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  1. not a hope , no way never . I have had all of the above issues , on my 4th full set of alloys , front stonechipped to hell in 50k miles , dealer was ok , but i wouldn't say the best experience . I could get the same MPG from the 250 auto as i did from my diesel , and thats even if i wasn't paying ,as mine are company cars . I am replacing mine in the next month and will be getting a BMW 320d Msport Lexus diesel 1 not clean enough on CO 2 no auto 3 poor mpg 4 cheap plastics (the bmw interior is way better head and shoulders) 5 it actually has 6 gears i can use
  2. You want the one that mouts on the top air vent in the middle for sat nav as the ones shown while ok for phones means you look down away from the road which for sat nav is to often . i'll post a picture of mine but i find it perfect ,along with the pre wired holder for my make of satnav . also there is a nice way to drop the power cable in behind and easily hard wire it so its just a plonk your nav on and go , better than having a cig lighter plugged in .
  3. Slow up chaps i think your a little mis informed her on certain things . Ok yes you are right i think a cat d car would have to have a significant saving over new to make it a sensible choice however a few facts rather than imotive blabbing. My car was subject to an accident at 3 months old . the damage was rear quater , boot floor and o/s suspention . I spoke to the assesor and he said its at the point of total loss as the damage will be around 9k to repair. being a lease car i would have just paid the lease off and had to start again on a new lease , the way prices had gone i wouldn't lease the same car , so decided to let them repair the car. They did , it was perfect , and has driven perfectly since (ok lets forget the fuel economy issues shall we ) no creaks rattle in fact i havn't had any of the rattles other new is drives seem to have done . however come to resale , my car will fetch the same money as any other clean lexus of similar spec and milage because as it wasn't a total loss then its not recorded however it could have been now on the road with a new owner with a cad d rating because at salvage it would have been bought and repaired . Unless your insurance company uses some dodgey back street repaired a repaired car should be fine , a modern bodyshop is a great place , my mate owns an approved BMW bodyshop and their spot welder which cost 20k records every detail about a car they fit new panels too and if its involved in another accident BMW have them inspected to check that the previous repair didn't weaken anything .... its not a filler and cellulose bodge these days . righting off alot of cars these days is due to manufacturers costs on new parts even on a 3 month old car , so please think a little carefully about your advice and make sure its factual and not speculative. this might be the right car at the right price for this buyer , that depends on what the price is.
  4. Good to hear that BMW's ED is good for something. For me, it doesn't do a thing. When I say that Lexus is the cleanest in its class, that is exactly what I mean. MB E 300 Bluetec is significantly better than Lexus in NOX, but even that can't touch Lexus' CO level. Plus it's a lot more expensive. BMW 320d is behind in both NOX and CO. Audi A4 with the new 2.0 TDI (170 hp) is the first real challenger in the class, being a bit better in NOX but a lot more behind in CO. Lexus is Euro5. It's been discussed a lot, since Lexus doesn't say it in the spec sheet. That is only because Euro5 doesn't do anything for now. CO2 is another thing completely. CO2 is not air pollution, as such. The only reason for all the buzz on CO2 is the global warming. Serious as that may be, cancer and respiratory deceases are more so IMHO. You could say Lexus has been standing still since the introduction of the 220d, for they haven't updated the engine. But then again, it's only been less than three years. The mid-life facelift would be the logical time to do a touchup, so fingers crossed. Some say Lexus will drop the diesel altogether, but I don't buy it. Oh yes, the emission figures. Here's the whole package. Lexus IS 220d: CO 0.13 g/km ; NOX 0.16 g/km ; Particulates 0.002 g/km MB E 300 A Bluetec: CO 0.187 g/km ; NOX 0.028 g/km ; Particulates 0.001 g/km BMW 320d: CO 0.249 g/km ; NOX 0.171 g/km ; Particulates 0 g/km Audi A4 2.0 TDI 170 hp: CO 0.189 g/km ; NOX 0.131 g/km ; Particulates 0.0011 g/km Euro5 for diesels: CO 0.50 g/km ; NOX 0.23 g/km ; Particulates 0.018 g/km First of all, all these are Euro5 compliant. As you can see, CO level is very good on Lexus. In NOX, MB with its very sophisticated deNOX technology is the clear winner, Audi is better than Lexus as well but the difference isn't as big. Particulate amount is very, very low on all the candidates, so I would say the differencies are negligible. Really ???? Marque: BMW Range: 3 SERIES Fuel: DIESEL Transmission: MANUAL Doorplan: 4 SAL Trim: 320D SE Model Introduction Date: 2005-06 Engine (cc): 1995 Level (g/km): 153 Marque: LEXUS Range: IS Fuel: DIESEL Transmission: MANUAL Doorplan: 4 SAL Trim: 220D SE Model Introduction Date: 2005-11 Engine (cc): 2231 Level (g/km): 168 Marque: AUDI Range: A4 Fuel: DIESEL Transmission: MANUAL Doorplan: 4 SAL Trim: TDI SE 163 Model Introduction Date: 2003-06 Engine (cc): 2496 Level (g/km): 186 Marque: MERCEDES CARS Range: C CLASS Fuel: DIESEL Transmission: MANUAL Doorplan: 4 SAL Trim: C220 CDI AVANTGARDE SE Model Introduction Date: 2002-07 Engine (cc): 2148 Level (g/km): 170 so the bmw is cleaner , and thats the older 163bhp ,not the new efficient dynamics engine , Again get your facts correct , our government and the motor industry disagree that the lexus is cleanest. maybe in finland you have like i have said a different spec. but i always knew that the lexus wasn't cleanest as i pay tax based on those figures.
  5. but then again .. a bit of a revelation , but audii bmw and mercedes let you use the brakes an accelerator as well ,without drastick mpg issues .... what a shocker.
  6. in that case as i did a 200 mile run with the cruise on in 6th at 75 and managed to scrape 36mpg there is an issue and aserious issue with my car that and the other early cars we have on our fleet they are the same. i am just not going to worry anymore its not worth it , i'll never have another lexus diesel unless the courtesy car i get next monday give good mpg .... if it does they can keep mine till it does the same . anyway i am off to compliment my gas guzzling 911 with a gass guzzling v8 audi , but then neither of thos "claim to be economical " oh and as for 57mpg ... i can't get that from mine if i coast and use neutral for every down hill stretch .
  7. did you miss the comment from the gentleman who wrote software for a fleet company ,whos data showed 80% of their is220d drives had complaints ... have you not listend to the people who have actually sold there cars at a loss becuase they were so agreved? no? really oh i forgot the is220 is great , ....... or yes it wouldbe if i got 40+ mpg . mine does not and fwiw let me judge my opinion of the economy on actual real life experience like ,every time i have visited my dealer there is another diesel driver complaining (yes every time) and all the diesel drives i have met and spoken to face to face all claim the same ,and in the last few months thats 7 real people ..... alot fot a great car don't you think.
  8. what i am trying to get across to you is that i have had many cars that have had "special" driving styles to get best from them , they all are used for circuit racing , and MPG has never been high on their feature list .... most people would say the handling was twitchy and dangerous , and would struggle to see the best from them . They are built to a purpose However your average mass market fleet diesel engine should be able to nowadays produce 40mpg driven by any monkey . and yes i would accept 10% down on the market leaders but have a search and even those claiming good mpg are saying it 38 to 39 on a run .... still way off 10% down. my motive is clear .. for lexus to look and acknowlage the issues and try and have dialogue with there customers to resolve it .
  9. it is the engine , and the gearing combined .... its quite simple drive like miss daisy and you will see terrible economy drive like a normal driver and you'll see something thats laughable . there isn't a fix lexus can come up with so they'll drop the model and when they do it will be for no other reason than it being a money sapping failure . And yes i am and will continue to bash the 220d till someone gives me one that i can drive normally and see 40+ mpg ..... you do and your happy . the large majority of 220d drivers don't i am not willing to drive like you , that does not make me wrong for not adjusting to drive slower than my gran what it actually does is make the engine terrible !!!!
  10. Finlex ... when will you understand that you have a totally diferent gearing setup .... search the forum the lhd spec cars are not the same ,and again you have a sport anyway so you have totally different geaing And what part of a 400 mile round trip using cruise control with no traffic at 75mph returning 36mpg don't you understand .... that was motorway .. no traffic at all didn't stop going up ,or back .... 36mpg .... is useless , did you not see the post above , fleet users reported 80% of drivers were unhappy with fuel economy . Do you not understand that thats alot of drivers who have issues , belive what you want but a uk non sport spec car in most situations is awful compared to it direct rivals . Its not me .... its not jut a few people , its a large percentage of users .... and tell me this ... why does every courtesey car i get in have a tank average of 30 maybe 32 mpg ? why? maybe because thats what they do , and thats **** . if lexus had said it would do 32 and thats what the competition got then no issue , but they don't and lexus havn't .... but you'll never understand whats been pointed out to you by various people on this thread and those who have simply given up saying it. i am glad you get good economy and i am glad you enjoy your car .... trust me if on a run mine did 40+ mpg i would be happy too
  11. Finlex i am sorry if you think i have been overly agressive in my replys but this really did need to be said and you gave no argument that would stand up for the lexus being a good diesel (if anything you also confirmed how bad it is ) and you don't have the longer standar diff ratio which makes it worse. Lexus have totally screwed up ,the cars DO NOT give the stated figures and never will its fundementally flawed , its a real real shame because i agree its a lovely car to look at ,the handling is nice (if slightly harsh over some surfaces) and it has r the most comfortable seats in its class by a big margin .. I truely belive if lexus went back , forgot euro 5 , removed the 5th injector system remapped the engine and changed the gearbox and final drive ratio's they would have a 50mpg car that sold well . They i can't go back , and thats why they will ditch the diesel they have hurt their brand more than they would ever have wanted to and this issn't the time they should have been doing that , stateside they are fine there is no diesel and thats a big market for them so lets hope they don't suffer to much , They are the only japanese car maker who has got close to a european feel inside their car as they all strive to be "german" just ask citreon their latest ads confirm this . But i think lexus should be man enough to appologise and say we got it wrong , cause the happy users of this diesel are buy far in the minority ... great car ... very poor engine ... andthats VERY poor ... not just disapointing.
  12. Well said. I too hope that everyone could be happy with their car. And that includes Harv. if it gave 40mpg i would love it ....... it would be fine and i would except it not as good as the oposition but not awfull 36mpg whilst doing 200 miles with the cruis on in a diesel was awful plain and simple . you have a sport diff and belive me i have driven the sport , the ratio's are so much better and tbh i belive thats a major plus for you .... but if you belive that the way you described is the way to acheive fuel economy then i belive you would see 70mpg out of a VAG car or bmw or even a mercedes .... thats the issue i don't care about consumption what i do care about is seemingly por consumption compared to others in its class , today we have tested an RS4 cabriolet audi yes it did 20mpg in a semi urban drive , but look what we get for that compromise ,and its similar mpfg to everything else thats simlar that we have looked at . my wife won't be doing more than a 30 mile motorway commute so we can suffer 25mpg ....
  13. You have a point there - our A3s and A4s were only getting 37mpg as well. We've got a 2.0T A3 at the moment and the slight increase in fuel economy is more than compensated by the smoother petrol engine. as i have said before .. i would love to see 37mpg ...... mixed driving this week has given a tank average over 300 miles of 29.9
  14. Finlex i am about to do something very british my friend ...... your background is in engineering is it ? you think what you have stated above is how a car should be driven or you accept that to get a decent economy then thats what you need to do ? maybe this explains why most F1 teams are based in the UK because my friend you sound like the type of man who i wouldn't employ in an engineering company to sweep the floor ..... if you and anyone else agrees thats that the way i should drive my lexus (or any other car for that matter ) to return good fuel economy i pity you . YOU ARE WRONG thst way i think i could maybe get decent fuel economy out of a nice big bentley....... its no wonder people think there isn't a problem if thats the driving style. there are cars being used that return good economy the early ones don't , and ok i never stop and start .... err you don't understand england do you and i am sure you would quite simply be horrified by london traffic . audi arn't bmw arn't ford arn't and fwiw i went out in my neighbours 635d tonight to pop up the road with him ..... and we reste the trip and dis a normal driving stop start up and down hill run and it returned from cold 42mpg TBH forget it .... you like your car and your happy driving in that fashion and i think you'll continue to enjoy it . i'll never convince you its a poor diesel engine . for those who get a good fuel economy from their diesel again thats great . i don't others don't and not 1 single person who owns a diesel and has driven my car has said any different ... the economy is attrotious. if anyone is in the south UK and wants to drive my car along say a 30 mile journey to show me how driving in a manor approved by the IAM and acheive 40+mpg feel free.
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