Stuno1

Aye a friend asked if I had considered the isf when I was looking at m3’s. That’s how I found out and I thought I had my finger on the pulse of the car market!

The isf values will definitely prop up the rcf. The prices @Linas.P you are talking about must have been for higher than average mile cars. I bought my isf for 18k and sold it 2 years later for 18k. If 2010 isf’s are still being listed for 23k I can’t see the prices you are taking about for the rcf coming about in the time frames you are hoping. Depreciation at these prices really are glacial as people realise just how much car can be had for the money. You may get lucky and pick up a high mile example but that would be it. Time will tell I guess.

Agree with all of what you said apart from this. The f seems to be for those who research cars heavily and want the ownership package. Those who don’t necessarily don’t want normal offerings.

Can’t see the rcf being 20-25k in 2 years. The isf prices will start to keep it up I think. As they get to 30k ish good examples will have glacial depreciation.

Sadly none of that surprises but certainly informs! Sad really and kind of pathetic.

Madness!

@tomRCFcarbon it’s mad that hospitality and travel for reviews has that much of a impact on reviews!

I was at goodwood breakfast club and a lc was getting some good attention. My isf got almost zero attention unless people were looking at the rear. I think a carbon rcf will get a lot more attention but time will tell.

Let’s have some thoughts on this then.. the way I see it... - Lexus don’t spend as much as competition on marketing and sombrand awareness isn’t there. - Most reviews are based on a few hours in track and on a road and do not show off the cars in all weather conditions and over an extended time. Chris Harris did a review of the m5 and gsf and due to poor weather the gsf shon. - People are too focused on 0-60. Lap times between the f cars and rivals are usually within 1 second if each other. - Brand image. As above, due to lack of spend on marketing those non car folk still see Lexus as an old mans car. stu

Fair old wait then chap!

Is this it? He @Linas.Pwants one but is procrastinating?

This is all common sense though? I thought Linas was just messing about? Lexus didn’t just chuck carbon on for the sake of it.

That’s daft. The f range are the cars where they can take some styling risks. They should know from their competition limited run cars can be that bit more loud styling wise and literally. That’s what makes them special and unique and desirable. It’s a missed opportunity to build upon the solid reputation the rcf and f cars in general are getting. Pitty.

For a limited run I would have expected to see small boost in power. Maybe lower ride height for improved handling, maybe lighter, maybe different exhaust to make it truly special. Just feels lazy.

Was looking to attend the goodwood event but made other plans. Thats a shame. Have a good time. Wonderful venue.

Perception at this point but that’s enough. They will rank heavily in money for the first 5 years. They look, sound and appear to drive very well but people will be taking serious financial losses in them.

s*x weeeeeeee! Serioualy though the m4 does nothing for me.

The issue with the m cars for me is the wow factor. When I say this I mean would I look back at it walking away. If it’s a toy car it need to evoke that emotion and for me they don’t. Clearly personal but it’s key for me when buying a toy.

Indeed and reviews are based on 3 laps of a circuit and a few hours on a road. Long term is where it’s at. Lexus really do have it nailed.

Cheers. I keep thinking about them but don’t fancy the styling from exterior or interior perspective. Also, they are pretty common compared to the rcf and it will likely depreciate more than an equivelant rcf. Basically I consider it and then remember why I don’t like it! Eaxh to their own 👍

Would/could you cross countries comfortably on an M4 like you can in the rcf? Was it stiff and twitchy to the point of becoming tiresome for the gt elements of a journey?

Major concern is depreciation compared to the rcf if buying both at 35k ish.

Care to share what you liked and didn’t like? Be good to get your thoughts.

I hope so but I would be unsurprised to see unsold models in a years time. The car is already hard to sell. Many won’t like matte paint due to maintenance and the blue interior will put off many.