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2 hours ago, Chris UXe said:
Thanks Steve, I was pressed for time earlier otherwise I would have copied the wording.
I'm not sure if you're near the new Snows Lexus showroom which, I think is opening soon, near Poole (Tower Park) but will hope to visit next time I'm in the area. From the plans online, it looks impressive.
Hi Chris
Bought a couple of IS's off of Dan at Snows, Hedge End a few years back. I didn't know that they were opening in Poole (existing Poole showroom is tiny).
I won't be calling there just yet, as I have a two month old Genesis GV60, but I look in this forum now and then.
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LEXUS has added a FWD model, the RZ300e, to its Battery EV (hereinafter referred to as BEV) dedicated model "RZ" lineup, as well as some improvements, and released it at Lexus stores nationwide on November 30th.
Since the release of the RX400h in 2005, LEXUS has been a pioneer in electrification in the luxury market, constantly pursuing both excellent driving performance and environmental performance. Based on the electrification vision "Lexus Electrified" announced in 2019, we aim to realize a carbon-neutral society by popularizing electric vehicles such as HEV and PHEV while staying close to the needs of diverse customers and markets. In addition, we will use electrification technology to significantly improve basic performance and provide a driving experience and lifestyle unique to LEXUS Battery EVs. As a luxury lifestyle brand, we will continue to respond swiftly and precisely to changes in the times and needs, and continue to take on the challenge of creating cars and providing experiences that exceed our customers' expectations.
As LEXUS' first BEV-only model since the release of the AWD model RZ450e, the RZ embodies the LEXUS-like car brought about by electrification technology with a ride and design that appeals to the senses, and is the starting point of the brand's transformation into a BEV-centered brand. This is a model.
The newly introduced RZ300e is a FWD model that inherits the driving concept "The Natural" that was established in the development of the RZ450e. Like the RZ450e, by adopting a BEV-specific platform (e-TNGA), we have achieved ideal inertia specifications through optimal placement of the Battery and motor, as well as a lightweight and highly rigid body. Additionally, the rear suspension member has been newly developed for FWD, and the concept of RZ driving has been thoroughly developed regardless of the drive system.
In this partial improvement, we have adopted a "Battery rapid temperature rise system" that contributes to improving rapid charging speed. By shortening the quick charging time at low outside temperatures, it contributes to improved usability for customers.
Additionally, in addition to installing additional reservable LEXUS charging stations to the LEXUS Electrified Program, a service program designed to enrich the time customers spend with their BEVs, we will also work with co-creation partners to provide new services and experiences. , to further expand the program.
Furthermore, we will additionally introduce RZ in nine countries and regions including Central and South America, providing BEV options to even more customers. By adding the RZ300e to the RZ lineup, LEXUS will further accelerate its transformation into a brand centered on BEVs and respond to the diverse needs of customers.
RZ300e main specifications
full length 4,805mm full width 1,895mm Total height 1,635mm Wheelbase 2,850mm tire size 18/20 inch Cruising distance 599km * Electricity cost 120Wh/km * total power 71.4kWh Fast charging standard CHAdeMO Maximum output (kW [PS]) 150［203.9］ Maximum torque (N･m [kgf･m]) 266［27.1］ * WLTC mode/vehicle with 18-inch tires RZ's driving concept "The Natural"InheritFWD model RZ300e
In the RZ300e, we pursued the RZ's driving concept of ``The Natural,'' which provides a ride that responds obediently to the driver's input, by developing a suspension specifically for FWD. By increasing the energy efficiency of the BEV system, we will expand the cruising range and meet the needs of diverse customers.
- The rear suspension member has been newly developed specifically for FWD. By suppressing noise and unpleasant vibrations, it contributes to improving riding comfort.
- Coil spring, stabilizer, and shock absorber settings are optimized for FWD. Taking advantage of the vehicle weight, which is approximately 100kg lighter than the RZ450e, it has achieved nimble and linear vehicle behavior.
- The inverter that drives the front motor uses a SiC element (silicon carbide) with low power loss, achieving a cruising range of 599km * .
* WLTC mode/vehicle with 18-inch tires By improving the Battery warm-up performance during cold times,Improved quick charging time
A rapid Battery temperature rise system has been adopted for the large capacity Battery exclusively for BEVs. This improves the path for transmitting heat from the air conditioning heater to the Battery mounted under the vehicle floor, minimizing heat loss, quickly raising the temperature of the Battery when it is cold, and improving charging speed. This is what makes it happen. This reduces rapid charging time under low outside temperatures, contributing to improved usability for customers.
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Approximate charging time from when the drive Battery charge warning light turns on to approximately 80% SOC (State of Charge) *
* The charging time is only a guideline and may vary depending on conditions such as outside temperature and charger specifications.
Manufacturer's suggested retail price
(Unit: yen)drive Price * (10% consumption tax included) RZ450e “version L” AWD 8,800,000 RZ300e “version L” FWD 8,200,000 -
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Well, as the originator of this thread, it is time for me to bow out.
I was sorely disappointed with the range forecasts coming from the US so did not hold out a lot of hope for the test drive, and indeed there was nothing to tempt me to buy the RZ following that drive.
There is not much enthusiasm on this forum for the RZ and I cannot see it being available in its current form for too long.
Pretty soon after the RZ drive I tried the ID5, Ariya, Mustang Mach E and Genesis GV60.
My GV60 arrived today. I believe that I have made a good choice, although I too have no rear wiper. The only issue is that my Evoque's value has nosedived in the last two months, so much so that I got £9000 less than the promised trade in from Lexus for August. This car buying lark is perilous.
All the best to owners and fans of the Lexus RZ.
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3 hours ago, wivenhoe said:
Residuals are reducing too - the RR Velar I px’d against the RZ has lost £ 4K in a month. One of the reasons I bought the RZ is that I expect residuals to drop like a stone on ‘prestige cars’ so my Velar could well have lost £ 20k over the next 12 months, so it looked sensible to get rid now.
I am in the same boat but have a more optimistic view of the value of my Evoque in October/November when my Genesis lands. I was offered £42750 part-exchange in April. Motorway are now tracking my car for me.
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On 5/11/2023 at 10:31 PM, wivenhoe said:
In my case, getting 90% residual on the Velar after 2 years against the RZ was a no brainer
I was guaranteed 91% of the price I paid on my 25 month old Evoque but I cancelled my order today.
On 5/11/2023 at 10:31 PM, wivenhoe said:The projected residual of the RZ is 57% to 59% at 3 years by What Car so pretty strong.
As a cash buyer I would worry (in three years time) about trying to sell a car with only 220-230 miles of range with many newer models competing against it by then (eg Cupra Tavascan).
I am very close to completing a deal on a Genesis GV60 with all the bells and whistles, delivery in 5 months. I do not expect my residual to crash before then - I have been watching my car's value over the last year and the drop in value is slow.
As a matter of interest, my car would have been delivered in July or August. The current biggest discounter, Carfile.net, use a London area Lexus dealer, with delivery in January.
The low range did it for me. Also, the wildly varying projections when turning the AC off and on. My anxious wife would have been charging to 100% for every trip! By all accounts, the Genesis has one of the most accurate range projections out there.
I may well try Lexus again in a few years, but for now I will go elsewhere.
On 5/11/2023 at 10:31 PM, wivenhoe said:Good luck deciding and making the right choice.
Here here!
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23 minutes ago, John Adams said:
I've just picked one up on a 3 day extended test
Wow! I just got an hour. The benefits of being a current valued customer I guess 😀
24 minutes ago, John Adams said:One thing it didn't have -or at least I can't find it- is a gauge showing how much charge is in the car.
All i could see was this gauge when driving:
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Different dislikes here.
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2 hours ago, John Adams said:
Disappointed that the there is just a bonnet stay for an expensive premium car. Also, did you notice the charge flap? I have read reports that this is also very flimsy. Did you dim the pano roof and did it work well?
I did indeed try the charge flap because I had read the same as you. It was thin (and large) but it didn't feel like plastic. A bit like my Evoque. I was not keen on the hinge over the AC part of the charge port. Just about every other EV has a rubber pull off section which is much better.
I tried the roof, and it was a sunny day. I didn't notice any dramatic change in the light of the cabin when switching but the sun was not directly overhead. Therefore I will reserve judgement.
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Test drive today. Where to start?
I drove a Takumi but I am considering a Premium, so I had to ignore the switchable glass roof, head up display, ultrasuede upholstery and high definition driver's binnacle amongst other stuff.
In the metal, it is clearly a Lexus, not breathtaking to look at, but at its best from the rear three quarter angle. I was surprised at the length of the bonnet, but disappointed with the basic bonnet prop. The indicators, both front and rear are extremely puny. Nothing sequential here. The interior is spacious and airy, with a minimum of piano black plastic.
The ride is luxurious and the acceleration is spectacular. Brakes are excellent and the regen paddles present quite a range of pressure, although I couldn't see any indication of the level I was using on any screen .
But shall we talk about range? The car was fully charged and showed a range of 176 miles with AC on. Switch off the AC and the range climbed to 220. Switching between the driving modes did not seem to affect the predicted miles, but there was only 330 miles on the clock so perhaps the car didn't have much driving history to work on. The sport mode seemed to replicate the feeling of an ICE car and held no appeal to me. Eco mode seemed to work very well, and Range mode just seemed to turn off the AC.
The driving binnacle seemed a bit muddled, a lot of information but with small symbols/lettering. I didn't try the rear cabin as I don't intend to carry passengers! The infotainment screen disappointed me. You can have only have one function showing at a time, and switching between screens was not intuitive. The trunk seemed adequate.
The navigation was irksome. For instance, one female voice would tell you to take the second exit from the roundabout but “her sister” (different voice) would say “towards....”.
Lots of speed limit bongs.
Lexus Voice Assist would open all windows but not close them! It didn't recognise my requests for various radio stations. Not particularly premium.
So, overall, I would say that as an electric Lexus, the RZ450E is “OK”. I don't like German cars so my selection pool is shallow. I think the Genesis GV60 (my price range) runs it close.
No discount offered at all, other than the pre-order pre-increase price. The trade-in offer is OK but could be £1k better.
I am happy to answer any questions but any reply would be, of course, in my humble opinion.
As a reference point, I currently drive a Range Rover Evoque PHEV R Dynamic SE (not the top spec but reasonably high up).
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Yes that is the best way round😆
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Yes, test drive today, back later.
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I will be back here this evening after a couple of cocktails.🍹🍸🥤.
Don't wait up.
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4 hours ago, Whoever said:
Glad it worked. I will be trying the same strategy in the next couple of hours!
Well that didn't work! Back later with test drives views.
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Glad it worked. I will be trying the same strategy in the next couple of hours!
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17 hours ago, wivenhoe said:
I have a test drive this Thursday and my car is in Portbury, no doubt with plenty of others.
This is the first test drive I have ever had where I am pretty sure I won’t buy !And I have a test drive on Friday!
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Yes, I am a pre-order.
The Mustang was certainly different, just a bit lacking in the luxury department.
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2 hours ago, talaipwros said:
The price just went up by a couple of thousands
I am losing interest fast! The Mustang Mach E I test drove yesterday went up by £3k on 1/4/23.
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14 hours ago, wivenhoe said:
Any idea how accurate the estimates are compared with actual offers ?
No, not really, but when selling my car two years ago, a private buyer matched the quote from WBAC, the highest at that time.
WBAC will knock at least £500 off immediately on inspection - they can find the smallest blemishes!. Have a look at Motorway (often the best quote.)
These quotes are a good bargaining point with dealers regarding trade-in prices.
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Yes, worth a look, thank you.
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17 hours ago, wivenhoe said:
One of the reasons for considering changing is the current high residual on my Velar. It’s 2 years old next month and WeBuy are offering £ 9k less than I paid - £ 375 / month depreciation on a £ 72k car seems really good.
Same here. Paid £47000 (after £4500 discount) 25 months ago for my Evoque. Carwow are currently offering £46200 for the car. Incredible, but I have all the tech which is hard to get currently.
Anyway, Ford Mustang Mache E test drive tomorrow, Nissan Ariya later in the week. Both well equipped, but I doubt that they will feel very "premium".
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14 hours ago, wivenhoe said:
Nor for me. Have you received an email confirming your car is built yet ?
No not yet. I am a cash buyer and my Evoque is two years old, and I usually change every three years. I see that availability for the Model 3 and Mach E is very good........
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23 hours ago, wivenhoe said:
I won’t take the car without a test drive. When I placed the order and parted with £500 I told them it would have to as easy to get in and out off as my Range Rover Velar and that the cost to change would be reasonable.
I have spent some time with the RX this afternoon, primarily to look at the infotainment system, which is shared with the RZ. To be honest, I was underwhelmed with it, compared to my Evoque Pivi Pro.
I was told that the RZ seating level is roughly the same height as the RX, which I would say is a fraction lower than my Evoque.
The RZ is far from a done deal at the moment.
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