Jamesf1

fair enough didnt realise this was referencing unrestricted autobahn. its not a blood bath as less than half is derestricted, and studies have shown average speeds are around 88mph. FYI There is a blanket advised speed limit of 81, its just not enforced But if your involved in an accident and proven to be above this speed you can be held liable regardless of circumstances. My point is - if you think driving safely at 120mph + is all about skill it isnt - its as least as much about luck, the faster you go the luckier you have to be. I accept that derestricted autobahn is likely considerable safer than UK motorways in terms of other driver behaviour, as high speeds are expected.

Stupidest thing posted there are no issues simply cruising at over 120MPH it comfort and all. No wait it’s this On occasions I was driving at 135MPH in IS250 and it was all normal and well, but the winner is The only reason I cannot see myself driving at over 140MPH is that with current ICE cars fuel efficiency drops drastically after 120-140M really? That’s the only reason? I just hope the day your arrogance and woeful lack of judgement catch you out no one else unlucky enough to be in the vicinity is seriously injured or worse

How did you compare? I compared base models and it was 12% difference. That in itself offers a specific view compared to your sweeping 40% statement Copy pasting big words from Wikipedia has little valu to an informed debate.market capitalistion is value of shares- share price x number of outstanding shares, it has nothing to do with comparing companies in specific markets, and in what way is that relevant, the entire conversation is about no es350 as it wouldn’t sell. Anyway, which either way you define point is they know better than you about selling millions of vehicles in global market, so I agree with therir decision rather than your baseless uninformed opinion on sales potential. Actually arguing Toyota are the highest valued car company by Macap also shows they make the right decisions

Facts : base price LS was 12% cheaper than S class at launch in US Toyota is second biggest by sales 2018

Oh for the love of god. Toyota are the second biggest carmaker in the world, Your judgement on models offered, bad sales decisions or bad business logic are the rantings of a simpleton who has no understand of global corporate strategy, product planning, consumer behaviour and thinks 0-60 is important whilst driving an old slow car yourself. My final comment is there is and never will be an ES 350 uk model. Get over it.

I’m not using logic, just statistical facts erm LS and LC 300h - no, cars of that market segment/price bracket wouldn’t sell as 300h just like the RX 13/14 is the IS -F models exist as they are halo cars product planned to sell in low numbers at a high price GS 350 not offered tells you all you need to know about sales expectations and your reasons for bad sales are factors but the main being from the sales pattern is -most buyers in those segments value running costs over 0-60, a fact you singularly don’t seem to be able to grasp even with the statistics to prove it cars in the segments of -f models, And LC performance is valued more than mpg, their rivals are also fast and thirsty, so it isn’t an issue and v8 is offered

Nobody ever suggested to drop 300h from the market (unless you cannot properly read). Of course most people will choose 300h even if there are other options, I reckon ~70% will go for it anyway. The whole discussion here is however about the 30% who found themselves unhappy with sluggish power 300h the whole discussion here is around the 30% - except the non hybrids weren’t pulling in 30% of the sales they went even pulling in 10!!!!!! That’s my whole point the 300h of every model batted 2.0 t, 2.5v6 450h out of the park big time. It’s a shame about 450h but that was the GS- more 300h sold in 5 years than 450h did in 13 years over 2 model iterations. I’m not arguing the 450h is any anyway bad car far from it, but sales unfortunately not strong enough to engineer ES to take that Powertrain. snapshot 2018 244 GS 300h sold, 450h 46 85% in favour of 300h Is example over 2013 and 14 when 250 sold alongside 300h, fsport trim v6 170 sold, 300h 1342 94% sales went to hybrid Lexus are not wrong to not offer 450h never mind 350.v6

Yes this is it exactly. We are on the cusp of ice last hurrah. It will be increasingly hybridised to see it through to the death. I for one embrace hybrid as a step to full ev. Before long propelling your car by burning liquified dead dinosaurs will be, well extinct. Yes v12, v8 v6 were glorious wonderful stirrers of the soul and will live on in historic racing, museums etc but Ev’s will be fun too

God there some real stupidity here. No ES350v6 in UK Because It would NOT SELL. The biggest seller of any Lexus models is the 300h by massive margin IS, GS, NX, RC GS450h Is 250 Is 20T etc sold in low numbers, there is no harping on about a lack of a model that doesn’t sell. if your argument works why are the big 5 series models the 20d and not the 530 and 540? BMW can carry those models because of massive economies of scale. lexus are building a niche because they cannot go head to head directly with the Germans in the UK, They are in sales figures terms niche players in the premium uk market finally, how many of you bemoaners are driving a 3-3.5 litre NA engine car at the moment if it’s such a holy grail? You all have a luxury segment car after all

Clearly you havnt mdriven a 5 on 19 inch rims, rft and standard suspension 325 7 0-60 I owned one and and is250 and bmw quicker than that margin believe me. so to recap, your constant slating of the ES is handling and 0-60. Yet you have a Lexus good chunk slower and less dynamic handling than the class leader equivalent. And that’s unacceptable according to you. And yet you bought one. Wierd

but there are many more realistic examples where you have to join busy road or where visibility is limited and gaps in the traffic are scarce and shorts and one needs to try to join the traffic without creating dangerous situation. all the more reason why the ability to charge in in a fast car is all the more irrelevant

The irony of your argument is you have an is250, slower than its competitors 0-60, yet this is a major flaw in the ES?

The irony of your argument is you have an is250, slower than its competitors 0-60, yet this is a major flaw in the ES?

I think an ES can join a motorway safely. You ought to be able to join the motorway safely in any car 0-60 over 10 or not. If not I’d suggest you should have extra training. If your overtaking, worrying about being able to do so safely ought to be the only thing you worry about. You should be taking in to account the acceleration capability of your vehicle, but also.road condition, layout, markings, speed limit, visibility etc etc. And if in doubt, don’t. After all your not in a race

You stated over 10s 0-60 is dangerous for road use. So trucks vans buses etc shouldn’t be on the road by your logic. When all classes of vehicles share the roads then how do you specify just cars? If a truck can join a motorway safely limited to 56 and a 0-60 of over 10s, why can’t a car? You interact with the road by using anticipation and judgement not how fast you can hit 60 like a boy racer retard.

Sufficient performance is subjective. For many ES will be sufficient. For most public roads most of the time it is more than sufficient. I think the ES is aimed at mature self confident adults who have grown out of 0-60 will girls fancy me with a slow car mentality. 0-60 over 10s dangerous for public roads? Got an answer for how society works without vans trucks and buses? If you struggle with an IS250 then you need to look at your driving

superior build quality and materials, good level of space and equipment, attractive looks but these matter to a lot of people more than sporty handling. If I commuted via lap of the Nürburgring then I might be bothered. But I don’t I drive on British roads and appropriate speeds often with my children on board. Even a Ferrari is a dull drive stuck in a traffic jam

+ another for the cvt. First time I drove one (CT200h courtesy car) the big revelation was wondering what the fuss from motoring journalists was all about

Raise the headrest up, and look where the bars enter the headrest. If they go in at the front of the slots it’s all the way back. Otherwise, From the rear seat, push the headrest forward firmly, pushing forward at its base. Once as far forward as it will go , let go and It will spring back to its rearmost position. To adjust It can then be pushed forward slowly and has 3 (I think) positions it can click into

Just a thought on seat temp, are you using eco mode as this reduces air con etc to draw less from the engine so maybe seats don’t heat up as much in eco mode. I had mine on 3 bars this morning in eco and seat was planets warm for me. Maybe my botttom is more sensitive lol

The spark plugs are 60k miles item, not time

The expensive spark plug change is at 60k miles not 50k as you seem to have been told. Go on the website service details are available in the owners section I think. I also have a 250 luxury and love it. Ps I have a service plan for 5 year or over cars £29 a month fo the gs

re lack of 450h - As a fan\entusiast I agree. But Lexus is such a niche player it has to plan its products carefully. And by such a niche player, the facts are: Current gen 450h made 700 odd sales of 3400 total (including 250, 300h and GSF) in years 2012-2018 (to end Q1) and the bulk of those were the early years. in 2016 on the sales of 450h was 48 - for the whole year. Or put it another way, each lexus dealer in the country sold 1 GS 450h each. You can see why they dont think its worth having a ES 450h since 2012 lexus have sold 3398 of the current GS total - all models for comparison, BMW in the same period sold over 46000 520d Msport auto saloons. So not including the estate in that figure, or manuals, or non msport spec. the whole Lexus GS range outsold only one 5 series model which has been on sale over the same period - the most nich one, and only just - M5, 3000 sold

According to Lexus uk website sunroof is standard on base ES the cheapest GS that comes with BSM as standard is the F sport at £43,395. The GS premier spec is semi aniline leather @ £45k - which is odd as lesser spec models are leather cant find any reference to privacy glass, the lexus configerator images for the base model certainly doesnt show privacy glass - GS

Had a look at the specs in more detail because I hadnt compared them myself. In terms of base spec there isnt much in it, main difference is synthetic vs real leather, but the ES undercuts GS by £1000 so you cant expect (IMHO) it to exactly match or exceed the GS GS has Lexus Safety System Plus with ACC/PCS, LKA, TSR & AHB ES has 2nd Generation Lexus Safety Sense+ This comes with an improved system unit, an upgraded PCS function and new Lane Tracing Assist (LTA), while retaining the established ACC, RSA and AHB functions. So ES has better safety kit as standard. Both have 17" wheels, parking sensors, DAB, NAV smart entry, heated and electric seats, Summary - base models ES has over GS: new gen hybrid drive Sunroof Privacy glass improved safety kit but is missing: real leather vs synthetic has 8" screen vs 12" screen but for £1000 less.