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Sorted, didnt realise there was another fuse box in the drivers footwell, however, the heated seat fuse was the most akward fuse to get to, sods law!

Hi all,

I have a Lexus IS200 Sport with heated seats. After changing back to a standard stereo setup, my heated seats both (passenger and driver) is not working. Both switches don't light up and I have waited about 5minutes, just in case it was just the switch LEDs, but the seats aren't heating up.

Is there a separate fuse for the heated seats? All I see is a fuse for Electric seats going by the diagram in the fuse box cover. The electric seats are workin fine, so I assume that fuse is ok. Anyway, I've checked the fuses and all seems ok.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Yeah, the F1s are certainly good, glad I went with them.

Going to get the part from the breakers..then will book her in again...can't wait

I thank you.

I think you will agree the chassis audit i did is pretty much conclusive for triangulation so the TCA is the criminal according to all the gathering we did.

As for the feel of the car.... You are correct. The OSR camber/toe needed attention "today" despite the fact the front was not available to correct... I had to dial out the incorrect forces at the rear so the car was safe until we can correct the front.

Like i said today, don't be to dishartened about the chassis positions, it "hasn't" been in a crash but it has felt the full force of our road condition.

Tony, been trying to get the park, the two places you mentioned don't stock, so i may need to get it from lexus.

Do I need anything else, lower ball joints, bushes? or is just the arm? Sorry, not familiar with what that part comes with or what is needed for fitting.

Anyway, driving the car over roads which previous gave me big problems.. all of that has changed... no longer does it pull left and right, its how it should be...

smile is back on my face when driving...

All you need is the "track control arm".... It is the only component on the front that has a horizontal bushing..... If you have any problems ordering this part then call me and i will explain to them.

As for the change in handling.... I know mate, that's because i corrected the rear..... You have better things to come.

Ok, thanks Tony, I'll do some more digging around, other than that Lexus.

Good choice mate, the asymmetrics have been fantastic so far.......grip is amazing, but biggest difference for me has been the reduction in road noise, it's so much quieter on these than the Dunlops I used to have on....... :)

yep, driving it yday night back home, and these tyres are great, fully recommend them. Haven't used the tyres in the wet, but im sure it will cope :-)

I thank you.

I think you will agree the chassis audit i did is pretty much conclusive for triangulation so the TCA is the criminal according to all the gathering we did.

As for the feel of the car.... You are correct. The OSR camber/toe needed attention "today" despite the fact the front was not available to correct... I had to dial out the incorrect forces at the rear so the car was safe until we can correct the front.

Like i said today, don't be to dishartened about the chassis positions, it "hasn't" been in a crash but it has felt the full force of our road condition.

Tony, been trying to get the park, the two places you mentioned don't stock, so i may need to get it from lexus.

Do I need anything else, lower ball joints, bushes? or is just the arm? Sorry, not familiar with what that part comes with or what is needed for fitting.

Anyway, driving the car over roads which previous gave me big problems.. all of that has changed... no longer does it pull left and right, its how it should be...

smile is back on my face when driving...

Yep only got praise for WIM, top blokes offering great service..........

Which F1s did you get? The GSD3s or the new Asymmetrics? I recently fitted the asys and still haven't got over how good they are!

I went for the Asymmetrics and so far so good, lot of grip.. i had the windows open on the way back, so can't quite make out how quiet they are, going out now so find out now. :-)

Just got back from WIM, had 4 new tyres (goodyear F1's) and a geo setup. Bad news is that I need a new Track Control Arm so couldn't complete the setup.

Got to say, Tony and Mark are top blokes, they had time to explain things over rather than just do the job and grab the money.

Tony, thanks for explaining whats wrong with my car, I'll get the part as soon as and book it back in for fitting.

I must say, even though I only had the rears adjusted slightly, it feels a LOT more solid, less twitchy, I feel more in control of the car. I feel I can corner properly now. Not sure if it's the tyres, im sure is a comination of both. I can't wait to I get the fronts sorted and get rid of that twitchyness altogether!

I highly recommend anybody looking to get any alignment done, to get yourself to WIM. The setup they have there is pretty impressive. The guys are knowledgable, helpful and really do an excellent job.

Also met a couple of members there, nice meeting you guys! May see you there again :-)

Chi

Umm.. ok still not 100% sure. Think I have to leave it for another day to be more confident that its my install thats giving the problems.

Anyway, I stopped and started the car a few more times and it does start but there was one time it just didnt fire... can stop starting the engine without going anywhere cause these symptoms...

anyway, it was better than yday when the car just didnt fire at all.. but i'm getting really paranoid now.

I've taken the meter readings and nothing showed up, any readings i got were when the key was in click 1 and 2.

Here is the pic of my install

hope you can make out what i have done

If you can get a fuse buddy CLICK HERE you could test to see if you're cig lighter is drawing abnormal current and thus draining the battery. It could also be used to find the location which is draining the battery if it is not the cig lighter.

Ok, cheers buddy.. see if I need one of those.

I just tried starting the car, after taking out the B2 install yday, so the car has been idle about 18hrs or so. It started 1st time, no probs.

I'm going to leave it for another day and try again.. in the mean time and going to check out the meter readings and take some pics.

It seems like something I have done is draining the Battery big time, cause a new batt seems to have drained within 20hrs.

What do you mean taken from one of the lighting? I only been joining the cig ligher plug with my own wires and splicing of that.. is there a lighting plug or wire somewhere near that?

Yes mate - to the cig lighter plug there is a switched live, earth and lighting feed (the ring that lights up around it when your lights are on)

Meter each lead with respect to earth, with and without the lights on / with and without the ignition on and you'll see which is which.

haha, just reading your initial post again, and i'm just confused now. lol, sorry just thick when it comes to electronics.

I don't think I spliced of the lighting. The blade connectors you see in my intial post just connects the plugs you get that join the cig. lighter. I'm sure you know that the plugs is under the gear stick console thing. The think the lighting for the cig ligter ring is another plug. I left that untouched. I did take out the plug for the ash tray light out as I found that to be constantly on (I removed the ash tray, thats where the B2 sits.)

I havent noticed any change in light to the origin, havent really paid any attention.

I was just assuming that if the key is out of the ignition everything switches off, i.e. cig lighter ring light gets switched off, no power to cig lighter.

Sorry just trying to picture the scenario you mentioned and how it can be a problem. I post pics up 2night that may help...

I would be very surprised as it is your wiring as if you simply plug your Origin into the cig lighter and left in overnight. Thousands of people do this leaving equipment n the car and it is fine. That is why it is on the ignition, so it switches off.

I would be leaning towards this battery. What level of charge was in it when you got it? Give it a really good manual charge. (not just the boost type, the overnight trickle type as Mole suggests). I do mine twice a year and I've never had to replace a battery in my life.

There could possibly be one way this has caused it. It is if you had spliced off the lamp feed to the ignition socket. You would have a potential difference there. The lighting ECU effectively is acting like a big resistor. Is there any difference to the Origin when you turn your lights on? Although, you may not notice as the current is so low. Of course, this could also happen the other way around - the Origin is acting as a series resistor with your lighting too. (moreso if the lights are in auto)

There may be enough power getting through to power the Origin when the ignition is on so it appears as though its all turning on and off nicely, even if the lighting ecu is acting as a resistor.

This is the only possible way that your wiring could cause this, is if one the line lines is taken off the lighting. (I'm not accusing you of dodgy wiring - just a possible reason).

There is no other way you could get a potential difference. Unless there is slight arcing but I'm sure you've had a good look at this.

Do you have a meter? Why not test each point to earth and each point to positive with the ignition off and your wiring and origin connected and will know if there is anything being brought live.

I'd say it was the battery myself, or at least something alse and it is coincidence.

I do this sort of thing all the time and it happens every now and again - completely unrelated. It probably appears more improbable to you because you don't do it often enough.

Thanks for the reply

The Battery is new, fitted 2 days ago. I replaced the batt cause i initially thought this problem was due to a dying Battery. However it has continued to happen, which has LED me to believe it's something I have done...

I took out my install for the time being, and tonight would be my fist test. If it doesn't start then it's a duff Battery.. so back to ABM. If it does start, then I leave it for another day to make sure.

Then I look at my dodgy wiring. I certainly am no electrician and not that much about electronics, so I may have done a bodge job. I try to take some pictures of exactly how I connected it up, maybe that would help. I will do the meter test.

What do you mean taken from one of the lighting? I only been joining the cig ligher plug with my own wires and splicing of that.. is there a lighting plug or wire somewhere near that?

Hi, this is what is called a voltage drop,which is coming off the ign system.u need to fit a relay between the joints.this will happen to most fuel injected car with a low amp fuel pump.a relay stops that.if u need to know how to connect the relay,i will post them tonight when i get home.hope this helps B) TERRY

Thanks Terry, that sounds interesting... I'm kinda convinced it's something I did fitting my B2, just seems too much of a coincidence that it started behaving funny after I fitted the B2. Do you know why it's starts absolutely perfect after I driven it (with the B2 fitted)?

Yes, would like to know how to fit the relay.

Thanks

Chi

It has nothing to do with your wiring that you have put in as the cig lighter only works when the ignition is turned to the forst click. have you altered the wiring to the cig lighter so it is permanently live when ignition is off?

Not sure if you have had 2 new batteries or just repeating what has being done but if y ou have not altered nothing then you could have a duff battery. I had this problem on a car I had many years ago, got told battery was ok and suffered the same symptoms and was the battery in the end..

Hope it helps :winky:

The only thing ive done is to join the cig lighter plug with two wires allowing me to splice off. All works ok and the b2 powers off when i take keys out. All looks ok and cant think of what it could be. The car started ok this morn, after being idle for 8hrs. But yday morning was ok too, 2night will b the test. I'll then think about taking it back to abm. May give them a call now. I only had one new batt 2days ago. If this continues im wondering did i need a new batt at all.

it has been known for even a new bettery to fail.have the terminals worked loose.

I dont think so, i'll check anyway. It started ok once i drove it, no problem at all, its only when i leave it for a good 10hrs or so. Abm tried starting it and it didnt start, checked alternter and thats ok. Put new bat in and it started. I leave it overnight and it fails to start.

Guys, slight problem, ever since I fitted my origin B2 (see Origin B2 Install), I have trouble starting my car after being left standing for 12 hours or so. It ticks over, but doesn't fire. After a few attempts it eventually gets going. After a short drive it's fine. Now, as I said it was all fine before I fitted the B2, after the install, the next morning it didn't start. At first I thought it was the Battery and so asked ABM to check, they confirmed the Battery was not holding it's charge, so they replaced it 2 days ago. But now it's happened again, So it cannot be the Battery (or can it).

Well, I started to wonder was it the way I installed my B2, how could this have effected the engine start? This is how I installed the B2. I unplugged the cigarette lighter from behind and joined the plugs with my own wire and spade connectors. I then spliced off the joining wires and connected to a separate cigarette lighter adapter. The origin B2 then plugged into this and all this was hidden under the centre console (under car cigarette lighter itself).

Here is a picture of the home made connectors with a cigarette lighter adapter.

Hope I've explained this ok.

Anyway, I did this on my previous 2 cars and haven't had any problem with it, and on my previous 2 cars the cigarette lighter was constantly on, i.e. it always had power. On the lexus the cigarette lighter is only powered when the engine was on, so even better.

It just seems like something I have done, is draining the Battery and when I get back to it over a long period the Battery is near dead... But if its ticking over and just not firing does that mean Battery is ok? When the car is off, there's no power to the cigarette lighter, so how can it even drain the batt?

I don't know too much about car mechanics and certainly not an electronics guru.. anybody can shed some light on this? is it too much of a coincidence that it only started playing up after I've done the install, or is there anything else more serious? Maybe my connections were shorting out? How would that affect the engine start up? especially when there's no power.

After I driven the car, it's perfect, starts up fine... it's only after I leave it for 1/2 or so. I have removed my install and check it tomorrow to see what happens, I really hope it's fine, cause I just spent near £1k servicing, replacing a lot of stuff (including batt), will be spending £500 at WIM on sat, and really don't want to be spending anymore.

Sorry for long post.

Thanks

Just got my car back. Big bill £971.

Had loads done

60k service

Cambelt

Tensioners

Front pads

Water pump

pump by pass

New Battery.

Off to WIM on sat. so thats another £500 odd. I really hope this car does not need anything else for a long time!!

Anyway overall v. satisfied with the service I got from ABM. Kevin seems like a top bloke. Would recommend.

Most prob. be taking the car to ABM for MOT in Aug.

Hi, took my car to Albin B Motors (ABM) for the big 60K service and cambelt changed, after recommendation from here. Kevin sounds like a really helpful chap and didn't seem pushy.

Anyway, I asked him to check out if there other things wrong, needed fixing. Rang me towards the end of the day and said the water pump is leaking. A new pump with by pass pipe is needed. I knew these pumps tend to leak, so wasn't too surprised.

Also needed front pads, which I knew about. When I bought the car I was told the front discs is warped, but it was nice to hear that the discs were fine and just pads needed changing.

All in all with Gold discount, it's going to cost me just under £800.

Considering the amount I'm getting done and comparing what Lexus Croydon would of charged me, I think it's a fair price.

I'll be picking up tomorrow, so they would of had the car for near 2 days.

I'll give an update tomorrow, then I can fully say whether I'm happy with Albin motors. Looks promising (Touch wood).

After that, is off to WIM on Sat. for four new shoes and a full geometry setup. :-)

I hope the car is going to feel like new by the end of the week!!

A quick update... I now own the Lexus IS200 sitting on my drive :)

I've put 370 miles on the clock since picking it up with the girlfriend at 12:00 on Saturday! Having some good fun with it :)

Couple of niggles... Hoping someone will have a tip for me; my wiper jets don't seem to work - at all! I've not yet checked the washer fluid level, but I don't think that's the problem. (No warning lights on dash and no whirring noises from the pump). Is this a common fault with the IS200? I'm going to check fuses and connections tomorrow, but before I do I thought I'd ask...

Thanks all :)

Did you pull the right hand stalk towards you or use the little grey button at the end of the stalk? Thats what I did assuming that was for the wiper jets. Stupid me!! took me 5minutes to figure it out... didn't actually think about the little button at the end of the stalk.

Slightly hijacking this thread, but useful for those that don't have a speed... eh safety camera detector yet, for those like myself who is rubbish at creating custom solutions (cause I seem to destroy everything I touch ) . You might want to consider the GPSmirror, mounts directly to your mirror, can't be simplier.

http://www.speedcheetah.com/

Funnily enough, I was talking to Parthiban about these the other day. I have one. Its not let me down yet.

Free updates for life.

I don't actually like the mirror. It is wide angle and antiglare. I never got used to it so I'm going to take the board out and mount it elsewhere. One very annoying thing when you first switch on. "Beep - beep - beep - cheetah" after that its fine. Its starting to really annoy me now.... might build a speaker delay into it.

Yeah was watching the vid of it and it seem to say a few things at start up.. like "GPS Ready", I'm sure that will get annoying. Great solution though.

Nice install, let me know how you get on with installing it in the IS.

I will, as soon as I get it back...

Where's the lex mate? :)

It's all about the Pogo Alert though now! If you give your B2 in, they'll give you £75 off one...

http://www.pogo-gps.co.uk/pogoalert.php

I'm loving mine...

Yeah, tempting, they sent me two emails to trade in my old one, but considering it works, i thought I keep it for now. However, whilst installing my one, I found that the power cable is a bit dodgy seems like a loose or near broken connection somewhere, so it might be a good time to change, if I can convince the wife!!

Where do you mount pogo, do you hard wire it, or just plug it in the cigarette lighter?

I've hard wired it into the right hand vent of my BM - a very stealth install. I'll be looking to do something similar in the IS.

Nice install, let me know how you get on with installing it in the IS.

nowt wrong with hiding behind a bush

But you can normally see them sometime sanyway but if yoy were not speeding in the first place you would not need this, oh dear tell me to shut it, good idea anyway, with all the driving I do never thought the need for one of these, do they really work and have they saved anyone any coin and points????

I'm ranting now

I'm not a crazy driver, and I certainly don't look to speed, however, I'll be lying if I said that I do not stray over the limit at times, it's easy to stray over a 30mph limit. I was caught once doing 30 on a 20mph speed limit 11pm at night, clear road. It was temporary speed camera, but I missed the sign. This is what made me get one in the first place, if I had one then it would alert me to the temporary camera and the speed limit.

It also has the average speed camera detector which is brilliant for keeping me at or below the speed limit, it's so easy to loose a bit of concentration and just stray a few mph over.

So I would say, it's helped me from getting a few points, not in a dangerous way.

It's all about the Pogo Alert though now! If you give your B2 in, they'll give you £75 off one...

http://www.pogo-gps.co.uk/pogoalert.php

I'm loving mine...

Yeah, tempting, they sent me two emails to trade in my old one, but considering it works, i thought I keep it for now. However, whilst installing my one, I found that the power cable is a bit dodgy seems like a loose or near broken connection somewhere, so it might be a good time to change, if I can convince the wife!!

Where do you mount pogo, do you hard wire it, or just plug it in the cigarette lighter?

Thats look pretty cool!! Must admit, I'll be reading more into this product. Anybody tried this? Anybody know about the trinity database and how good is it compared to Origin's (pogo) database.