hi guys and thanks for your reply's a bit more info, it passed it M.O.T on friday with no addvisories, so i dont think it could be bushes or anything like that??? i not sure my self, it has both the clips on the back pads that lance posted, so could be the fronts, was just a bit embarssing going down the bumpy roads, clattering about like a shed, i will get my cuz to look at front brakes as he's a mechanic for a big company, thanks for your replys.