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THANK YOU! Car number 1 does not have electric seats. I guess it's not premium then, but the deal seems good anyways. Will ask about the software upgrade.

I appreciate the feedback. Should i go for premium or just executive? Am i missing out on something? Do you think the prices are reasonable?

I am kinda new to the equipment that comes with Lexus. I have 3 offers ready to decide. Will pick one of these babies up on Friday. 1: https://www.wayke.se/objekt/3125d31b-b9c0-49be-9cc8-c93caa0be950/lexus-nx-300h-awd-executive-navigation-dragkrok-select-garanti-automat This one has 74.000 miles on the clock with executive package. Does not seem to have Carplay/AA. Full Lexus guarantee until 2028 or 125.000 miles. Price is 21.170£ (i know, its insane). He will throw in a set of winter tyres for a value of 2500£ and interest at 6% with 50% down payment. Car 2: https://www.wayke.se/objekt/f9e2bdad-24ba-44b3-9305-698c87015c47/lexus-nx-300h-awd-executive-premium-nav-varmare-drag-automat This one has the premium package with electric seats etc. I dont quite know the difference. 72.000 miles, no winter tyres in the deal, and slightly more pricey at 23.680£ and interest at 6.6% (also 50% down payment). Also Lexus Guarantee. Car 3 (i hope this link works) https://www.blocket.se/annons/stockholm/lexus_nx_300h_awd_2_5_awd_e_cvt_luxury_se_spec_197hk/1000117651 2015, so it's older that the others with less miles at only 43.400 miles. It has the luxury package with ML, HU display and other goodies. Well looked after, only serves at Lexus but not sold by them. I gave Lexus a call and the guarantee does not apply to cars not sold by them he told me, even if the car has been exclusively served at Lexus. The seller of this object insisted though that it does. Price is 22.200£ un-negotiated. Seems expensive for a 8 year old car but the market is crazy right now. We are set on the NX after trying it, and will drive the car for 3 years before switching (we always do that) or at least have the option to buy it or trade it in for something else so second hand value at 2025-2026 is of some importance at least. Tough choices. I wanted this one for 18900 and a set of winter tires and 6.1% interest but wifey refused since she think it's to old, and won't be worth it when we trade it in, but i have to show you this beauty (one out of 7 in Sweden): https://www.wayke.se/objekt/09289578-6367-45a5-b670-8667c11742f5/lexus-gs-450h-f-sport-mark-levinson-automat So, Whats your thoughts when everything comes around? Guarantee, age, equipment, miles etc.

Thanks for the feedback - i live in Sweden. Prices are absolutely soaring right now on RX450, like my topic said. I think almost 20k is way too much for a 11-13 year old car, where some don't even have ML. It is very hard to find a RX450h with good ownership history. Just because i looked away from GS450h, a 2012, in perfect condition showed up. It had EVERYTHING except a sun roof. Fully served at Lexus, one owner, and just 60.000 miles on the clock..it got sold in 3 days (since it is only like 200-300 GSH450 in the entire country). The other issue is IS-models. We dont get IS or GS350 here, and i dont think GS250 is value for money, neither is IS300 since 98% of the IS on market here in Sweden don't have ML or leatherseats. Just executive. Amazingly it seems to be a enormous task to purchase a Lexus in Sweden - might have to look for a Volvo. Like i said, you can get a 4 year old V90 or V60, with leather seats, sun roof, big audio and all the safety goodies. I just feel like the reliability is far away from Lexus, and that maintenance is more expensive and breakdowns are more probable.

Hi boys! You might remember me from the GS-forum, where i was on the fence of buying a GS450h. That did not happen, so i started to look at other models. Found the RX450h, had 3 of them at dealers 5 minutes away from me, so i went and tried two of them out - a golden 2010 luxury and f-sport with 62.000 miles and one owner, and a 2013 luxury with 3 previous owners with 83500 miles on the clock. I decided that i liked the latter better, since it felt more comfortable on rough roads and was a bit more up to date. The price was a staggering 19800£ with Zero room for negotiating. The car was serviced perfect up until 2020-03 when the 3rd owner decided to skip it until he traded it in. So the car had not been serviced between 2020-03 - 2023-01 and 25700 miles. The dealer said the car had been through rigorous testing and had been serviced (the big one, new spark plugs etc), so i decided to buy it. Had it for 4 days before i returned to the dealer to return the car. On day 3, it became choppy. While accelerating, the car kind of held back a bit, then a kick came, then it held back, etc. I also noted that the last 4 times i started it, the car made a strange noise, kind of like a muffled bang, and it took 3-4 seconds for it to start. No problems to return it, but here i am. I thought 19800£ was steep for a 83k miles car that is 11 years old, but i just fell in love with it and want another one. The prices are absolutely insane though. If you want a 2016 with 65.000 miles on the clock, you have to pony up 27500£ without a sweat. These are cars that are sold by non-Lexus dealers - if you want a certified car from then, you have to add 3000-4000£. My previous experience did not dent my entusiasm though, but these prices do. I can pay it, but how sensible is it, from a financial standpoint? I can get a V60 or V90, with leather seats, the big audio system, sun roof and all safety features with 60.000 miles tops on the clock for 18.500 - 19.000£. these cars have been leased by companies and are fully serviced. What do you think?

Good to know! I want to thank everyone who replied in this thread. Your contributions have been invaluable. I have decided to pass on the GS450. I made a pro/cons list: Pros: Comfort, luxury and style. Hybrid. Horsepower. It's a Lexus (duuh). Reliability. Looks. MPG/performance. Cons: The 6-month service-interval, with no estimated prices from the Lexus-dealer. I am not a mechanic. If something brakes on a Lexus, it tends to be extremely expensive, even more so in Sweden with the car being very unusual so parts are not easy or acceptable when it comes to pricing. Got an estimate from a dealer for a new hybrid-battery: 4650£!!!! Thats a THIRD of the purchase price. Never ever would i spend that much. It's almost 11 years old. I usually change cars every 3 or 4 years, which makes buying the GS450h, a bad deal. Dealer refused to give a rough estimate of the expected value on the car in 3 years/150.000 miles if i wanted to trade it in for another Lexus. The price. 15400£ was to steep and i offered 14800£ without success. Resale value. It is EXTREMELY hard to estimate the value of Lexus in Sweden, since there are not many of them. Hence, you do not know if you pay to much or receive to little. I have never owned an older car with that many miles on the meter, and i do not know where the threshold is when it significantly drops in value. I guess Lexus is not for me. I prefer warranties and newer cars, of the expense of the luxury and reliability. It is easier to trade them in when they are 5-6 years old, instead of 14-15. I will not spend 30-40k on a 2-3 year old Lexus either, i think the prices are a bit on the high side. Will be looking for a Volvo V90, XC60, Passat, Skoda or Honda and join the masses. Hopefully this post can help someone else when it comes to purchasing a GS. I know other posts helped me!

John, it was hard to find price when new, but i think i managed. Price in Sweden when released 2013: Lexus GS450h price was set at 53450£ WITH F-sport. Comfort, not quite sure, but it says 40.000£, so i guess i have to trust it. So after 5 years, the value should be 20k. Add another 5 years (soon 11 years old), and i guess thats where i need to find the depreciation. So, lets say the car was worth 20k in 2017. It has 80.000 miles and is fully serviced by Lexus with 1 owner to whom i spoke, and he was very happy with it, zero issues. That has to play in on the price, but how much though? My estimate would be around 14.000£. 15400£ now feels a bit steep. Maybe 14.500£ if the car is serviced on delivery. What do you think? On a final note, the market for Lexus in Sweden is very limited. It is not a car that many people drive, hence, it is pretty hard to sell. Most people drive SUVs or estates. I have a habit of changing cars after 3-4 years, a habit i am looking to brake and keep a car for much longer. On the downside, i am not handy at all with cars. Even the simpler repairs or issues will be a challenge for me to adress on my own. There are a couple of GS300 and a NX300 for sale with extended service and warranty. I might have to make some sacrifices on my wish-list (horsepower, comfort) so that my wife won't kill me for buying an 11 year old car and then something happens when i have sold in the GS450 with my soul.

Thanks for the answer. Do you think 15400£ is too steep for a Gs450H comfort with 81.000 miles and no warranty? 30% sounds really high when the car is 10 years old. Feels like that kind of percentage should have been done already? Det sägs vanligtvis att värdeminskningen för en bil första året är 20% till 25%. Andra året, ligger värdeminskningen runt ytterligare 18%. Värdeminskningen för en 4 år gammal bil ökar med ytterligare 10%. I slutändan tappar din bil cirka 50 % av sitt värde efter 5 års cirkulation The rule says that the depreciation the first year alone is 20-25%, second year 18-20%, and after 5 years it has lost 50% value. Where would these 30% come from?

Wow. That is a pretty harsh decrease from 15400£. Do you think i should negotiate the price further?

Thanks. Got a call from a trader today that said they had a 2018 NX300 fully specced in with 74k miles on the meter för 22k. Is the NX a good car?

So you bought it for 8.250 euros and you think it will go up in value in 3 years to 10-11.000?

Understood. I just feel like it can become a money pit since the car is 12 years old in July. If i want to change car in lets say 3 years and the car is at 130k miles, how much has the GS450 lost in value? Im going in with 8k of my own money. Any opinions on the NX300? The wife loves suvs.

So true. I dont know what i am doing basically. I wanted a new car for comfort, so that is why i am going after. Does the GS450h 4th gen have a chain or a belt?

Thanks for all the useful answers. You we're right. The screen was 8". I am kinda disappointed that the seller said 12"3. I went by a Toyota-dealer by accident today and went in to look. He had a 2018 Prius with 65k miles on the clock. Looked decent, felt good inside. Asking price? 16300!£ fully serviced at Toyota with the option to extend hybrid battery during 10 years. Another was a Corolla 2019 with 46k, with sunroof and leather seats. 16950£. Was impressed with the inside but the performance of both cars was extremely lacking.. I have never owned a hybrid before so thats why i am so flimsy. 11, soon to be 12 year old GS450 without warranties or any of these two with warranties, hybrid warranty. Extremely boring drive vs refinement, comfort and power. Basically heart or head.. i am dying here.

Oh. That didn't clarify anything. I still have no idea what size main screen is. Car.info have no answer, so am guessing it is the 8".

I am a bit confused. The 3"5 is the smallest of them all, right? There are 8,9 and 12"3 aswell? Would you buy a GSH450 with a 3"5 screen?

Oh, wow. That might be a dealbreaker for me. I think the interior looks alot less appealing without the 12"3. How is the GS450 in winter? Heavy snow and/or icy conditions with its RWD?

Thank you for the reply. The dealer also said it was the 12"3 inch monitor, but car.info says 3"5. I have always trusted car info..

Silly question maybe, but..the dealer says the car has leather seats, and on car.info, it says so aswell. Judging from the pictures though, it looks to be half-leather and then cloth with holes. Are my eyes deceiving me?

Pretty insane. Been talking to different dealers from Lexus and they assure me that the value wont go down drastically. They apparently hold their value really well. Another GS450 appeared on the market today with 135.000 miles and was for sale at the price of 14100£! Same model year but 55k miles more. I can get "mine" for 15400£. That price is good, no? Will go to Stockholm and pickup the car on Saturday.

Thanks for the response. I will probably buy the GS450 this weekend. I will return with pics!

Yeah its a tough choice. My Honda pulls 8.3/100, costs about 45£ month in insurance. The Lexus GS450 would cost 70£ to insure.. well..we shall see.

Thank you for that response! Yeah, i know BMW have trouble written all over them - i can attest to that! This car is basically way over my needs as a daily driver, it is more a golden opportunity and "i want" that is ruling me at the moment. The Honda i have now, a 2017 sport is sweet, but the audio is weak and the comfort is non-existent. My butt and back becomes numb within the hour, and suspension does not exist since it is the sport version. Had it for 4 years and no issues and cheap service. Hard to decide if i want to splash out 15+ k on a car that is 4 years older though.. i have basically read everything there is about Lexus (the GS especially), the battery and quality. There are some GS300 on the market at the moment, none of them are equipped with anything basically, not even leather seats. Same story with all the IS. We dont have IS350 here, just the 300, and the ones on the market are comfort, special edition and sport. Most of them are 2015's though, so i might be inclined to go that route, to obtain warranty and more peace of mind.. a 2015 IS300 goes for the same price as the GS450 at the moment. Feels like i am stepping down on what i want, which is audio (all of the IS on market have 6 speakers only) and only one have leather seats. There are a couple of IS250, one back f-sport with a sunroof, 6 speakers, half leather etc with questionable owner history, not sold by Lexus for 14600£.. i am not sure about the warranty on that one. Wall of text, but i might have to reasses if i should to gung-ho for the GS450 or be more sensible and buy a newer IS350.

It is not that i could not afford to buy a new battery for 3k if it was needed. It would just feel stupid and make me ****** off. On the plus side, the car is 11 years old, so i dont have to serve it at Lexus after purchase, since no guarantees or benefits apply, just a hefty bill. All cars can brake, but this is a golden opportunity, since there are very few GS450 in Sweden. The Lexus dealer who sells it says that the battery should be a no-worry since most Lexus drive hundreds of thousands of miles without any issues.

In Sweden, we have MRB-warranty. That warranty only applies to dealers who have decided to join MRB. If a retailer sells a car and the car breaks down in sometime during those six months, the dealer has to fix the issue, free of charge. If not, they are put on "The black list" for everyone to see, with a torn reputation and less business as a result. Many retailers dont have MRB, but the serious one do. There is also "konsument-köplagen" which is basically the same thing, but that applies more to the seller to do all the work of convincing the retailer to adress any issues. MRF is basically the buyers friend, and when a retailer signs with them, they are basically saying "we promise to fix any issues occurring under these miles or time period, or suffer the consequences". Thats ballsy, to buy a exemplar like that. The one i am interested in has only had 1 owner, and had always been served by Lexus, and is sold by Lexus.