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Just for interest, and to throw a curve-ball in here... 35mpg excellent in a GS450h? Really? I can fairly nearly match that in a GSF on ordinary fast A and B-roads, driving with economy in mind. Beating it would be easy on a quiet motorway! 
Also managed over 30mpg from 364 miles of enjoyment around Wales a few months ago and I certainly wasn’t concerned with how much petrol I was using! Now that’s not bad from a 5.0 V8 with around 480bhp available! 
Disclaimer; usual economy is in the low 20s, previous ISF was about 2mpg worse than the GSF and before that my GS450h (mk3) averaged around 30mpg. My usual driving is through the urban sprawl...
 
 
 

That’s a good point ! On other forums for other car makes most of the discussions are about things going wrong . For 4 years I had my Jag XF and I was glued to the forum reading about problems & potential problems, also learnt a lot about things and managed  to get things replaced even after warranty  because other s had highlighted the issues already . 

Now this is more like it - the car in a more contextual setting.

I love your car.


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That is only diesel one? Why would she even consider diesel nowadays? [emoji1] 
I was considering Q60 myself, but as I said I just found interior ugly... as I said exterior is questionable (I personally like it), but interior is mess, a lot of bright coloured buttons and displays, they seems to prefer strip club blue and red LEDs everywhere, seats are ok - leather is quite soft and nice (thought I heard they do not last), but dashboard is really messed-up in my opinion, controls are confusing and actual buttons feels unbelievably cheap. I haven't driven one (Q60S seems promising with 3.0T and 400hp, 5.0s to 60), just sat in one for 30 min in Westfield centre playing with all gizmos. 
So there are a lot of toys inside, but everything poorly implemented, I would probably guess it is chinese manufactured car if all infinity badges would be removed. 

Now you are showing off! You live in Scotland and still go on pursuit of motoring nirvana! Hat off to your dedication [emoji12]

She (or her replacement) is going for a trip to Andorra next year [emoji106]

and what exactly is the 'daily pressing issue with life' that comes before mass murder of innocent men, women and children  Linas .. your need to get you and your old shed from A to B as quickly as possible per chance ?

 

 

I don’t see mass murder here in Europe - well every now and then when a jihadist chooses to strike

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Of course but not every country has the capacity to invade a foreign power to ensure its future fuel supply. 
 

Let’s see the car set against a country road back drop - maybe something alpine :)

That car needs driven to the Alps :)


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I am not sure... for me interior look very ugly in Infinity. The exterior is questionable already, bun interior is properly ugly...  MB were very unreliable from late 90's ~1998-9 and ~2006-2008. The new Mercs are just simply dull, similar to BMW and Audi (Audi dullest of them all)... not really that unreliable but you must spend fortune on options or it will be very basic. If looking for used - will never find it with right options..  

 

My 2010 E class had plenty go wrong with it too.

The reason people say the newer ones are better is they’ve not quite got to the age where they fall apart (usually in the 5th year onwards)

I recall an amusing comment on a Merc forum, avoid the 2005 and before E classes, they rust but the newer ones are fine. This was like in 2011 when an 08 reg was pretty new. I always look at wheel arches as I go past cars, plenty of 08 reg and 09 reg E classes have scabby rear arches yet pretty much any other make wont rust until it’s well over 10y. The owners actually are so self deluded that they have a premium product that if they convince themselves that rust, jerking gearboxes and random warning lights are just part of day to day motoring in a newish £50k plus car. My cousins 2002 A4 has no rust, my fathers 2012 S class has bubbling paint on two panels.

If you like breaking down, buy a Mercedes.

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Not sure if that is correct. Yes the plane itself uses a lot of fuel but you will have to divide this by the 450 or so passengers on board. If my memory is still there i remember a plane to be more efficient than a car?
 

5 minutes ago, dutchie01 said:

Dont see that happening in the foreseeable future. Airtravel will remain as is, a form of transport for the masses.

i remember the old days when only the happy few could afford it. Classical music in the plane and champagne aplenty

glad those days are gone.

Maybe - it keeps the oi peloy off the DFDS routes to France. I am not a chunnel fan either. Once the Mum with 5 different looking kids brigade can no longer fly and have to drive the drive abroad won't be nearly so pleasant.

Why they cannot just a build a bridge over to France (its only 40 miles so around 35 mins drive) and a bridge to Iceland and onwards to via Greenland to Canada beats me then I could go anywhere without flying.

Or just rip up the train tracks and lay a road down to France.

3 minutes ago, Martin F said:

You may, but hundreds if not thousands will find that unacceptable time for such a journey in the 21st century. 

Once the eco weenies start going after aviation fuel the way cars are vilified I suspect they'll have to get used to a slightly slower speed of getting places.

1 hour ago, Martin F said:

Unless of course you want to save time 

I find a day and night perfectly fast to get between Arrochar (nr Glasgow) and Chamonix - a journey I will be doing next weekend.

I don't think any one mentioned Infinity? Thoughts? Reviews are not good at all!

All major manufacturers are investing literally billions of dollars to develop and build  EVś and it is a race who will bring out mainstream cars like the golf first. From next year these are expected to hit the market which means EV driving will move from trendsetters to general public. Issue is the lack of charging points mainly in cities so local governments will rapidly roll out new systems, here final testing underway with using lampposts as charging point. Next step will be a driving ban in innercities for combustion engines, some european cities already have this in place. Personally i think EV will rapidly be embraced by the majority and opposition will mainly come from old school motoring enthusiast, The moment that EV is cheaper to run, charging is possible in every street aplenty and resale value is stable it will have the majority. Car manufacturers seem to bet on exactly this.   

people are taking the plane more frequent than ever. I do not know anyone that drives distances over 1000 kms as a EasyRyan flight is cheaper and faster. Innercity transport is different i would rather walk than depend on public transport, have not used a bus/metro/tram since i had my drivers licence and will never do so. I fanatically hate public transport and am prepared to pay for a taxi to prevent the traumatic experience of beeing transported in a way i do not wish. 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Conveniently forgetting the 1000s of people who died in the UK through Irish Republican and Ulster Loyalist terrorism

In western societies walking out of a bus, train etc is a lottery imho. Jihadists, acid attackers etc then the more normal risk of smelly beer fuelled football fans, being squished next to a fat person, sitting next to someone loaded with the cold, mums with noisy children.

No wonder people are sticking to their cars.

You’d only take public transport if you were unable to drive imho

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These are fantastic.


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I don’t like to fly. Flying (short range) is incapable impatient people who are unable to drive themselves. I can drive Geneva to Glasgow in a day, and night. That’s quick enough. I don’t need to sit in a can with a big fat smelly person because I’m incapable of driving myself or need to do it within a few hours.


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[mention=55851]FTBBCVoodoo[/mention] - you just being inappropriate now... !
I was very impressed with Chinese trains, but that is because public transport is suitable for communist country.. it just fits the culture there and the way it is managed there is correct for the purpose. Trains there are to provide public service and not to make profit. First class "bullet train" from Shanghai to Beijing (800miles) costs £56 and the price never changes, again because they not trying to make profit. Bloody wagon between London to Edinburgh (400 miles) from 18th century cost £300 and doesn't even have air conditioning... and takes twice as long to travel half a distance .... what are you kidding?!
The best example is when bus or train from London to the airport cost more then the flight 1000 miles away to another country... I mean explain that!
That is sort of seat you get in China, including slippers and dinner, coffee, tea, cakes and beer:

Probably the RC - 2 door cars tend to be seen as more desirable


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Again public transport abroad is impressive in places but I dont use it in the rush hour so cannot compare.

Like where - Switzerland- it’s not. It’s awful. Zermat is “car free” which means you have to take a train. It’s crowded, cramped and reminds me what’s wrong with public transport and what is good and right about driving.

The US - the most productive country in the world has the right approach. Less public transport more driving.

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More people would use public transport if they could. How many more lanes do you want on the M25 [emoji6] I would rather they complete a better and cheaper rail network than new and wider roads. I live in  the SW and the overwhelming majority would rather take a train to London  than drive and then find a place to park but prices stop them...ditto Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool. 

As this thread is about electric vehicles add on charging points to the equation.

The country will not build more roads, ask swampy. Public transport is the future.

 

What’s needed in cities is more car parking and multi stories close to the centres but not in them to take the cars, banning buses as they take up too much room. People could walk the rest. Provide free parking in cities with purpose built under and overground 50 story car parks and people wouldn’t take the train. Particular in acid and knife attack London. If you go to Madrid-drive in - I have twice and you find lots of underground car parks bang in the central. No buses, no hassle just drive and arrive and a short walk to wherever you want to go

I’d like to see the 25 widened to 10 lanes each carriage way, speed limits abolished on motorways entirely (as most of them are good for 150mph plus) and tunnels built in certain cities to take the extra traffic.

More road building is good and right.

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I'd rather the Government spent that on improving and subsidising public transport in all areas, including rural areas. This is the real future.