nate73

Hello all i am thinking of changing My 2000 plated IS200 Sport for

a IS220d about 1-2 year old, but after looking at the Forum in the IS220D and 250 section

the bad vibes on here ref the diesel, I am thinking crikey are they really that Bad.

Gear ratio problems

MPG

Injector problems

Have Lexus really got it that wrong with a diesel version??

Is there anyone that thinks it is worth me getting

I am up and down the M42/M6 south everyday for work with a round trip of

46 mile per day

Advice needed please as it is a big commitment for me to make.

My experiance of Lexus so far has been real wow factor My IS200 has served me well with Little maintenance

cost with 146k on clock, but high Fuel usage.

Matt

Mattstheone

I do an 84 mile round trip each day in my 220d, 80% motorway and average 35-36mpg. I cant use 6th as anything less than 90 will have you dropping to 5th every five minutes when you dab the brakes! However, there doesn't seem to be many guys with the 220d sport on here complaining, so maybe the different gearbox improves things?

TBH with the mileage you're quoting a petrol would make better sense.

Then again don't listen to me I'm just on here to moan at Lexus GB!

The driving style is the real key with these. I don't use 6th gear at all; where the road permits I will sit at 80mph in 5th (approx 2500rpm) and drive around at 2k rpm on all other roads changing up at approx 2500rpm - if you do anything else the economy suffers as the car will labour. If this means I have to be in a gear lower than my previous cars then so what?

As a result I get 40mpg all the time and 42+ on a run. And to cap it all, it's a new car that I have just taken past the 2000 miles mark and so expect it only to get better as time goes on.

Still very much loving mine and it's a shame there are a few that aren't

Cheers

Keith

Keith, Thats the problem. I'm driving in exactly the same way you are! 10mins at 40 to the motorway then sit at 80 for 35mins on cruise in 5th - Result this morning - mpg drop to 35.5. I give up, feel this is going to be a v short relationship with lexus, pity as the rest of the car is great.

Can you guys all please make sure you add your vote HERE if you haven't already?

An official recall in Europe heh? That's interesting! Does that mean that they have a fix for it, or will they just replace it with another one which'll last 12 months???

PS - I get this feeling that they didn't test the system thoroughly enough "globally", and finally an admission that something is wrong! It has taken 2 years!

Jamboo, Problem is an injector just doesn't clog up, I'm running v-power diesel so it shouldn't be an issue anyway (Dont mention the price!). It must be an overdose of diesel - whether its the fuel pump or bad mapping of the ecu I dont know. I do know that changing an injector will improve the mpg as a matter of course, initially anyway (But then is the 5th is used under extra load or for emmisions?) - Maybe they have been using this as a convenient explanation with little outlay to appease customers in the short term! I'm sure I read something about dodgy fuel pumps on this board somewhere.

I have had my IS220d Sport for just over 6 months and I do majority town 80% and 20% motorway and have never gotten over 31mpg combined. Altho I did do a motorway run few weeks back to luton and back and got a reading of 33mpg. My mpg does not improve at all even if I am on the motorway even doing 70mph for 2 hours on the go. According the Lexus official figures I should see easily 37-38 mpg on a motorway run. The diesel sport is definitely badly designed but cant complain as I do mostly town and get over 30mpg, hence have not moaned much. But there is definitely something wrong with this engine. My brother has an 2001 Avensis 1.8 with 120k on it and it still returns better fuel economy then mine, imagine. Lexus really need to sort their engine out if they are going to keep the company car customers on board.

My mate has the 140bhp verso and gets 46mpg. 80mph at 2400rpm in 6th - proper gearbox. Also noticed that all verso 180bhp D4D's get the same gripe about fuel consumption. Anyone know of any differences between the 140bhp other that the obvious?

I took delivery of my new 220d SE 10 days ago and over the past 1000 miles I've averaged 36.7mpg - 80% motorway - I understand the comments made by others here about Audi & BMW having better fuel economy but in addition to the qualities of the Lexus brand I was rather hoping for an economical diesel too!

The whole idea of getting the diesel was to enjoy the best of both worlds - the quality & enjoyment of the Lexus (and I've still got the stupid 'new car' grin) with the added bonus of decent fuel economy - at sub 37mpg I do feel a bit let down by Lexus and their assertions of a 44.8 mpg average.

I have the new car grin too - soon disappears when i indicate to go into the services and the 320d sails past!!

Big problem is that lexus/toyota don't seem to know what's wrong and are happily changing the 5th injector to placate customers. Maybe we should all ask for an annual fuel supplement!!!

Firstly - hello and welcome. There are so many threads on this - do we really need a new one ?

It gets worse from my experience rather than better as the miles pile on. Mine is in for it's 20k serrvice next week Lets see if anything improves, and for how long.

For what it's worth, I can get a max of 500 miles per tank full at a push, current Tank Average is 37.5, 90% motorway driving and always using acceleration/gears sensibly.

I just hope that it is the 5th Injector - if it is then I will be asking LGB for an unconditional extension to the warranty beyond 3 years for that part...mine will be on it's 3rd if it is the cause and they replace it.

The diagnostic thing could be a dodgy diagnostic machine...

Jamboo,

Thanks for the info. I'm getting about 470 with the same sort of driving (80% M'way). Bit worried as they say 5th injector has already been changed in Jan. If they can't sort it I'll see what deal can be done on an exchange for a 250 as the fuel bill will be about the same!!! Wont hold my breath tho....

Think in an attempt to meet emmision standards they forget about consumption...

Classic example cold engine revving at 1200 to heat the engine quicker.... Bull****

They didn't do a good job on that either as co2 isn't great! Fortunately I'm on the m'way after 10 mins of starting up so dont have to put up with it...

Out of interest what do you get mpg and tank wise out of yours??

With regard to the EGR valve. Edinburgh told me they found a fault whilst replacing the mirror, reported this to Glasgow when it was in getting other work done, they couldn't find any fault via inspection or diagnostics and commented that I was the 3rd car with a reported fault that couldn't be traced.

Couple of points.

What mileage has your car done as fuel consumption gets better after 10k and also this isn't the best time of year to judge fuel consumption.

Know how you feel thought the purpose of diesel was increased fuel consumption.....

Lexus.... "Still seeking the Pursuit of Perfection" and a long way to go with diesel's

Its done 21k. I bought it at 20k and they did the 20k service as part of the deal. Agreed that the time year doesn't help but I've just got rid of a S60 D5 that happily coughed up 42mpg year round! Such a shame as other than mpg/gearbox (Linked??) its a cracking car.

Interesting to note that the 140 horse D4D doesn't sufer in the same way as the 180. My mate has a verso which is sat at 80mph with 2400rpm (Proper gearbox!) giving genuine 46mpg! , less aerodynamic less powerful vehicle giving 10mpg more (Albeit 40Kg less )!

Hi All, Anyone aware if Lexus have admitted to the problem on the D4D engine - I've just bought a 220d SEL and experiencing the same problems with mpg (35mpg tops) as most of the other people on here. It had its 5th injector replaced in January apparently, so not sure what I should do next, any ideas? I've seen people quote egr valve and fuel pumps - any one know the definitive problem with it?

Anyone had experience driving both the Lexus IS 220D and a Volvo S60 SE D5 G/tronic?

Was impressed with the test drive in the 220d but after reading the comments on this forum, and the readers views on What Car? I am starting to have doubts.

The comments on the Volvo forums and the What Car? readers views seem to be much more possitive.

I am worried that after two Volvo's, after a few weeks of driving a 220D I may be dissapointed.

Any thoughts ???

Cheers

Undecided form Essex!

Hi, I've changed from a S60 D5 to a 220d sel a couple of weeks ago - now I've got used to the extra toys and concentrating on the driving I'm quite dissappointed. The main gripe is the usual - gearbox ratios are v poor - sport would most likely be better for the uk roads. Mine is driving me mad! The other is poor mpg. Based on miles done per refill rather than computer I'm getting 35ish compared to 42mpg on the S60 - bear in mind that I was driving 10mph quicker in the S60 and 80% motorway 40 miles each way on my commute

I've contacted the dealer who tells me the 5th injector was replaced in January so I'm not sure where to go next. All I know is I'll be spending an extra £700 in fuel if this keeps up over the year!

I suppose its what you are going to be doing with it - if less than 20k a year I'd go with the IS250 if 20k+ I'd look at another brand. Wish I'd found this site before I bought mine!