Thanks Phil, now I understand it fully & correctly, personally I would never give my account number to some stranger online, it's asking for trouble. Paypal also will also take your money back, I think a request must be made within 7 or 14 days, anyway the seller did not break any part of the contract made steve & himself, no legal case to answer, Steve made the offer, the seller accepted on the terms they had both agreed, I think Ive just seen it on ebay, as usual with an LS400 it looks great, bonnet and all.