Old as in old and grey as in the wrong colour lol :winky: just joking, didnt mean to offend anyone, its just that i always see the sc430 as a car for the more mature person. I ought to test drive one really, it will prob change my whole outlook on this model, couldnt have one though , two kids, two dogs you understand, anyway hope i didnt offend you thommo. you have a lexus badge on the front of your motor, that speaks for itself