to Poland (through Germany) 3-4times per year. That is why I couldn't live with 300h, but for most peoples I guess it would be sufficient. Like Linas.P I disappointed Lexus decided to forget about few % of its customer who expect/need a bit more. I'm really interested to see sale chart of new ES in Germany. I got feeling it won't be the best selling car out there.

There is one more aspect about acceleration and top speed. It is way better/comfortable/pleasant to accelerate in 8s to 60mph in a car which can do it in 5s rather than maxing out a car which can do it in 7.5s. I don't like to press pedal that hard and hear that engine is struggling (especially in CVT). I don't have anything to back it but I also assume it is way healthier to the engine to work at 40-50% capacity rather 90-100%. I believe there was some classic top gear were they were proving that M5 can burn less fuel that some ordinary car when driven to 100% small car capacity but only 30% of M5. Same goes to top speed. I don't do normally 155mph in Germany as it will dry out petrol tank very quickly. My average is 110-130mph and driving/accelerating to that speed is way more comfortable when I don't need to max out to get there. PS. Did you know that cruise control don't work over 130mph ? 🙂

wow... you blew me away here - almost felt out of my chair. Yes - I expect a lot more after 20 years... Crowded roads and all other stuff - we need to take it to the streets burn politicians and get the democracy back. All the rules are undemocratic and outright imposed upon motorists, with pretty much single justifications - make more money. I am not saying you are wrong, road indeed are more crowded, indeed a lot of "dumb" and outright illegal calming features and cameras on every corner, BUT - if you giving up the driving joy altogether, what is the point to have luxury car anyway. Any 1.1l trash can would do just to get from a to b... Luxury car never meant to be very sensible and the speed or acceleration is there just as a status or sort of psychological factor of knowing it is there if you need it. Except of Germany, no country in the world allows 155MPH on any road - still all luxury cars car capable of doing it... just because.. If luxury car doesn't do it - then it is not luxury car, then it is more comparable with ordinary cars for half a price.

Adam, please watch the link below it is a real world review from Motomantv how is the car as daily driver. outcome is that he prefers the hybrid to the 6 cylinder so it does not seem to be that bad after all.... the 0-60 figs just like the topspeed are just irrelevant to me. it is about how the car feels, drives, behaves in traffic. I have not driven one yet so cannot give a balanced view so until that moment... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_xl81zMCMY

Some interesting opinions here. One issue I'd like to raise is the demand for an ES to be fast. Lets be frank how many of us really want to put a motor about these days?? Britain's roads are crowded, full of speed traps, full of speed calming measures and have an increasing amount of unpredictable and incompetent drivers being allowed onto our roads. Last year I'd driven my girlfriend's Focus ST for just 20 minutes on Stornoway and received an SP30 for the privilege of having a bit of 10-15 over fun on a very open road. Also received a speed awareness course the same month for roaring out of Luton Airport at 8 over on a dual carriageway. Then only a month later got a warning from TFL having done 25 in a 20! My own fault and stupidity of course but its made me totally rethink the need for having an almost indecent amount of power in what is first and foremost a luxury car. I loved my test drive of the 450h....but seriously...that car was going to get me into a trouble I reckon. Point taken that rapid acceleration is NOT against the law. Plus a car designed for performance is likely to have superior handling and braking thus safer when driven sensibly. However, having power in reserve does increase the chances of speeding unless you are very careful I'd say. The urge and all that! Its not as if the ES 300h is a slouch anyway. As pointed out on here, 8.1 seconds to 60 was seen as pretty brisk around 20 years ago. Has our expectations over 20 years really increased that much?? Do we need to get to 60 quicker on a more congested highway anyway? Does a large comfy car really need to hit 60 in 6 seconds flat and be able to top 150mph? Of course if you want some Autobahn storming then there maybe becomes some justification for more power. Glad the LS running costs issue came up too for those looking to 'upgrade' from a GS250 or 300h. I have to admit its something that would have been a nice option but have questioned my own train of thought with the posting above. The LS is a BIG step up when it comes to total cost of ownership. Is a bigger jump from a GS than a GS is from an IS. Dread to think what a set of discs or even tyres would cost. Was the same going from a 5 to a 7 series BMW. Totally different ball game in fact. The GS/ES on the other hand is still within the realms of just about 'reasonable' I'd day.

Up until last October my wife was having treatment, followed by regular checkups at a Chelsea hospital. This went on for over five years. We used to drive from Sussex to Putney where we could park and get the bus from there. That became such an ordeal that eventually we would just drive all the way. Parking in Chelsea was always a challenge but we always found somewhere. It just became so much more convenient, and so much quicker. And with pay by phone the cost of parking was easy to get just right without paying more than we needed. Thankfully that's all behind us now but I would never do it by bus again, especially after being on it in 34 degrees at one time.

I'm currently considering a change of car for practicality purposes and it effectively writes off diesel even for a few years as it would be worthless by the time it gets introduced. People driving older cars now will really struggle with it in a few years as they won't have the money to upgrade. My is250 gets in now but how soon will the requirement be euro 5 petrol. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

Just quick update. few days ago I replaced battery on my car, which was getting bit weaker and not holding enough charge. fitted new battery and no more key fob issues. So I guess due to weak battery it was affecting computers and hence key fob issues. New main battery and no more issues.

AGM batteries have a self discharge rate of about 3% of capacity per month. Flooded batteries tend to have a higher rate depending on the exact chemistry used. The rate is also affected by temperature to a small degree. John.

Which is a lot more than the ES300h. Still it’ll be a ton more refined. A 520d is terrible coarse - it’s efficient but ghastly That does matter if you live/travel there. 146mph isn’t that fast. A 3.5 ES with 300bhp could probably break 160mph. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes, but BMW 520d is not the ONLY CHOICE! IS250 max speed is ~137-141MPH... not sure I have ever reached it, but I do set the cruise at 120MPH in Germany quite often. 300h top speed is ~104-111MPH depending on the model and that would create issues for me. I think top speed is probably even less relevant then 0-60, but again that is not the point. It is a matter of having it, because otherwise one would happily just have car only capable of 70MPH and 20s 0-60... you could still get from A to B, why have more expensive luxury car then if one don't care. Here I am all for it - some people don't need any of that and I appreciate it, but they don't buy luxury cars either then.

No, Once fully charged and disconnected should stay at around 12.7 volts for weeks. If it is dropping at all it has an internal drain and needs to be replaced. Personally I wouldn't want a battery that is behaving like that in my car as if the drain gets worse it can overheat the battery and cause a split (acid everywhere) and even a fire in rare cases. A new decent quality battery is gonna be under £100 and should last 5-8 years. Cheap ones can be had for less but they just don't last and are poor value for money. https://www.battery2u.co.uk/results.aspx?part=068

Yes, soft close on all Facelift models, but may have been an option (premium pack) on pre-Facelift. The following from the 2003 User Manual. Door closer (some models) If any door is closed but does not latch shut, it automatically closes completely. This system is equipped on all the doors and will activate regardless of the ignition switch position. Pulling the door handle will cancel the door closer, allowing you to open the door which is about to close. However, pulling the door handle of the rear door which is locked with the child protector will not cancel the door closer. CAUTION Careful attention is needed so as not to get your fingers trapped as the door automatically closes when the door has not been fully closed. Never allow a child to operate the door.

Thanks Herbie - duly noted! 😊

It's very rare for that to happen in the UK in my experience. Here, if something has a three-year warranty and fails after two, it is replaced with a brand new item but that is only given the remaining one year of warranty - it doesn't start a new three-year period. EDIT - the following paragraph is taken from http://www.wheresmyrefund.co.uk/faulty-goods-replaced-do-i-get-new-warranty.html

Thanks for the welcome Phil! Here are a couple more pics. One shows the steering wheel compression quite well - the previous owner had a “ball” clamped on the wheel it seems. The other shows a little test patch for the leather cleaner - the patch has now gone and is all pale now, but it amused me how the seemingly very clean leather was still quite dirty.

Welcome to the LOC Alex, you've got a great looking car there. A few more pics would be nice!

Warren Buffett CEO of Berkshire Hathaway aged 88 ............ has the second-highest amount given to charity ($30.80 billion) among the greatest philanthropists ............................. and clearly the insured drivers within his realm contribute to this so guys and gals, it might be the usual insurance rip-off BUT this really might be going to good causes Malc

So here we are exactly a year on from this post and I picked up my GSF this morning. Black with black interior, 2016 demo + 1 owner car. Quite taken by it. First impressions are very good, similar in so many ways to the ISF, built like a bank vault, great driving position but in terms of the driver interface and tech. It’s chalk and cheese, it’s amazing how much has changed in a few years. I’ve only driven it 15 or so miles and have the run from Stranraer to Newcastle later to get to know the car a lot better, but the most notable point on the car is the seats. Possibly the best of any car I’ve had, awesome, hold you well, and extremely comfortable. not sure if it’s as quick as the ISF though.... no doubt will get the opportunity to find out later if the weather behaves. As it’s seems with Lexus dealers across the UK - they’ve been easy and a pleasure to deal with, even though they’re part of the lookers group.... and they’ll no doubt have a well loved ISF up for sale in the next week or so. Looking forward to the drive home, just hope it dries up a bit!

I could argue that mesa red is the only colour in the current line up. All the rest are 50 shades of grey. But I'm biased.

Just got been to replace by auto box fluid from a Toyota/Lexus Indie based in Surrey. He also carries out some fuel and engine research work for Denso and Delphi. And I had to take a picture of it. the picture below was his findings when he compared fuel from Tesco and Shell. Both fuels have been let to settle for a week and after re shaking both bottles again in front of me, this is how petrol from Tesco looks like on the right hand side and one from shell on the left hand side. When I got to his garage this morning a customer was just leaving in a T180 diesel Avensis and he confirmed to me the guy had just spent £6000 on his car due to a cracked piston and he also replaced DPF on another customer’s car at a cost of £1500. And he confirmed 60% of all diesel and modern petrol related engine issues are due to Supermarket fuels this guy does not work for Shell, BP, Esso(Mobil,) or Total but confirmed he advises all customers to stay aware from Supermarket fuels. From what I gathered from the discussion we had, he confirmed all fuels sold in EU by law, has to contain a certain percentage of Biofuel and these are fuel derived from plants and other living organisms mainly from farms and over time, parts like fuel tank, injectors, dpf, catalytic convertors etc will start growing these living organisms from these(less additive) fuels resulting in various issues in the engine. He confirmed the fuel additives, cleaning agents, octane boosters added into fuels by Shell, BP, Esso and Total help control these biofuel organisms inside the tank, cylinders, valves, catalyst etc resulting in a smooth running engine, mpg improvement, and longer engine life. He confirmed 90% of his customers who have suffered diesel engine related issues all used supermarket fuels and advised them to switch to branded fuels and occasionally use higher octane diesel and petrol fuels as well if they want to avoid the issues. As I confirmed this guy does not work for any of these branded oil companies so there is no incentive for him advising customers to use Shell, BP , Esso over Tesco, ASDA and Sainsbury’s.. I have always been a Shell , Esso man and currently running BP Ultimate and the engine quite likes it so mite stick with it for a while.

most say is waste of money but I worked it out manually and the difference to a tank is around £10 extra to fill up 99RON over 95RON but since I only fill up around half a tank each time so I don't carry around excess weight which results in more fuel consumption, this only works out about £5 extra so I can live with that and I have carried out tests on my own and noticed the V power lasts a tad bit longer than 95 and as confirmed it squeezes every bit of performance from the engine, runs smoother, idles smoother and burns cleanly whilst cleaning the engine as well. so for £5 extra I would say its worth it but 95 does a good job all the same. I am a shell man and prices are no different from Supermarket ones where I live. I have never used supermarket fuels in my cars not saying there is anything wrong with them, I just stick to Shell or Esso(Mobil)