Haylands

Impossible to diagnose without testing, it could be all sorts of things, you need to take it to a garage who can run a diagnostic check on it...

Just a word of warning, don't be tempted to use an air line to try to clear blocked sunroof drains, it can blow the pipes off inside the headliner and means many hours to refit...

Could try disconnecting the Battery and reconnect, sometimes resets things...

Looks nice mate, I think the silver wheels look much nicer than the "I've lost my wheel trims" black wheels...!!!

I think it needs debadging and then for a laugh put a BMW 318i badge on the back....

Most of those are probably down to low voltage, your battery may have been close to dying anyway and a few discharges have finished it off...

Dealers will have some hardware to plug in that will measure voltage use so they should be able to get to the bottom of it, having said that most auto electricians should be able to isolate the exact drain from a multi use fuse...

Ah, but I never get attached to cars, they are just a lump of metal, and I always get bored and want something different after a while.....

Glad to hear you like yours though, they do seem rather nice....

Its amasing what can be polished out... my off roading Range Rover

BEFORE

AFTER

That is not primer, it is clear coat that has got scratched and looks that colour, there is a chance that it could be polished out, it's difficult to recommend someone if we don't know where you are.... why is it such a big secret...???

Whilst on my hunt for info on the LS460 prior to purchase I came across this list of configuration customisations, i.e. options that can be set by the dealer or via one of the many OBD tools available.

Thought it may be of interest to others... 

Doors / Windows / Remote:

Blink turn signals when locking/unlocking with remote
YES / NO

Volume of beep when locking/unlocking with remote
OFF / 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / MAX

Warn (beep) when door can't be locked because it's still open
YES / NO

Panic function on remote
ENABLED / DISABLED

Open trunk lid with remote
SINGLE CLICK / DOUBLE CLICK / LONG PRESS / DISABLED

Re-lock doors automatically if you unlock, but don't open a door
YES / NO

Re-lock doors automatically if you unlock, but don't open a door within…
30 SECONDS / 60 SECONDS / 120 SECONDS

Unlock doors via remote
DRIVER'S DOOR ON 1ST PRESS, ALL ON 2ND / ALL DOORS ON 1ST PRESS

Unlock doors via physical key
DRIVER'S DOOR ON 1ST PRESS, ALL ON 2ND / ALL DOORS ON 1ST PRESS

Unlock doors via smart key/button
ALL DOORS / EACH DOOR SEPARATELY / DRIVER'S DOOR / SAME-SIDE DOORS

Auto-lock doors when moving
ON / OFF

Lock doors when shifting into gear
ON / OFF

Unlock doors when shifting into park (P)
ON / OFF

Unlock all doors when driver's door is opened
ON / OFF

After locking with smart key, don't allow re-opening within…
0.5 SECONDS / 1.5 SECONDS / 2.5 SECONDS / 5 SECONDS

Smart key location to start car
FRONT SEATS / ANYWHERE IN VEHICLE

Unlock trunk when smart key in range
YES / NO

Open windows and sunroof by holding key in door lock
ON / OFF

Close windows and sunroof by holding key in door lock
ON / OFF

Open windows and sunroof via long-press on remote
ON / OFF

Close windows and sunroof via smart key
ON / OFF

Auto-arm the alarm when door closed with key NOT in ignition
ON / OFF

Delay for auto-arming alarm
0 SECONDS / 15 SECONDS / 30 SECONDS

Beep horn when auto-arming alarm
ON / OFF

Open/close power rear hatch via interior switch
ENABLED / DISABLED



Instruments / Display / Dings:

Display odometer after ignition is turned off for…
30 SECONDS / 1 MINUTE / 10 MINUTES / OFF

Key-in-ignition ding volume
LOW / MEDIUM / HIGH

Key-in-ignition ding sound
SLOW / MEDIUM / FAST

Ding when headlights are left on
YES / NO

Seat belt warning
DRIVER AND PASSENGER / DRIVER ONLY / PASSENGER ONLY / OFF

Lane-change turn signal auto-flasher count
OFF / 3 FLASHES / 5 FLASHES / 7 FLASHES / 9 FLASHES / 11 FLASHES

Remote low Battery warning
ON / OFF

Front parking sensor range
NARROW / WIDE

Rear parking sensor range
NARROW / WIDE

Mute parking sensor when stationary for more than 3 sec.
YES / NO

Activate parking sensors in neutral (N)
YES / NO

Front side parking sensor range
SHORT / LONG

Enable front parking sensors when in reverse (R)
FRONT / FRONT SIDE + CENTER / FRONT SIDE / OFF

Enable rear parking sensors when in neutral or forward gear
REAR / REAR CORNER / OFF

Auto-turn off parking display when moving away from obstacles
YES / NO

Dash display mode
ALL / UNDISP

ECO Drive indicator zone
ON / OFF



Lights:

Daytime running lights
ON / OFF

Coming-home lights duration
OFF / 30 SECONDS / 60 SECONDS / 90 SECONDS

Auto headlights activation threshold
DARKEST / DARKER / NORMAL / LIGHTER / LIGHTEST

Turn on marker lights when vehicle is unlocked via remote
ON / OFF

Instrument lights dimming sensitivity
DARKEST / DARKER / NORMAL / LIGHTER / LIGHTEST

Instrument lights restoring sensitivity
DARKEST / DARKER / NORMAL / LIGHTER / LIGHTEST

Dim interior lights after…
7 SECONDS / 15 SECONDS / 30 SECONDS

Turn on interior lights when you shut off engine
YES / NO

Turn on interior lights when you unlock doors
YES / NO

Turn on interior lights when smart key in range
YES / NO

Turn on exterior footlight (on side mirror) when smart key in range
YES / NO

Interior footlight (bright when doors open, dim when driving)
YES / NO

Center console spotlight (bright when doors open, dim when driving)
YES / NO

Turn on seatbelt-buckle lights when door opened
YES / NO

Turn on seatbelt-buckle lights when ignition turned off
YES / NO

Turn on interior door-handle & center console lights dimly (flood lights) when ignition is on and shifter is not in park (P)
YES / NO

Turn on exterior footlight (on side mirror) when doors unlocked via remote
YES / NO

Turn on exterior footlight (on side mirror) for…
OFF / 7 SECONDS / 15 SECONDS / 30 SECONDS

Interior light control
ENABLED / DISABLED

Exterior light control
ENABLED / DISABLED

Advanced Illumination System pattern
PATTERN 1 / PATTERN 2 / OFF



Heater & A/C:

A/C power
AUTOMATIC / FULL POWER

A/C ECO mode
ENABLED / DISABLED

Auto-increase blower speed when front defroster is on
YES / NO

Auto-turn on A/C when AUTO button pressed (if needed)
YES / NO

Deactivate front defroster when AUTO button pressed
YES / NO

Also blow to feet in "face" mode
YES / NO

Auto-activate steering-wheel heater
YES / NO

Auto quick seat heater (front left seat)
ENABLED / DISABLED

Auto quick seat heater duration (front left seat)
STANDARD / SHORT / LONG

Auto quick seat heater (front right seat)
ENABLED / DISABLED

Auto quick seat heater duration (front right seat)
STANDARD / SHORT / LONG



Other:

Roll down rear shade when in reverse gear
YES / NO

Delay for rolling down rear shade when in reverse gear
IMMEDIATE / 0.7 SECONDS / 0.9 SECONDS / 1.2 SECONDS

Move driver's seat lumbar support for easy exit
YES / NO

Move passenger's seat lumbar support for easy exit
YES / NO

Drivers side immediately above hand brake in panel below steering wheel, get your head under the steering wheel look up and left
 

The cats have a pre and post cat lambda, the pre cat lambda tells the engine ECU how the engine is performing, the post cat lambda checks that the cat is working correctly, most faults to do with the cats are down to faulty lambda probes, sounds like one of yours is failing which is not unusual at that sort of mileage. A study of live values with a diagnostic tool should help to diagnose this. I would have thought the garage who did the clean would have checked the before and after emissions..??? did they reveal anything...??

If it does turn out to be the cats, then look for a local place that makes stainless steel exhausts, they can fit a generic lambda for much less that will work and be as good as the original...

VSC is unlikely to have been affected by anything in your post so maybe just coincidence, again, diagnostics should reveal the issue...

Well depending on the severity of the damage it can either be pulled out or replaced, it is not a simple DIY job, any body repair garage will be able to do it and quote for the repair...

7 minutes ago, royoftherovers said:

My view too.

Life is a one way journey.There are no return options, so

(a) if you can afford it

(b) you want it,

(c) you do not upset anyone by getting it, then,

go for it....and do let us all know how you get on.

 

Regards

John

 

Regards

John

a, that's the issue, I'm right at the bottom end and don't want to put any more money to it....

b, I do

c, Can't think of anyone...

I'll certainly post about it....

1 hour ago, Tulpen said:

While I agree that the 400 was/is wonderfully engineered, it is now an old design. It is now 20 years since I got my first LS and, at the time, I thought it was way ahead of other contemporary cars. However, time marches on, and I wanted something more modern - and with lots of up-do-date goodies.

Since the advent of the 400, cars have become very clever. Even a basic Ford Escort is packed full of electronics (although how long they'll last is open to conjecture). I wanted a modern LS so, in 2012, I bought the 460.

There are a lot of people on here who swear blind by their 400s and will never change. I respect that.........but, please, you have to respect that some of us want to move on.

Modern cars (even the LS) with all their complexity, may go wrong. I bought my 460 knowing this - and accept it could be costlier than my 400.

Happy New Year :)

Totally agree, I like all the bells and whistles more than a perceived drop in longevity.... 

47 minutes ago, talaipwros said:

Since you requested us to talk you out, can you please advise regarding your budget and mileage? Remember that the LS460 mpg can be surprisingly low as the engine is quite thirsty.

It will be the cheapest one I can find, I run a Range Rover L322 at present that does well if it gets into double figures MPG...  

4 minutes ago, mr2lad said:

 

The is absolutely no reason why anyone should talk you out of a LS460, it is obviously a upgrade car for you and a nice one at that, lots of talk from other on your post about the  LS400, i had a 400s (over 10years ownership) and loved them but upgraded to a LS600hl which apart from the hybrid side is basically a 460 although mines the long wheel base with every bell and whistle supplied by lexus ie relaxation package but as i said just a 460 on steroids lol, it s a lovely car and far far superior to the ageing 400s, every car on the market will have its niggles over time.... so in my opinion i say go get the 460

Nobody was going to talk me out of it, I just wanted to know what problems people were having with them, lots of false information on the web about how unreliable modern Lexus are... personally I couldn't see it but knew that asking here would reveal the truth... it seems to be that they are issues with the suspension around 100,000 miles with airbags but my argument would be that they are a service item anyway, even coil springs fail at around that mileage... 

I won't be put off, the only thing that could throw a spanner in the works is if I don't get what I think the Rangie is worth...!!!

In which case I may look at a GS450h, but that's another story...!!!

On 12/31/2016 at 9:48 AM, Peter67 said:

The seats have a fan and a filter. They do actually cool so perhaps a peltier effect system but I'm not 100% sure 

Peter

Cheers, the ones in the 430 didn't seem to get cool, they just blew air at you that couldn't get through the seat because you were sitting on it...!!!

On 12/31/2016 at 0:54 PM, dendonc said:

Well thanks for all your informative posts on LS460......boy oh boy am I lucky to have a problem free '95 LS400 LPG convert, sounds like the LS400's were the least problematic lexus ever made & the only ones worth having.

Undoubtedly the 400 was the best made, they even had a forged crank which was dropped for the 430, Lexus bought a dozen S class Mercs, took them totally apart and designed the 400 to be better wherever they could... but alas, nothing lasts, rumour has it that they didn't make much money on the 400 so when they decided to update it and build other models the accountants got involved and quality suffers... They are still streets ahead of the competition though...

I'm on a Range Rover forum and a guy on there who can't even check the oil himself uses the dealer for absolutely everything, he spent £35,000 (no that's not a mistype thirty five thousand) over three years of repairs and servicing....!!!

Thanks Pete, one random question, are the seat coolers in the 460 the peltier type that actually cool or are they like the 430 and just have fans that don't really do much..??

Cheers

Thanks for taking the time to type all that, really does seem like they enjoy eating suspension parts... any one I get will have done well in excess of the miles on yours so hopefully some of it will be done already...

I have been doing around 15,000 miles a year so it won't be having an easy life, I don't mind fixing them, just wondered what I was in for. There are various places in the UK who can rebuild your own ECU's so saving money and reprogramming problems...

I have to concur, Waxoyl has stood still, it is the same product it was in the 70's, if you have done what you suggest then the rust will just keep eating away the metal under a nice warm wet coating, rusting out the car even faster, it really is awful stuff, I feel sorry for your friend (As well as the fact he owns a Rover...!!!) Dinitrol is superb though and well worth doing....

Very good, same as the left... I queried the out of place cup and was told it didn't make that much difference...!!!

3 hours ago, cruisermark said:

I also remember your Yaris project!

 

My daughter still has the Yaris, paid £300 for it in 2007 and it's still going strong, she gets married in April then she's buying a Merc CLK...!!

1 hour ago, Dale_V said:

i had a clicking from the brakes, very very quiet clicking, but the ls460 is a quiet car, so you can hear it, if you listen out. it went back and forth with the dealership for around 6 weeks with ME telling them what the problem was (brake actuator).. they tried to fob me off by taking me out in another customers LS460 that had clicking brakes, telling me it was normal.. nope! to me that means that customers car is broke also.. in the end they put a new actuator on and no clicking

I've had my keys thrown back at me in the middle of the showroom because i merely questioned why i should be paying £100 an hour when its under warranty

I've been told in the middle of the showroom the operation of a LS460 window is that it should go up and down, nevermind seal properly with the weather strip

I've been phoned on the day the car was due to have work carried out (after having a technician determine what the issue was a few days previously), by the service manager with an attitude and been given the 20 questions grilling as to whats wrong with my car and why... errr speak to your technician! its not upto the customer to explain what parts are required and why.

If it wasn't for me actually liking the Toyota/ Lexus LS brand, id have sold the lot and gone to BMW/Merc/Jag by now

Wow, that's not very good service, I had occasion to use the dealer when I had the 430 and they were nothing but nice... I don't use main dealers for anything these days, I have access to a full workshop so do it all myself...

1 hour ago, jonthetourist said:

Just wanted to echo the welcome back. I think I remember you from MB forums too. Was it a CL restore?

Can't help with the 460 but I have an unusual 430 with no sunroof, which means my 6' 5" is surrounded by space in a way no other car has offered me. I share a new knee with you too, but have been lucky enough to not need the hips or spinal pins yet. Good to know it is al working for you.

 

Jon

Yes, I wish more did them without sunroofs, it's more the door aperture that limits me, usually too low, the IS is really bad for it....

It was me with the CL, nice car but again only a bit more reliable than a Range Rover...!!!

Fed up with fixing them, just fancy polishing for a change....

Thanks for the info, does sound like you have a bit of a Friday afternoon car... I'm looking at ones that will not fall into the Lexus (and probably anyone else's) warranty criteria so this type of info is very useful, thanks...

I know what you mean about the differences between the older and newer models, this is the same for the Merc, BMW and Audi, I think the Lexus has to be the best bet though....

Blimey, what has cost £15,000 in repairs...???

Thanks Phil, have been reading the USA boards as well, they seem to suffer from different problems than we do, the heat seems to degrade the cars faster in the hot states....

Not fussed on high miles and at least company owned cars tend to get serviced well and problems fixed. The mechanics are pretty bullet proof, just wanted some feedback from UK owners to see if there were any trends, shockers seem to be popular and the GS430, GS450h suffer with them as well so maybe they can't handle the weight of the heavier Lexus... 

Just after ammo to shoot the price down even lower......

Cheers.

Thanks for that Mark... yeah, had forgotten about the gear knob... had to go and find it...

Gearknob recovering.

Last project was this... a Range Rover L322 converted to a proper off roader, been in several magazines... It's gone as far as is possible and for that and other reasons I want a slightly more reliable vehicle, not that the Range Rover goes wrong more than once a day you understand... I leave the IID diagnostic tool plugged into the OBD permanently...!!!

Anyway, if you want to waste a couple of hours....

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