Stuno1

58 minutes ago, Flytvr said:

The other advantage of NGenco is that it does a pretty good job of filling existing chips and can be colour coded. Important for those cars with a vanilla bonnet.

Chances of finding an RCF with no chips will get less and less. What’s the average RCF mileage these days - 20.000? 

I am expecting some paint chips. I am expecting to buy one with around 15k miles. Taking the car to the place you had it done is another advantage in terms of being able to have any paint chips rectified pre protection being applied. The only questions for me are around its protective properties, price and for me it being a 4 hour round trip for drop off and collection. Ultimately they cant guarantee against chips because a boulder could hit my car! It will be interesting when more comparisons are done between the two in terms of resistance to stone chips. Also, PPF has self healing properties so when it does pick up scratches it does self heal under warm conditions and I don't believe the spray on stuff does.

I certainly won’t have one with no protection. I would use a chap who did my Evora and he uses subtec and expel so that’s all sorted. It’s mkrw the lifting on corners after 18 months or so and the lack of being able to fit to wing mirrors and tight curves cleanly that I don’t like. 

Will be interesting to see what the quote comes out at when the time comes as I’d be after full front protection as well as roof and spoiler. 

Also, the closest applicator is the place near you which is 2 hours from me. 

Yup they list one but it’s a loooong way from me. Lichfield do it but charge a lot. From the digging I have done the product is still on its infancy and is more expensive than ppf with unproven protective priorities and durability over time and many washes etc 

At the moment ppf wins out I think until this has been more thoroughly tested over a year or two on a car. I will get a quote from the folk who did yours for comparison though and who knows, if it’s a good price I may take a punt. 

Blimey! That sounds fantastic...

Fantastic work! Look forward to the clips. A valve is a must for me. Stealth (early morning departures) when you want it then a beast when you want it. 

It looks like a really good product. Even the best ppf films yellow and peel in places. If this is affective as it looks at stopping stone chips and is a bit cheaper it has to be worth a punt. Just need to find somewhere near me that does it. 

Thank you for answering all the questions!

Cheers buddy, last two questions! Where did you get it done? 

So you didn’t bother with the front bumper and wings?

Literally never heard of it but looks interesting. Doesn’t seem to be a lot of info about it.

- How does it compare to ppf in terms of protection?

- Is it more like the liquid crystal stuff people apply to protect paint?

- How well does it last? 

- How much was it to apply?

Sorry for all the questions! 

This stuff???

https://ngenco.com/protect/

How did the cf bonnet and roof perform regarding stone chips? 

Maaaaan white and carbon is soooo gooooood ....

I can’t find the longer clip which I am sure exists. This is just the summary. It does tally with other track reviews re strong brakes, stable cornering etc

Not a bad clip ...

Also... track reviews like this are perplexing when so many ravaged the rcf at launch. Maybe due to testing in isolation but even so....like the isf which seems to be much loved now I think the rcf is a slow burner with the masses. 

What’s the replacement car chap?

2 minutes ago, Martin F said:

I'm only about 15miles away and more than willing to pop over sometime. 

However I'm out of the country for a couple of weeks so will drop you a PM when back and see if we can arrange something. 

That would be great! Much appreciated 👍

No point asking on a bmw forum I’ll just get, it’s a bit lighter and faster to 60 🤪

I was thinking it may be too similar but the change from my 2008 isf is night and day. Far superior interior and totally different looks. 

I guess the reason to get the m4 is to get something different but different isn’t always better. Not in my situation anyway. 

I think this thread has simply confirmed my thought process which is no bad thing. Just want next year to be here so I can ‘f’ing buy one.... see what I did there? 

20 minutes ago, Ben01 said:

And, for example, for me, this is THE point. Like - why I am in lexus GS V8, not in audi S6 or bmw M5, with 100HP more etc? First and mostly, because there is a lot of S6 nd M5 here and a thousand of "same" A6 and 5 series in the area. How many GS V8 there is in Greater Glasgow? A few? I meet common GS300 once a year. And far far next there is a price, reliability, style, etc. And IMHO real differences in performance between M4 or RCF, or GS V8 and S6 or M5, etc. on the public roads, average all year, are marginal.

But this is example, of course. For another guy, performace would be everything. Or style. Or price. Or interior. Or anything. So, think deeply about your priorites first, and about previous experiences (what made you deeply happy with previous cars - trackday? passer-by's admiration? superb interior? reliability? etc), and choice could be pretty easy.

Agree with all of that and the rcf is too for me just wondering why other like minded folk went for the m4 instead. 

Agree with all being said. I guess I’m just after what swayed folk the m4 way. I like doing my own research (which I have done) but also getting people’s views who have been in the same boat as I may have overlooked something. That is the beauty of forums. 

1 hour ago, Warrington guy said:

Stuno1 was after a orange carbon RCF . Nearly did a deal ,just didn’t work out . Glad I got the m4 . Like I said mate just test drive them both . 

Understand, I was just keen to know peoples thought process when choosing one over the other. Given my points in my first post I see no point driving one and was hoping people’s reasoning may sway me to drive one to see if I was missing something. 

3 minutes ago, Warrington guy said:

 . I had a 13 plate isf . Love the car . Now running a M4 . Absolutely love the m4 . I probably agree with some things that have been said regarding wet conditions. All I can say is test drive one . You might be very surprised.

What swayed you over an rcf chap?

I am keen to understand as I will be looking to buy an rcf next year and wonder if I am missing something....

Also, can the weight difference actually be felt between the 2 cars under braking and cornering? 

This is a genuine question and I ammgeen to get ex isf and rcf owner views. Not looking for an argument at all with this post. 

Pros of the m4 from what I have read:

- Quicker than f cars around a track and to 60 but marginally!

- More tunable so easy to get extra power for not a lot of money. 

- More affordable aftermarket options for parts. 

- More entertaining and characterful drive. 

Cons of the m4 from what I have read. 

- Struggles to lay down the power in damp/wet conditions. I use the car all year so may get annoying on winter blats and wet track days.

- Heavier depreciation than f cars bought used.

- Less special as more common on the roads. (Lack of exclusivity)

- Subjective but interior and exterior styling not as striking. 

- I’d be very surprised if it was as reliable as the f cars. 

- Extended warranty is a lot more expensive than f cars. 

- More options from factory so harder to find had examples with spec a person would want whereas the f cars are pretty much fully loaded. 

- The m4 engine exhaust bite doesn’t feel special. Even with aftermarket systems installed. 

Stu

Interesting views. The contrast is what appeals to me with the carbon cars. The grey isn’t out of the question but is last on my list. 

True but it’s not m4 or cayman horrid it’s a good tone and the pay off in power if it sounds like that is a price worth paying for me.