Thanks for the advice. What it does not tell you in the handbook is that if you put the key in the iginition and turn it to "On" thats with all the lights showing ready to start, and then wait for 10 minutes before turning the key further to start, it started first time. I have to thank the wonderful guys at Lexus Service Centre in Chester for being so helpful to me this morning. Car is running again and no divorce imminent! SG