thanks for the rapid replies guys, well purchased new valeo clutch today £164.(trade) motor factors cannot supply flyweel, genuine only, got on to lexus wolverhampton to ask there advise, quote. change flywheel at every clutch change, thats fine for them to say but at £ 800+vat its more than i can afford the week before xmas, i am going to fit the new clutch, old flyweel and gearbox back in tonite, i will let you know weather i;ve still got the judder tomorror, stewart