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  1. I had a set of blizzaks on oem ISF alloys, on a very snow flooded winter back in 2015 I kept up and out breaked a heavily tuned evo fq360, absolutely phenomenal performance out of these tyres. I was quite happy to run the OEM alloys, I just treated the alloys with some G technique, it protected them very well. On a front wheel drive car and also a van I have used cross climate, they were awful in snow - useless in my experience.
  2. I cannot comment on any particular reason for why it may have failed however, as the car is in warranty, subject to no neglect, I cannot see why a diagnosis and relevant repair wouldn't be covered. I had a gearbox failure on a 2007 gs300. It was a year or so out of extended warranty however, it was zero previous owners with FLSH. A gesture was made from both Lexus GB and the supplying/servicing dealer, it left nothing to pay. I was told of a story where by a few years after the launch of the ISF, a customers engine blew. I was told that a team from Lexus Japan flew over to try and understand more! These things happen!
  3. For the last 12 months the prices of used vehicles have gone through the roof and there are several factors: Firstly, when the world went into hard lockdown Jan-Apr 2020 brand new vehicle production came to a stop, like a domino effect there were a number of reasons - let’s take Nissan GB operations Sunderland. So, in January 2020 China goes into lockdown, they stop the import and production of raw materials (plastics) in turn, for Nissan GB, who at this point are still operating and producing cars will shortly run out of stock of their interior plastics. March comes, GB goes into lockdown and not only are Nissan out of plastics, but they now cannot produce vehicles. June/July, the return to work starts and Nissan GB open the plant, social distancing rules apply so the factory operates at a greatly reduced capacity, pre ordered 2020 cars fall behind and there is catch up to be done. The plastics start to arrive for Nissan, but they are behind on surplus orders, so Nissan, along with the rest of the world demands additional stock (plastic interiors), demand increases, supply/stock reduces, so in turn a price increase happens, Nissan stall on their request and instead wait for stability in the market - this could take months. So, once again production slows at the plant. Secondly, in the meantime Mr and Mrs Jones who were due to replace their 2-and-a-half-year-old car in September 2020 discover that there is a 6-month delivery on September cars, problem is, MOT, warranty expiry, Motability 3-year agreement and all the rest of it dictates that they must settle for a 12-month-old used car (demonstrator, ex lease, whatever!) So suddenly, a portion of previously new car buyers, become used car buyers, thus eating stock. Thirdly, the next issue that follows on is Mr and Mrs Jones, who just like the above example, now need to change their car however, unlike the above, Mr and Mrs Jones are happy to wait. So, in turn Mr and Mrs Jones 3-year-old car does not come into the system for at least 6 months, thus contributing to a choke in the used car market. So not only is supply reduced, but the demand is also increased. Fourthly, Jo Bloggs, April 2020 gets furloughed from work, he is over the moon. He can now sit at home and get paid for it, so in the meantime he decides to set up a little business, cooking food from home and delivering as takeaways, he is making a good bit of money. On top of that Joe is no longer having to pay to go the pub with his mates on a Thursday night. His once-a-month weekend trip with his Mistress is now out of the window and his wife, well, she isn't looking at booking the next holiday to Portugal. Joe has surplus cash but is bored at home and his outgoings have massively reduced, so what does Joe do, he goes and achieves a long-life ambition and looks at what V8 cars he can buy with his surplus cash - he has to buy used as new stock is not readily available or, affordable. Another choke on the used car market. Today, prices have continued to rise dependent upon the desirability of the car, the difference today been, that cars are not turning over as quick. As furlough and aid to businesses stop, the financial and personal choke is now taking place and for most forum members we have witnessed this for ourselves, where by in 2019 a 2015 50,000 RCF would retail for 26-27k and would sell within a month or two. Last year (2020) the exact same year 2015 50,000 RCF would retail for 30k but would turn around within a week or two. Today, here we are and the exact 2015 50,000 RCF still retails for 30k but, will sit on the trader for months on end. This scenario is not exclusive to Lexus. In 2019 a 2006 v8 vantage 60,000 on the clock was down to 22k and would sit around for months on end. 2020 the same 2006 v8 vantage with 60,000 on the clock was up to 27k. This year 2021, the absolute same 2006 v8 vantage 60,000 on the clock are now as high as 29k, admittedly they are now hanging around, but the car, is no more exclusive in terms of numbers, it is purely the increased demand. At some point this bubble must burst, it is basic economics of supply and demand. As the free money stops, brand new stock starts to get delivered, used cars start to make there way through the system things will change. SCOTT - in reference to your 58 reg ISF with 89,000 on the clock I would be suggesting purely based upon your description and current pricing, 15k would put the car in competitively priced category, 17k, the less competitive but still fair. As always, price the car upon how eager you are to see it go.
  4. reasonable? Can you elaborate on reasonable, when I hear that word, I usually translate it as someone wanting to pay "less than the going rate"! https://www.monzamotorhouse.co.uk/cars/lexus/gs/f5.0v8/431731/ The above has recently been reduced by £1000
  5. The car was not priced anymore "realistic" but in fact was priced "relative" to most of the others on the market. 2015 average spec, 50,000 miles priced at 25k. With 20-30k extra on the clock than most examples that are listed and that appear, was it really priced all that competitive? I would suggest that if this was priced at 22-23 then it would represent better value for money than the others however, it was not. The situation here with this one moving is quite simple. It is one of "budget threshold" as opposed to "realistic pricing".
  6. Obviously failed to observe only that there is only one ISF for sale on the trader!
  7. Barmy Barry is still going! Wow. He was one of the first in proper detailing and very good too. If you want to see him go crazy ask him about "mopping"....funny guy.
  8. It is a breach of the Highway Code, Rule 123, to leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or to leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily whilst that vehicle is stationary on a public road. Imagine the complications! I did once own one of the first PHEV, a v60 estate that had preheaters, the car had a diesel type generator, but it was very quiet! Similar to that of an Auxiliary Power Unit used on aircraft.
  9. Lowest price ISF I have ever seen. The listing does state a frozen screen, although I have never known a screen freeze on this unit, the CD player was prone to malfunctioning on these and they are not a cheap replacement from lexus. All that be said, on the forecourt it must be a £15000-£17000 car.
  10. As it currently stands NX is £795 on the 2 for 1 offer. For the last few years there has been rumor circulating that Lexus was going to end the 2 for 1 offer that has now been running for around 7-8 years.
  11. Sorry, I have been busy for a while, I was hoping to get round to this post. I have to question as to why any car - brand new, still under original manufacturer warranty (3 years) only gets its first service from a dealer and then the remainder independant! Out of warranty I understand and military/service vehicles where they get serviced on site (including royal mail fleet) I also understand. But Joe public, first three years, I don't personally like. Discs and pads are the big wear and tear expense, crica of £1600 from the dealer, so as this was done 1000 miles ago, no need to be concerned. Tyres and service are the next expense wear and tear wise. You say that tyres are good but are awaiting service invoices. The 60k (6 year) is the big one, circa of £900 (spark plug fitting) if this service hasn't been done then take that into consideration. Warranty; as members here have already suggested, it is well worthy. In the grand scheme of things Lexus are well built, so in turn offer confidence in reliability however, like anything mechanical, things go snap, crackle and pop. The warranty is a great product and is by far more superior to that of any other warranty on the UK market. As the guys have said here, 18k - no such thing, 30k+ too high. 26-27k is where I would be sticking my money. 2 years ago a few 2015 models with 40ish on the clock creeped down to 26k but since then they seem to have just halted and in fact one was at Lexus Wolverhampton late last year, 2015, 30ish on the clock up for 27k, it was on the site for around 3 hours before it sold. On the same token, there are a small number of RCFs that for a short while now have remained on the trader and a few other places. Buyers seem to be a little scarce but sellers seem to be happy to hold out. So it all comes down to your budget and eagerness. If the 60k/6 year is due I personally would be gunning for 25k, 26k if you really like the spec. If the service history is as it should be and the 60k is done then it is a 26-27k car. But just to add: sub 30k RCFs seem to be a rare sight, even in their older age, mileages really seem to be low so in turn possibly have helped values. This may help you.... https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11265184?cId=11126159&cId=11074908&cId=11248432&cId=11172093&cId=11063817&cId=11269178&cId=11255393&cId=11244558&cId=11265184&cId=11010276&cId=11010317&cId=11020193 Best of luck, they are great cars, but just as you have done, prior to commitment certainly bombard this forum with your questions. There is an abundance of knowledge and opinions.
  12. Agreed, compared to the below; https://www.monzamotorhouse.co.uk/cars/lexus/gs/f5.0v8/431731/
  13. Heaven behold, see the below www.motor1.com/news/489896/2022-lexus-is-500-explainer/amp/ So if this article is true, then maybe the "F range" is about to up its game more than what we are currently used to.
  14. Is it just me or does this shout out "Audi S range"?
  15. And if the part ex refuses children? Back to slumming it in the GSF.
  16. The diamond cut finish is stunning, but I believe in the UK, brand new, Lexus decided against it. They look so different but yet, are the same.
  17. In the 5 years of following the GSF I am yet to see in the UK market one come up with the original diamond cut wheels.
  18. Rumour has it that behind closed doors at Lexus HQ, the brand is reffered to as "Sexus". Only a rumour though people.
  19. The below image is a picture of the blue inteior on the GSF, certainly wasn't a factory option in the UK however, if you have got the 10th anniversary blue interior you may find that you have a few buyers lined up, "shotgun" me first please. I recall that between the perforations on the seats in my ISF it was blue, ever so strange it was almost like blue was used in order to achieve the black finish on the leather!
  20. Each to their own however, I am happy to hype about the GSF all day long and that is reflected in the fact that as used these things move so much more faster than both ISF and RCF - furthermore reflected in the strong values seen over the last 2 years. Having owned all 3 along with an exhaustive list of many other marques these are my feelings and opinion ISF - Special, I totally loved the first effort from Lexus with this car, it always felt so special getting in and starting, at the time there was an RX450h and GS300 on the drive, the ISF was something else however, in comparison to its German rivals the thing is harder over the bumps, brakes not competitive enough and substandard sport mode, the seats were nice but not special enough in comparison to that of the German stuff but once again as an overall first effort, I liked it, it felt fairly special – I am slightly surprised at the values that these ISFs still command, but the reliability of them in comparison to the German stuff is probably the game changer. RCF - Meh! Not a bad second effort it was nice! The seats are amazing and make you feel special, exactly as a car of this cost should and the TVD (optional extra on base model) was amazing, coming out of the bends this gave the edge over the German rivals. The exterior styling was lovely, by far looked better on the drive than a friends RS5 that often came round, anyhow coming from an Aston background and also having a Jag XKR and having a vx220 for a week I was overall rather disappointed with the RCF. It did not make me feel special in any way - it just didn't feel like a GT car, where was the long, beefy, sweeping bonnet like that of the Jag or why was it not planted to the ground like the vx220 or why was the dashboard not sweeping like that of an Aston, why did it not growl and snap like that of a c63 coupe. Interior the car just felt very German and this was further reflected by the typical squared off German centre console. It was such a disappointment for me, not because the car itself was disappointing but in comparison to other GT cars in its league it just failed to compare on anything but the amazing seats. The awful heater sensor controls was the nail in the coffin for me! As I say, by no means was this bad car, but the LC is everything that the RCF really should have been! I won't comment on the LC as you haven't asked. GSF - Amazing, by this point I recently had been rolling in a 300 plus bhp A4 and a brand new s3 of which both had spectacular power, was ok on the bends and was amazing on fuel. Upon seeing the GSF I just couldn't take my eyes off, as pretty as the RCF is, there is no reason why a GT car shouldn't be this pretty however, a 4 door medium size saloon is a lot harder to achieve such eye catching lines - the GSF achieved this so well. The interior, like the RCF is spectacular however, but unlike the RCF I see a much better laid out dashboard, no silly heater controls although, the mouse pad has been debated - personally I am ok with it and prefer it over the pad that comes in the new RX450 and RCF and in comparison to the original BMW "I drive system", it really is better. The drive and general characteristics of the GSF are back to back of that with the RCF of which says one of two things - the RCF failed as a GT car or the GSF is by far superior for what it is! I once drove an Aston rapide and it felt like a decent saloon but in no way was it similar to my vantage. Conclusion, ISF, great, but is of course is aging. RCF nice, but much better coupes out there for similar money. GSF fantastic all rounder – clear why they are now holding/increasing in value and turning around faster than RCF and ISF.
  21. Would it be out of order to suggest pinning this thread?
  22. 🤣🤣🤣 go on, amend the topic to read "sold". Beers are on me for that one.
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