harv

not a hope , no way never .

I have had all of the above issues , on my 4th full set of alloys , front stonechipped to hell in 50k miles , dealer was ok , but i wouldn't say the best experience .

I could get the same MPG from the 250 auto as i did from my diesel , and thats even if i wasn't paying ,as mine are company cars .

I am replacing mine in the next month and will be getting a BMW 320d Msport

Lexus diesel

1 not clean enough on CO

2 no auto

3 poor mpg

4 cheap plastics (the bmw interior is way better head and shoulders)

5 it actually has 6 gears i can use

You want the one that mouts on the top air vent in the middle for sat nav as the ones shown while ok for phones means you look down away from the road which for sat nav is to often .

i'll post a picture of mine but i find it perfect ,along with the pre wired holder for my make of satnav .

also there is a nice way to drop the power cable in behind and easily hard wire it so its just a plonk your nav on and go , better than having a cig lighter plugged in .

Slow up chaps i think your a little mis informed her on certain things . Ok yes you are right i think a cat d car would have to have a significant saving over new to make it a sensible choice however a few facts rather than imotive blabbing.

My car was subject to an accident at 3 months old . the damage was rear quater , boot floor and o/s suspention . I spoke to the assesor and he said its at the point of total loss as the damage will be around 9k to repair.

being a lease car i would have just paid the lease off and had to start again on a new lease , the way prices had gone i wouldn't lease the same car , so decided to let them repair the car. They did , it was perfect , and has driven perfectly since (ok lets forget the fuel economy issues shall we ) no creaks rattle in fact i havn't had any of the rattles other new is drives seem to have done .

however come to resale , my car will fetch the same money as any other clean lexus of similar spec and milage because as it wasn't a total loss then its not recorded however it could have been now on the road with a new owner with a cad d rating because at salvage it would have been bought and repaired .

Unless your insurance company uses some dodgey back street repaired a repaired car should be fine , a modern bodyshop is a great place , my mate owns an approved BMW bodyshop and their spot welder which cost 20k records every detail about a car they fit new panels too and if its involved in another accident BMW have them inspected to check that the previous repair didn't weaken anything .... its not a filler and cellulose bodge these days .

righting off alot of cars these days is due to manufacturers costs on new parts even on a 3 month old car , so please think a little carefully about your advice and make sure its factual and not speculative.

this might be the right car at the right price for this buyer , that depends on what the price is.

Finlex is correct - braking is evil and ruins MPG. But.........When was the last time you could drive in an English motorway at a constant speed of 75mph to keep momentum? The roads are terribly congested and you could be breaking the law. You can average 48-50mph only no matter where you go during the day on a motorway. And the car only gives high 30's in MPG. In most cities they have started to "stack" traffic using traffic lights which appears to stay Red longer than green on all major routes going into town centres. So you are always stopping and starting. Use 1st and 2nd gear and the economy goes down.

This is where BMW with ED has hit the right measure for Englands roads.

Lexus is an excellent car elsewhere, let down by a slightly old fashioned design. It is still classed as E4, not E5, so when people say it is the cleanest, what do they mean? CO2 is very high too. Does any person here know what the particulate emission measure is and how it compares to others? It is possible that Lexus have been standing still with the 220d engine trying to fix the bad emission design with all complaints, and everyone else is running away into the distance.

Good to hear that BMW's ED is good for something. For me, it doesn't do a thing.

When I say that Lexus is the cleanest in its class, that is exactly what I mean. MB E 300 Bluetec is significantly better than Lexus in NOX, but even that can't touch Lexus' CO level. Plus it's a lot more expensive. BMW 320d is behind in both NOX and CO. Audi A4 with the new 2.0 TDI (170 hp) is the first real challenger in the class, being a bit better in NOX but a lot more behind in CO. Lexus is Euro5. It's been discussed a lot, since Lexus doesn't say it in the spec sheet. That is only because Euro5 doesn't do anything for now.

CO2 is another thing completely. CO2 is not air pollution, as such. The only reason for all the buzz on CO2 is the global warming. Serious as that may be, cancer and respiratory deceases are more so IMHO.

You could say Lexus has been standing still since the introduction of the 220d, for they haven't updated the engine. But then again, it's only been less than three years. The mid-life facelift would be the logical time to do a touchup, so fingers crossed. Some say Lexus will drop the diesel altogether, but I don't buy it.

Oh yes, the emission figures. Here's the whole package.

Lexus IS 220d: CO 0.13 g/km ; NOX 0.16 g/km ; Particulates 0.002 g/km

MB E 300 A Bluetec: CO 0.187 g/km ; NOX 0.028 g/km ; Particulates 0.001 g/km

BMW 320d: CO 0.249 g/km ; NOX 0.171 g/km ; Particulates 0 g/km

Audi A4 2.0 TDI 170 hp: CO 0.189 g/km ; NOX 0.131 g/km ; Particulates 0.0011 g/km

Euro5 for diesels: CO 0.50 g/km ; NOX 0.23 g/km ; Particulates 0.018 g/km

First of all, all these are Euro5 compliant. As you can see, CO level is very good on Lexus. In NOX, MB with its very sophisticated deNOX technology is the clear winner, Audi is better than Lexus as well but the difference isn't as big. Particulate amount is very, very low on all the candidates, so I would say the differencies are negligible.

Really ????

Marque: BMW

Range: 3 SERIES

Fuel: DIESEL

Transmission: MANUAL

Doorplan: 4 SAL

Trim: 320D SE

Model Introduction Date: 2005-06

Engine (cc): 1995

Level (g/km): 153

Marque: LEXUS

Range: IS

Fuel: DIESEL

Transmission: MANUAL

Doorplan: 4 SAL

Trim: 220D SE

Model Introduction Date: 2005-11

Engine (cc): 2231

Level (g/km): 168

Marque: AUDI

Range: A4

Fuel: DIESEL

Transmission: MANUAL

Doorplan: 4 SAL

Trim: TDI SE 163

Model Introduction Date: 2003-06

Engine (cc): 2496

Level (g/km): 186

Marque: MERCEDES CARS

Range: C CLASS

Fuel: DIESEL

Transmission: MANUAL

Doorplan: 4 SAL

Trim: C220 CDI AVANTGARDE SE

Model Introduction Date: 2002-07

Engine (cc): 2148

Level (g/km): 170

so the bmw is cleaner , and thats the older 163bhp ,not the new efficient dynamics engine ,

Again get your facts correct , our government and the motor industry disagree that the lexus is cleanest.

maybe in finland you have like i have said a different spec. but i always knew that the lexus wasn't cleanest as i pay tax based on those figures.

Don't accelerate down hills, let gravity do it. Its a heavy old car and my A level physics from when the Seventies (Fuel shortages, strikes, fashion etc) were here for the first time included momentum. I keep the momentum up with the least power input to keep it there, hence the 75 mph on the motorway. If you travel at 90 you are constantly braking and accelerating and the MPG hates acceleration. Steady X-coutry A roads can get me 45 MPG but if I have to brake and accelerate I am back at 35-37mpg.

Its all down to the right foot!

but then again .. a bit of a revelation , but audii bmw and mercedes let you use the brakes an accelerator as well ,without drastick mpg issues .... what a shocker.

My 220d (basic) is coming up to 60000miles and I have had the recall done. I can get 55mpg if I cruise at around 70-75mph on the motorway. I have acheived that a number of times. However, I refuse to use the cruise control as that seems to hammer the fuel! Hills and head winds ruin the consumption and I have proved that a number of times driving from Chippenham tp Pontypridd and returning. If I drive into a head wind I get 39mpg and rturning I get 55mpg. The route is the same and the driving style is the same.

I find that 2000rpm in 6th is best for consumption but up to 2500 in 5th is quite good as well.

Mine is a company car and I still have 2 years to run and I do not regret getting the 220. Its a great car and is lovely to cruise on the motorway at 70. Recently I did Chippenham to Stoke up the M5/M6 at 85/90 ish and returned later in the day at 70. Traffice conditions were roughly the same and the return journey took 5 minutes longer and 10mpg better. So what is the point in zooming around everywhere, wasting fuel and brakes when you can sit quite happily in the inside lane and watch the fuel burners zoo past and only get to their destination just before you!!

in that case as i did a 200 mile run with the cruise on in 6th at 75 and managed to scrape 36mpg there is an issue and aserious issue with my car

that and the other early cars we have on our fleet they are the same.

i am just not going to worry anymore its not worth it , i'll never have another lexus diesel unless the courtesy car i get next monday give good mpg .... if it does they can keep mine till it does the same .

anyway i am off to compliment my gas guzzling 911 with a gass guzzling v8 audi , but then neither of thos "claim to be economical "

oh and as for 57mpg ... i can't get that from mine if i coast and use neutral for every down hill stretch .

did you miss the comment from the gentleman who wrote software for a fleet company ,whos data showed 80% of their is220d drives had complaints ... have you not listend to the people who have actually sold there cars at a loss becuase they were so agreved?

no?

really

oh i forgot the is220 is great , ....... or yes it wouldbe if i got 40+ mpg .

mine does not and fwiw let me judge my opinion of the economy on actual real life experience like ,every time i have visited my dealer there is another diesel driver complaining (yes every time)

and all the diesel drives i have met and spoken to face to face all claim the same ,and in the last few months thats 7 real people ..... alot fot a great car don't you think.

what i am trying to get across to you is that i have had many cars that have had "special" driving styles to get best from them , they all are used for circuit racing , and MPG has never been high on their feature list .... most people would say the handling was twitchy and dangerous , and would struggle to see the best from them .

They are built to a purpose

However your average mass market fleet diesel engine should be able to nowadays produce 40mpg driven by any monkey .

and yes i would accept 10% down on the market leaders but have a search and even those claiming good mpg are saying it 38 to 39 on a run .... still way off 10% down.

my motive is clear .. for lexus to look and acknowlage the issues and try and have dialogue with there customers to resolve it .

it is the engine , and the gearing combined .... its quite simple

drive like miss daisy and you will see terrible economy

drive like a normal driver and you'll see something thats laughable .

there isn't a fix lexus can come up with so they'll drop the model and when they do it will be for no other reason than it being a money sapping failure .

And yes i am and will continue to bash the 220d till someone gives me one that i can drive normally and see 40+ mpg .....

you do and your happy .

the large majority of 220d drivers don't i am not willing to drive like you , that does not make me wrong for not adjusting to drive slower than my gran what it actually does is make the engine terrible !!!!

harv,i feel sure that your car has some problems because last summer i drove back from st.ives at 90mph to leicester and avg just over 40 mpg.i beleive that the low mpg on the loan cars could be down to the high urban useage coupled with the fact that most people cane the loan car.why not ask the dealer to loan you a car for a week for a true comparison.

the service manager said mines fine ..... i do not belive him.

Finlex ... when will you understand that you have a totally diferent gearing setup .... search the forum the lhd spec cars are not the same ,and again you have a sport anyway so you have totally different geaing

And what part of a 400 mile round trip using cruise control with no traffic at 75mph returning 36mpg don't you understand .... that was motorway .. no traffic at all didn't stop going up ,or back .... 36mpg .... is useless , did you not see the post above , fleet users reported 80% of drivers were unhappy with fuel economy . Do you not understand that thats alot of drivers who have issues , belive what you want but a uk non sport spec car in most situations is awful compared to it direct rivals .

Its not me .... its not jut a few people , its a large percentage of users .... and tell me this ... why does every courtesey car i get in have a tank average of 30 maybe 32 mpg ?

why?

maybe because thats what they do , and thats **** .

if lexus had said it would do 32 and thats what the competition got then no issue , but they don't and lexus havn't .... but you'll never understand whats been pointed out to you by various people on this thread and those who have simply given up saying it.

i am glad you get good economy and i am glad you enjoy your car .... trust me if on a run mine did 40+ mpg i would be happy too

Finlex i am sorry if you think i have been overly agressive in my replys but this really did need to be said and you gave no argument that would stand up for the lexus being a good diesel (if anything you also confirmed how bad it is ) and you don't have the longer standar diff ratio which makes it worse.

Lexus have totally screwed up ,the cars DO NOT give the stated figures and never will its fundementally flawed , its a real real shame because i agree its a lovely car to look at ,the handling is nice (if slightly harsh over some surfaces) and it has r the most comfortable seats in its class by a big margin ..

I truely belive if lexus went back , forgot euro 5 , removed the 5th injector system remapped the engine and changed the gearbox and final drive ratio's they would have a 50mpg car that sold well .

They i can't go back , and thats why they will ditch the diesel they have hurt their brand more than they would ever have wanted to and this issn't the time they should have been doing that , stateside they are fine there is no diesel and thats a big market for them so lets hope they don't suffer to much ,

They are the only japanese car maker who has got close to a european feel inside their car as they all strive to be "german" just ask citreon their latest ads confirm this .

But i think lexus should be man enough to appologise and say we got it wrong , cause the happy users of this diesel are buy far in the minority ... great car ... very poor engine ... andthats VERY poor ... not just disapointing.

Sorry mate, didn't mean to imply that at all, as long as you can still enjoy the car I've got no problem with it :)

Was just saying that if I had to work that hard, I wouldn't enjoy it at all so you're right, it isn't the car for me

Well said. I too hope that everyone could be happy with their car. And that includes Harv.

if it gave 40mpg i would love it ....... it would be fine and i would except it not as good as the oposition but not awfull

36mpg whilst doing 200 miles with the cruis on in a diesel was awful plain and simple .

you have a sport diff and belive me i have driven the sport , the ratio's are so much better and tbh i belive thats a major plus for you ....

but if you belive that the way you described is the way to acheive fuel economy then i belive you would see 70mpg out of a VAG car or bmw or even a mercedes .... thats the issue

i don't care about consumption what i do care about is seemingly por consumption compared to others in its class , today we have tested an RS4 cabriolet audi yes it did 20mpg in a semi urban drive , but look what we get for that compromise ,and its similar mpfg to everything else thats simlar that we have looked at .

my wife won't be doing more than a 30 mile motorway commute so we can suffer 25mpg ....

thought i would say,about six weeks ago a friend of mine came over with his 320d the 163bhp and we were comparing notes.i sat in his car clicked onto his trip computer and it said 37mpg.also if you visit the audi forums there are many mixed veiws on fuel economy.

You have a point there - our A3s and A4s were only getting 37mpg as well. We've got a 2.0T A3 at the moment and the slight increase in fuel economy is more than compensated by the smoother petrol engine.

as i have said before .. i would love to see 37mpg ...... mixed driving this week has given a tank average over 300 miles of 29.9

We have similar background, but very different views on this matter. There most definitely is a special driving style for this car. I've driven a lot of diesels, VAG especially. Not a single one of them has been as delicate as the 220d. It has to driven between 1500 and 2000 rpm and full stops have to be avoided at all cost. Uphill driving, not to mention uphill accelerating, is poison. Keeping the momentum is essential, even more so than with any other car I've driven. That is extremely difficult in heavy urban traffic, which is why I don't recommend the 220d to anyone for that kind of use. But in extra-urban conditions, driving like I said, it returns proper mileage. Not top class, but not terrible either.

Finlex i am about to do something very british my friend ...... your background is in engineering is it ? you think what you have stated above is how a car should be driven or you accept that to get a decent economy then thats what you need to do ?

maybe this explains why most F1 teams are based in the UK because my friend you sound like the type of man who i wouldn't employ in an engineering company to sweep the floor .....

if you and anyone else agrees thats that the way i should drive my lexus (or any other car for that matter ) to return good fuel economy i pity you .

YOU ARE WRONG

thst way i think i could maybe get decent fuel economy out of a nice big bentley.......

its no wonder people think there isn't a problem if thats the driving style.

there are cars being used that return good economy the early ones don't , and ok i never stop and start .... err you don't understand england do you and i am sure you would quite simply be horrified by london traffic .

audi arn't

bmw arn't

ford arn't

and fwiw i went out in my neighbours 635d tonight to pop up the road with him ..... and we reste the trip and dis a normal driving stop start up and down hill run and it returned from cold 42mpg

TBH forget it .... you like your car and your happy driving in that fashion and i think you'll continue to enjoy it .

i'll never convince you its a poor diesel engine .

for those who get a good fuel economy from their diesel again thats great .

i don't

others don't

and not 1 single person who owns a diesel and has driven my car has said any different ... the economy is attrotious.

if anyone is in the south UK and wants to drive my car along say a 30 mile journey to show me how driving in a manor approved by the IAM and acheive 40+mpg feel free.

...

Harv,

not everything I said was pointed at you. The driving style part, for one. I just wrote a general view on all the aspects of this infamous mileage problem with the 220d.

A few months back I wrote in a thread a short description of my driving style. A few of the responses were something like "I can't drive like that" or "That can't be the right way"! So I was getting the mileage these guys wanted, but they were telling me I was wrong? :duh:

Now, what you did in your last message was exactly what I've seen many people doing: telling references with other cars. As I said, they don't count. This is another car and another world. It needs to be driven in the right way for it, not in the right way for other cars. And if your driving style or conditions or whatever just don't work for the 220d, then I would suggest you move on, like Harrydavy did. The car is what it is, and if you just can't make it fit your needs, then you need another car. It is as simple as that.

What I still don't get is that the ones getting poor mileage seem to be telling me that there is nothing wrong with their driving, it's all in the car. I'm getting 48 MPG tank after tank and 50+ on a run, easy. If the car is the same, surely the difference must be in the driving? Okay, so not everyone can do their driving purely in extra-urban environments. As I said, urban driving is not the 220d's homefield. If you look at the gear ratios, this becomes very evident. The sport version (which I have), is better but still far from perfect.

The 31.4 I mentioned is, as said, the very worst case scenario in Finland. That is downtown Helsinki in the rush hour with the eternal (it seems) road constructions all around. The slowest leg, about a quarter-mile from the Parliament House to the Forum parking hall, took me 20 minutes. So, first gear most of the time, second at best and a lot of idling. The rest of the test run wasn't quite as bad, but third gear was a rare thing.

So I think it's fair to say that my car isn't that bad on fuel economy. Maybe some are not the same. But Lexus trying to fix it isn't real evidence that there is an actual problem with the car. This fuel economy issue is real because some Lexus' customers are struggling with it. I just think that if there was a concrete malfunction, they already would have come up with a solution. Therefore I think those still complaining are expecting the car to do something it just can't do. There are a lot of things the 220d can't do, because it is far from being perfect. But no-one in their right mind can say that anything else in the class is perfect, even the all-mighty BMW. There are different needs, there are different solutions. Each to their own, I say.

One more thing, harv. Somehow I'm getting the impression you think that every 220d in England is faulty. I don't share that view, not at all. I've seen many posts from English 220d owners reporting similar mileage to mine. In fact, on this forum most of the complaining has been down to just a handful of people. I really think that the car is the same everywhere, but the driving conditions are not. There just seems to be some environments especially in the big English cities that the 220d can't really cope with. The 220d seriously isn't an all-rounder, but that doesn't make it terrible, as such.

i agree that a car with the sport dif is better , i have driven a 22d sport and found the mpg better for my driving. however just so you know how bad it can be this morning i reset the av mpg and set off to see 3 clients in london. I did not eceed 2500rpm , never laboured the engine and had no traffic light Gp's traffic was quite heavy but not as bad as it had been what was todays av ?

20.4mpg ........ my driving ? urban conditions? sorry i don't buy it . what you will also notice is that the complains come from the drivers of the earlier 220d's

we have several on the fleet and they all perform with poor mpg and they all have different drivers in differing parts of the uk ...... there should be no special style to get good economy and if you belive this then i am afraid you are wrong , yes petrol to diesel there is a different way to drive .

the comparison of different cars of course is valid i have to pull you up on that because the whole reason any performance figures are quoted is for comparison , be it in terms of speed ,power ,acceleration or just economy.

My background is in engineering , i have been involved in motorsport for many years , and trust me i realise that there are trade off in producing a decent performance diesel engine .... lexus as yet cannot hold a torch to audi bmw ford or vauxhaul at the moment on engines no excuse.

Ok . there appears to be a difference here . Finlex states what seems a valid argument but i belive the european cars are not the same .

Finlex what is your final drive ratio?

I have visited Finland many times and even Helsinki in rush hour is nothing traffic wise to compare to london outside it you just don't have the population to even have similar driving conditions and your geography is nothing like the same .

All that asside lets consider my driving experience and cars , diesels 205 Dturbo 40mpg + all day long Citreon Picasso 2.0hdi 40+mpg all day long vaxhaul cavalier 1.7 tdi 40+ mpg all day long seat leon fr150 tdi , this even averaged 20mpg after being used on a circuit for a day but was a 45+mpg car all the time mercedes 280 cdi 34mpg and a big auto ....... then the lexus 30mpg average , current reading after minimal urban driving 31.4 mpg ,thats just terrible if they didn't think it was an issue then they would not be trying to fix it IT is problem .

I bet if lexus lent me a 2.0 avensis diesel it would return well into the 40's

Ok you say harv is a driving saint he never has bad gas milage , wrong finlex , Subarau legacy 3.0 flat 6 spec b 17 mpg average , my 911sc 18mpg , but then the elise 34mpg our old 205 with 130k miles on the clock 28mpg

Harrydavy proves the point he switches brand and his mpg rises dramatically its the car ,and certain uk conditons + maybe uk fuel but whatever it is its definately isn't right.

and please please don't patronise by saying learn to drive it? i have driven over a million miles spent many many of those in one of the busiest cities in the world , had over 20 cars in that time and never had the complaints i have with the lexus , i am not being over critical but the engine and gearbox are poor in diesel form.

i have never seen so many posts on a diesel forum with referance to poor mpg anywhere?

even the rx400hybrid i was lent returned 30mpg

its a great car ..... nice spec ,nice looks but i belive they have failed the end user in terms of economy and i would be willing to meet a driver who gets over 40mpg and ask him to drive a route in mine and compare ..... maybe if he suddenly saw 32mpg they would think ,ok maybe there is a point here however why whenever i get a loan 220d do i jump in and see tank average of low 30's?

thats not me thats someone else driving it/.

I use cruise on the motorway often , i have seen my tank average after a few days in london reading 23mpg ,its at its worst in traffic , and yes had all the injector and ecu stuff done previously.

before the merc for 2 years i had a leon cupra 150tdi and drove it more often than not in a manner that wasn't the best ,and it never dipped below 40mpg , even after all the central london jams , i am lucky in that my car choice is so wide i can be picky in what i have and belive me i really want the lexus to be stunning because its lovely looking and the most comfortable we tested (ok not quite the e class comfort but thats down to tyre profile)

I have really tried to get it to do 40mpg i have driven in a manor that would make miss daisy look like a holigan but to no avail..... and yes i care about running costs because bottom line in the business affects me .

its really really sad that they had the opertunity to compete with bmw but on the diesel front they have shut the door , things like the new passat cc if well speced look like a likely alternative but disapointed that thats only a 140bhp diesel.

i really should just accept it but unless people keep on moaning its never going to get any better.

maybe an email to whatcar should be fired off today as it all getting me down a bit .... lovely car lexus but terrible engine and worse gearbox ... you got it wrong .

and tbh ,your dealer attitude makes me thing they are frustrated too

i already have had a 220d ,and it was equally crap .... as are the ones my colleges drive who have all previously had no issues with "other" brands

It's really weird how the 220d polarises opinions. I've got 2 colleagues who have got 220ds and are so delighted with them that they have re-ordered exactly the same car (different colours) for their next lease.

Me too i am Happy with my IS220d had it now just over 4 weeks and i avg 43 MPG on the tank

compared to my IS200 sport which was avg about 25 i am well happy.

Just one question but dont bite me head off is the car yours or is it a Company lease car??

As when i used to have company cars, i was never happy with them, but then again all i paid was the Tax

on it, and it was gone in 2-3 years and another one was there for me. so i never really owned it to appreciate it.

Its a lease car ,but in my opinion should make no difference to the driving experience and i am not restricted to a small car list when i lease (i thing there were something like 150 cars to chose from in varying specs.

The reason you think 43mpg is good is your previous car (and belive me i thing 43 isn't bad either if i was getting that) however consider having a car that only does 5mpg more than your last petrol car and you may not be so happy .

being a lease car i do 30k a year in it so it needs to be right , trust me i put up with the challenges of the porsche and lotus i also drive but expect my daily driver to perform better.

prior to this i ran a merc 280cdi for 6 months

Fuel Consumption (Urban) 28 mpg

Fuel Consumption (ExtraUrban) 50.4 mpg

Fuel Consumption (Combined) 39.2 mpg

0-62mph 7.6 seconds

Top Speed 149 mph

Minimum Kerb Weight 1695 kg

it was used for the same journeys in and out of town ,was an auto and in 8k miles it averaged 34mpg which isn't far off the claimed combined figures.

compare those figures to the lexus

Fuel Consumption (Urban) 35.8 mpg

Fuel Consumption (ExtraUrban) 52.3 mpg

Fuel Consumption (Combined) 44.8 mpg

0-62mph 8.9 seconds

Top Speed 134 mph

Minimum Kerb Weight 1585 kg

so why do i constantly see tank averages below 30mpg week in week out and on a motorway cruise see 36mpg tops .... more usually 33mpg?

yes mine is an earlier 56 plate car and tbh i can't see me having another one after this, i'll go german again.

and it would be interesting to know what percentage of the 220d's have gone to the fleet market as i would hazzard a guess its alot more than the private ones and i'll also hazzard a guess there are alot of fleet managers also noting the economy of these and winceing

the clutch judder is a new clutch and flywheel,had mine done afew weeks ago.strange about the oil consumption mine has never needed topping up at all in 39k also been out today 80 mile round trip all aroads between 50and 60 mph returned 53mpg.good luck.

clutch judder comes and goes but worse when hot and in heavey traffic , did your gearchange become very notchy 2?

i unfortunately don't have faith that all the issues will be resolved as i have yet to see lexus admit and deal with the fuel economy issues , I have not had any of the interior rattles people moan about so maybe thats a bonus.

yes it did and particularly noticeable when hot.have you had the fifth injector recall done.

had a load of work done on the 5th injector etc ,was in for 4 days a while ago and i saw no noticible increase in economy ..... the last time it was in the service manager told me it was the way i drive it ...

that may be correct but when i drove my audi , bmw seat and merc in the same way they all gave over 40mpg . so i just don't buy it .

ask the dealer for a220 when yours goes in and do like for like comparisons then you will know.

i already have had a 220d ,and it was equally crap .... as are the ones my colleges drive who have all previously had no issues with "other" brands

the clutch judder is a new clutch and flywheel,had mine done afew weeks ago.strange about the oil consumption mine has never needed topping up at all in 39k also been out today 80 mile round trip all aroads between 50and 60 mph returned 53mpg.good luck.

clutch judder comes and goes but worse when hot and in heavey traffic , did your gearchange become very notchy 2?

i unfortunately don't have faith that all the issues will be resolved as i have yet to see lexus admit and deal with the fuel economy issues , I have not had any of the interior rattles people moan about so maybe thats a bonus.

yes it did and particularly noticeable when hot.have you had the fifth injector recall done.

had a load of work done on the 5th injector etc ,was in for 4 days a while ago and i saw no noticible increase in economy ..... the last time it was in the service manager told me it was the way i drive it ...

that may be correct but when i drove my audi , bmw seat and merc in the same way they all gave over 40mpg . so i just don't buy it .

the clutch judder is a new clutch and flywheel,had mine done afew weeks ago.strange about the oil consumption mine has never needed topping up at all in 39k also been out today 80 mile round trip all aroads between 50and 60 mph returned 53mpg.good luck.

clutch judder comes and goes but worse when hot and in heavey traffic , did your gearchange become very notchy 2?

i unfortunately don't have faith that all the issues will be resolved as i have yet to see lexus admit and deal with the fuel economy issues , I have not had any of the interior rattles people moan about so maybe thats a bonus.

Booking the car in tomorrow and its not looking like a short visit .

1 O/S suspention knock/rattle , suspect either wishbone bushes or upper mount bush from the way its very noisy over mildly uneven road rather than bumps

2 Clutch judder , worse when hot and in heavy traffic .

3 fuel is still sub 30mpg usually did a run to manchester and back ... steady 75mph and cruise on with no traffic there or back and got a heady 36mpg

did a long run on the motorway yesterday after a fill and she got 33mpg ..... its bloody woefull agreed that heavy footedness makes it worse but a cruise at 75 should see well into the 40's

4 oil consumption , anyone else noticed this / 3 ltrs in 10k ,never had to top it at all in the first 20 between services ,but this time the oil indicator kept comming on , and when i followed the wife i noticed that it puffed a good dose of white smoke every time she pulled away from a junction ,and shes far from heavy footed turbo oil seals going?

5 really unhappy with the drivers seat wear , its sagging badly and i can feel a solid metal bar under my backside , ok i may be not exactly svelt but 14.5 stone ain't exactly huge.

6 seat coolers , they don't seem to pump out much in the way of cold air now , hardly feel anything on both front seats.

7 disapointed the drivers mat has worn a hole through , doubt they will replace under warrenty but it holed at 22k and a year old ? hardly long lasting for factory mats

8 now convinced that the low down power is woefull really finding pulling away isn't great and leaves me feeling vunerable , and tbh having the over 60's in nissan micras continually beat you at a set of lights without trying is becomming a pain .

In 20 years and a million and a half miles this is fast becomming the most disapointing car i have ever owned , it promised so much but appears to be delivering so little

No passenger in car this morning and the Airbag ON light is showing in orange in the centre console....

unless you find a nice piece of matt black stick back plastic and the light disapears forever ....... annoys the hell out of me so its now OFF as i can't see it.