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On paper, the pricing of the IS250 does seem excessive compared to the previous IS. However, we should reserve judgement until we have seen the car in the flesh and driven it.

Even though I've placed a deposit on one and chosen the spec, I still have the right to change my mind once I've driven a demonstrator when it arrives in October at my local Lexus dealership. In the mean time, I will be testing other cars that the Lex is going head to head against, (a new 325/330 M Sport probably) so that I can make a fair comparison. If the Lex is pants, I will be getting my deposit back, but I honestly expect it will be a great drive.

Mr Mole => The debate in this forum is a perfectly valid one. So what if people have placed orders and finalised their specs. Like me, they have the right to change their mind after seeing a car in the flesh and test driving one. Only time will tell if this car is a success, not an order book of 'potential' customers.

IS300 £27,102 + Satnav £2,340 + Metallic paint £375 + parking sensors £210 = £30,027

(includes full leather, cruise, HID, sunroof, 5-spd auto)

IS250 SE-L £28,000 + Satnav £2,710 + Auto £1,000 + Sunroof £800 + Metallic £510 + Cruise £2,150 = £35,170

(includes HID, full leather, parking sensors)

Actually Cruise control is standard on all the new IS's. The cruise you are referring to is Adaptive Cruise Control, where it senses the speed of the car in front of you and slows down/speeds up as required.

I think it looks great, and have already put down deposit for IS250 SE-L with Multimedia Option. I can't wait for November 19th, it seems ages yet 

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What colour did you go for? I've gone for Cadoxton Slate (like a metallic charcoal). Get my SE-L on the 19th too...

Anyone see this? http://www.thenewis.com/

Official IS website (for the US)

Gives you a exterior & interior colour configurator. US colours are the same as UK colours, just named differently.

The European Honda Accord is sold as an Acura TSX in the US. Acura IS a direct competotor to Lexus, and consequently the Accord IS actually a worthy comparison to a Lexus IS. I own a new Accord and it's build quality, ride & handling is much better than it's 'competitors' such as the Mazda 6, Mondeo and 407 etc... In anycase, the IS200 is a Toyota Altezza!!! :P

Sorry if this has been asked already on this thread, but I can't be bothered reading through 14 pages to find the answer :D ...

Does anyone know what fills the screen space on cars ordered without Sat-Nav?  Is it the usual Japanese thing of creating a big hole with a door on it?

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See second pic in 3rd row here : http://www2.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=5110

Basically looks cr*p without the sat nav

Have just confirmed my spec for the my new IS250. Have gone for the SE-L with matelic paint, sunroof, Sat Nav Pack.

Was disappointed that the SE-L did not come with the 18" alloys, only comes on the sport out next year, so dealer made a call and you can upgrade to 18" as an option on the SE-L at the cost of £1500, a bit on the pricey side, but what the hell is only money! Total car cost £34.5K.

I can not wait of for 19th November 2005 to pick it up.

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I assume the 34.5k includes the £1500 for 18" alloys? That makes the Sport even better value - you could have had that + metallic, sun-roof, media, and (std 18"" wheels) for a touch over 30K. Ok, you get Escaine (suede) trim instead of leather and you have to wait til April....

In anycase, bet you can't wait :)

BTW - which exterior colour did you go for?

Loads of new pics and tech data/press release info here.

http://my.is/forums/showthread.php?t=262031

Have fun...

Over the SE, the SE-L has the following a standard :

R/S Wipers, F/R Park Sensors, Adapitive Xenons, Elec adjustable Steering column,   Rear Armrest with storage, Through load facility, Dimming mirrors, power  rear sunshade, illuminated scuff plates & wood trim.

If you want Sat Nav it's £2710 extra, but that includes Mark Levinson 5.1 DVD system, Bluetooth & rear parking camera.

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You've got to be kidding me! They're charging an additional £2,600 for a package of extras that are basically all "fluff"?!! Yes, nice little extras to have, but none you really NEED or must have. I mean, come on, how hard is it to switch on the wipers when it rains, or adjust the steering columns with a lever.....

Sorry, but I think Lexus have really dropped the ball over the pricing and options on this car

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No kidding - got the spec in front of me in black & white :) The baffling thing is that the Sport model is 1500 cheaper than the SE-L, and does away with the power sun-shade and the 'illuminated scuff plates' but adds, 18" wheels, sports suspension, metal trimming (no wood! yay!), drilled alloy pedals, and scuff plates in the rear. Ok it has Escaine (suede effect) seats rather than leather, but to me the sport sounds like better value than the SE-L.

Does anyone know what the actual spec of the SE-L is? I would've thought that it would have satnav as standard (as per the GS and RX) but I read somewhere that it doesn't, so what's all the extra money for? 

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According to the info I've been sent by Lexus, Sat Nav is not standard on the SE-L. It's an option on all variants.

Over the SE, the SE-L has the following a standard :

R/S Wipers, F/R Park Sensors, Adapitive Xenons, Elec adjustable Steering column, Rear Armrest with storage, Through load facility, Dimming mirrors, power rear sunshade, illuminated scuff plates & wood trim.

If you want Sat Nav it's £2710 extra, but that includes Mark Levinson 5.1 DVD system, Bluetooth & rear parking camera.

See a full road test of an IS350 here

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...07/pageId=64968

These guys thought it was a great car, but still not as good to drive as a BMW 3. They also thought the VDIM was too intrusive. Apart from that, it's all positive. In terms of quality it's siginficant step up from the previous IS.

Anyway, check it out...

The local Lexus distributor just called to arrange a meet as they have received more info and I can now 'spec' my car re. colours and options. I'm disappointed that the sunroof is an option, but hey I cannot remember the last time I opened the roof of my '200 and when it's warm opening the roof cocks up the A/C.

Despite rumour to the contrary I'm told the Sport WILL be available for November and when I asked 'what options' was told 'whatever you want'...so what's he going to say when I ask for a 3.5 litre powerplant? Told the sport with usual satnav/18" rims etc will be about 26-27K.

Colours will be similar to the GS300, so have to take the wife to get the blessing. Still don't know what colour to go for though.

Haven't the heart to trade in the IS200 SportNav though, so the better half acquires that!

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Let us know how you get on. 26-27K for a sport WITH Sat Nav seems to contradict the prices that have been discussed on this forum (26.5k for IS250 Sport and ~3K for Media Pack. Add Metallic and it's more like 30K).

Hopefully YOU are correct, as 27K for sport with sat Nav doesn't sound so bad...

I've put a deposit down on an IS250 (fully refundable) and am now seriously considering looking at alternatives now, based on the elevated prices (relative to the prices I was expecting). Also, ideally I wanted to go for the Is250 sport + media pack, but this model won't be out until April next year, which either gives me some more time to save up, or a chance to change my mind!

I think its going to be difficult to decide for someone opting for 3 series or the lexus.

Mainly because bmw has now uprated its engines with more choice and even night vision is now avialable. So with the 3er it seems you can have the options you want....

Not everyone wants sat nav, and Precrash bundled with ACC at 2700 is a rip off.

The Sport is better but no leather which is a must for me. The VDIM only std on sport diesel but no auto.... It is very restrictive......with BMW you can add what you want and leave out the uneccessary toys......for me LEATHER,AUTO, xenons, mettalic paint are a must with decent wheels. To get decent wheels you need sport . If i need all the above i will have to get the SEL-auto in the 250 guise which is as close to a 330i.

Nice car, pricing and options are flawed.....as yet.

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I agree - BMW have just released pricing for their M-sport variants too. You can get a 330i Sport for less than a fully loaded is250SE-L. 32K for an Is that has 'mediocre' performance for a 2.5l V6 is a lot. I think good press reviews are going to be crucial for Lexus when compared to the new 3. At least the Lex is a good looking car and should be a rarer sight in the roads...

The similarly spec'd BMW may well cost £37K, but two things jump out, it will retain more of it's value with those options, the IS250 won't.  Secondly, it's possible to get Sat nav in a 3 series for £1500 if you don't want TV, DVD, etc which I don't particularly need - I've got a nice big comfy lounge in the house for that.

I really fear that Lexus are trying to boost the image of the IS by making it expensive and therefore have the perceived quality that it's competitors do. 

I'm really disappointed that the prices are going to be that high - to be quite honest my heart sank as I honestly thought I was going to be able to get a fully loaded IS250 for around £25K.

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Regarding the cost of the media pack - agree it's pretty expensive - but apparantly it consists of the following :

1) Sat Nav (voice controlled)

2) Mark Levinson Stereo + 14 speakers + 5.1 Surround + DVD player

3) Bluetooth (Voice control for your phone)

4) Reverse Camera

1) would probably be around 1.5K

2) would probably be around 800 quid? (based on top spec BMW hi-Fi upgrade price)

3) Is around 500 (again taken from BMW prices)

4) PDC (just sensors) is normally around 300 quid - I guess a camera would be double that - (Why this is needed when the car already has F/R parking sensers gawd knows!)

So £2700 is expected .... should be standard though ... it's a Lexus!!!

Out of my league on price too. Any suggestions on cheaper alternatives for people like me who have a budget of £25K and want a high spec'd car.

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Durbs - what about a Honda Accord 2.4 Exec? these are really well spec'd (Sat Nav, xenons, Leather, elec heated seats etc) Great to drive too. I have the i-CTDi Executive.

You could pick up a s/h M3 for 25K too... :)

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Funny you should say that, I have been looking at the CTDi executive with Sat Nav and 17" alloys. Seems to be a nicely put together car. Yes i'd prefer the Lexus, but I have had a quote for a lttle over £21000 for the Honda. Thats nearly £9000 cheaper than the SE with Sat nav, sunroof and metallic paint! Do you get Xenons on this model too?

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No Xenons on the diesel executive I'm afraid. I don't know why... I have the I-CTDI with 17's but no Sat Nav. It's a very good car and feels a class above the Mondeos/Vectras of this world. Fuel consumption isn't as great as Honda publish though. I do 90% Motorway driving and only get 40 - 45mpg, compared to the 54mpg Honda claim! Great torque though, and engine is near silent when cruising.

Don't forget, this Accord is marketed as an Acura TSX in the US, which is a competitor to the Lexus IS...

Out of my league on price too. Any suggestions on cheaper alternatives for people like me who have a budget of £25K and want a high spec'd car.

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Durbs - what about a Honda Accord 2.4 Exec? these are really well spec'd (Sat Nav, xenons, Leather, elec heated seats etc) Great to drive too. I have the i-CTDi Executive.

You could pick up a s/h M3 for 25K too... :)

The information with the dealers says the Media Pack is an option on the SE-L. Sport is sane as SE-L minus the seats ( Escaine not leather ) + metal effect trim pedals & suspension plus 18 inch wheels. This is where they seem to have done the sums wrong as the sport is £1500 cheaper than the SE-L. Don't think illuminated scuff plates, power rear window blind and wood trim is worth the difference.

Also I noticed there is a difference of £1500 between the SE-L and Sport on the petrol but only £900 difference on the diesel. Sport diesel has a different axle ratio too.

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Maybe the diesel sport has VDIM as standard? Hence the smaller difference?

BTW, what is 'Escaine' - is it like Alcantara?

Sorry, I now totally retract that last statement, having specced up a 325 with similar spec, it came to £37K, so £29K seems very reasonable indeed  :D

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Yes - i just went onto the BMW configurator and a 325iSE auto equipped to the same as a 250is SE-L (assuming it has the media pack as standard) came to nearly 37k. So 29k for an IS250is SE-L auto does seem like good (relative) value

Still, I do wonder about the depreciation of the Lexus...

I've placed a deposit on an IS too, but I think the prices are def higher than expected. I was hoping to pay less than 30 k for a fully spec'd IS250, but an IS250 SE-L + Media Pack + Metallic + Auto = over 32K. Add the ACC/PCS and you're getting close to a GS300SE!!!

I would have expected the SE-L to have the Media pack as standard - does anybody know if this will be the case?

OK thanks I'll speak to the dealer. BTW, does the media pack inc. Mark Levinson, or is the media pack simply Sat Nav + Bluetooth?

Thanks for the info anyway....

What about Sat Nav & Mark Levinson - Standard on SE-L?

Any info on pricing yet? Where did you get the above info?

The following US site has an interesting first drive of the new IS + lots of pics of the new IS in 3 different colours :

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...rticleId=106455

The IS350 looks like it's a fantastic performance car.

I exepect the SEL will also have the Mark Levinson stero as standard,

I wonder how much extra the SEL will be over the SE. Did the dealer state that the prices will be officially announced next week?

I too am new to the forum and placed a deposit on an IS250 this week :)

You mentioned the price of the SE and Auto & leather & Xenons being options. Did the dealer tell you that Xenons would be optional? I thought they were standard?

Have you had any other info about specs? (Will Sat Nav be standard on the SE?)