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This is yet another review that reads like the car costs less than £ 50k. Issues like a flimsy port cover may seem trivial but it does say a lot about the design. I’m also 1.84m talk and will probably find the seats too small. Mine is on a ship and I never thought I would say this - after test driving the RZ I’ll be really glad to get back in my Range Rover Velar and spend my £ 500 deposit on something other than a car.

As I buy my cars, my concern is what the residual will be in the future. An earlier post said what the PCP is calculated on, but what will a ‘prestige’ car with a real range of max 200 miles be worth when compared to the numerous say Teslas, Genesis etc. I understand that the Tesla isn’t comparable for fit and finish but would a used buyer or the market be willing to pay £ 15k more for a 2 / 3 year old car.

But will they insulate you from the financial shock of £ 75k for 200 actual miles range ! I should find out soon as mine is in transit !

Thanks a lot. I’m looking to pay cash, but a PCP is £ 44k to rent the car for 36 months = £ 1,200 / month

But that wouldn’t apply to UK cars which are made in China or Berlin. I suspect the discounts were because they are overproducing and need to keep cash coming in during the downturn in Europe. The delivery time has also shot down, again due to production outweighing recent demand. Perhaps the market realised Tesla is over producing and may need yet another cash call. Taking £8k off the list of Model Y Performance is a serious discount and wouldn’t be given on a model unless there was a serious need to move cars. An optioned up Model Y Performance is £ 15k cheaper than a RZ Takumi. The Lexus will be far superior to the Tesla but will the market be there for a £ 75k car with relatively small range ? One question for the dealer will be what is the residual value in a PCP in 3 or 5 years time. If it’s low then I’ll walk away - I’m paying cash and will probably sell within 3 years.

Tesla recently reduced their list prices by circa 10% but for some odd reason Lexus have just increased the list prices for the RZ

It needs to be as the Ultrasuede only comes in the Takumi and with Bi-colour that is £75k list

I ordered and paid the £ 500 last May. It’s a Bi-Colour Takumi

With the increase meaning they probably won’t offer discounts on our secured prices, I am quickly losing interest, despite my car being on the way. I did see the post about discounts offered by web sales but don’t fancy waiting another 6 - 9 months

Thanks. I’ll check out Motorway. I have confirmation my order has left the factory and is in transit. So expect it at the dealers in about 6 weeks

I just checked on CarWow and it was £5k more than WeBuy ! Any idea how accurate the estimates are compared with actual offers ? Good luck with the test drives. I looked into the Genesis but a bit like Tesla, I was nervous about a lack of service centres IF something goes wrong.

One of the reasons for considering changing is the current high residual on my Velar. It’s 2 years old next month and WeBuy are offering £ 9k less than I paid - £ 375 / month depreciation on a £ 72k car seems really good. If I manage to secure a discount on the RZ I can swop for about £ 10k and get 10 years full warranty. JLR warranty is I believe about £ 1,200 a year initially then goes up quite a bit. I just can’t see me getting used to with a Tesla with no head up display or speedo directly in sight. Tesla recently trashed residuals by very publicly discounting new cars. Other marques may give you a discount but not publish a 10% discount and really pi** off everyone about to receive a car that they will pay 10% more for !

Nor for me. Have you received an email confirming your car is built yet ? My dilemma is every time I think I may stick with my 2 year old Velar P400e something (mostly software) goes wrong and I don’t have faith in keeping the car even with full warranty. Best car I have ever owned (I’ve had 12 from new) was a Lexus GS 450h back in 2008. Only car I have kept for 3 years - was like brand new when I sold it on. It had a very very small boot but went like a rocket compared to other exec cars in the day - in those days they sold the hybrid more for performance than fuel efficiency.

I won’t take the car without a test drive. When I placed the order and parted with £500 I told them it would have to as easy to get in and out off as my Range Rover Velar and that the cost to change would be reasonable.

Just received an update direct from Lexus - my Takumi is built and on the way ! The dealer said the demo wouldn’t be available until May / June so my car may arrive before then !

They said this morning the demo referred to must have been the upgraded RX. They are now expecting the RZ demo May / June so going well back from last date of 1st April

I’ll call them in the morning. I had a call a few weeks ago and they were expecting the demo on the 1st April.

Should have included this -

I think the camera will be the same, if not better. On the recently updated Velar the 360 camera is no longer available on anything other than the Autobiography which the P400e isn’t available. Against all market sentiment the Autobiography is only available in diesel !! My dealer raised a query regards the lack of the 360 camera, even as an option on the HSE and was told it’s only available on top range models the P400e HSE list is £ 76k so probably £80k after options My main concern is after the ease of getting in and out of the Velar - Will the RZ be similar. Incidentally, my dealer called me last week to say they have a date for the demo car - 1st April - I’m hoping it’s not an April Fool. I’m still mulling over whether in 2 or 3 years time a car with a range of only 200ish miles will be a good sell residual value wise

Should have included the link to the Lexus charging page - https://www.lexus.co.uk/electric-cars/public-charging

You’re welcome. I found a Lexus Charging site and its map did show chargers from multiple providers. It’s using the Zap Map and I’m hoping the inbuilt Sat Nav has these. The map also shows the availability and recharge power for each site. I have a Velar which I’ve had from new 2 years ago. Just too many niggles, particularly with the EV (it’s a P400e) to consider keeping it long term. Shame as it is a good car.

The 746 page Owners manual can be read and downloaded here - https://www.lexus.co.uk/content/lexus/uk/en/customer/manuals

Toyota’s response to the article is a bit strange to say the least. They say that whilst the car may report there is zero miles range left there may actually be 9% say 25 miles. They say this to avoid the car having to stop when zero is reported ! https://www.elbil24.no/tester/range-issues-for-bz4x-toyota-responds-to-criticism/77763009

That a good reason not to buy until the RZ300e comes

Range even - although with only 85 mile Highway range in cold weather it may be rage !