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Ok about the trim, here it is called Excellence but it is pretty much the same thing, more or less as luxury trim.

Guys don't be funny 😄 I have now two 450h and I can tell difference between 300h and 450h 😄 btw I found a video where it was mentioned that from 2016 they are a bit tamed and that is exactly what I feel, gas consumption is also better, I got used to it.

Of course I meant virtual gears not real ones, what I was wondering if it doesnt have some different programing since there is 6 vs 8 so I was refering maybe they did also some other adjustment. The car is just not behaving with the same character. I haven't driven another facelift model but I will try to ask friend of mine which has F Sport 2018 to test it, good idea. Regarding generation, both are 4 gen. 🙂

Hey guys, I have had 2012 450h in luxury trim for about a year, very pleased with the car I bought facelift model from 2016 also luxury trim, but when I drove the new one from the last owner back home and reparked cars I was shocked,that my old one is actually super strong compared to this new one. Different engine sound too. Basically the difference is in more immediate throttle response, but also feeling of more HP from the old one, in Sport and Sport+ the old one when pressed very quickly full throttle, it goes first to around 5000-6000rpm and then it pulls, new one is more gradual and it doest this only when already being in around 2000-3000 rpm, feels like it is trying to be effective. I would say it feels at least 70hp more in the old one. It just pushes me so strong into seat where the new one is more gradual but even that doesnt feel same at the peak. 2012 has 6speed 2018 has 8speed, I also noticed that 2016 is better in fuel economy. I'm wondering, I have bought this 2016 in Switzerland, could it be somehow reprogrammed specifically for this country so it gives better fuel economy but also worse performance? I was also thinking if there isn't some different air filter in this new one which causes the sound to be much more quite too and also response to be difference but to me it seems like software is differently programmed. What do you think guys?