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3 hours ago, Lex loafer said:

I was quite clear: the most stolen cars in 2023. Not a Lexus on the list. 
 

 

Yes, for the specific 12 month period you’ve chosen. But you also said “No Lexus to be seen, the truth is out there” - and indeed it is, where Lexus cars do feature on the top 10 list depending on exactly which 12 month period the figures cover!

According to Lexus sales figures, just over 58,000 RX (&RXL) have been sold in the UK since 1999. So 1.5% of all RXs sold in the last 23 years were stolen just in that 12 month period. This would be an even higher percentage if you adjusted for the RXs no longer on the road (scrapped, wrecked, previously stolen etc.).

Apparently there were 1.5 million Fiesta’s on the road in 2023. So those theft figures work out at a 0.4% theft rate. Or about a quarter of the RX rate…

2 hours ago, Lex loafer said:

Here are the most stolen cars in the UK in 2023:

The UK’s most stolen vehicles in 2023

1. Ford Fiesta - 5,976 stolen

2. Ford Focus - 2,120 stolen 

3. VW Golf - 2,038 stolen 

4. Mercedes-Benz C-Class - 1,786 stolen 

5. Range Rover Sport - 1,631 stolen 

6. Range Rover Evoque - 1,489 stolen 

7. BMW 3 Series - 1,466 stolen

8. Vauxhall Corsa - 1,110 stolen 

9. Vauxhall Astra - 1,086 stolen

10. Land Rover Discovery Sport - 954 stolen

 

No Lexus to be seen, the truth is out there...

That’s because there were more Fiesta’s stolen than Lexus sells of a single model each year…

The key measure is how many cars per 1,000 or similar are stolen - and sadly Lexus figures don’t look so good that way. That’s what impacts on insurance risk as well. 

3 hours ago, e-yes said:

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Also in the play but probably will never make it... Audi A4 Estate Petrol 2.0 TSI

Well... a highly specced one of these is coming in cheaper than a new ES Takumi and having had some experience with VAG dealerships, I think it may still be possible to track down that one dealer who is willing to knock of up to 20% from the RRP. However... had bad experience with this so called "luxury" brand so... probably will never go this way.

 

DriveTheDeal.com will get you not far away from 20% off an Audi A4 depending on exact trim…

I moved from an A4 to an NX - I’d never go back and the only thing I miss is the extending seat support! 

I would also avoid the previous gen RX as regardless of what you do, you’ll be paying the higher insurance rate due to theft risk. 

45 minutes ago, Simon2024 said:

Hello Everyone

Please can anyone confirm that the NX 300H also requires the anti-theft plate. I have just purchased an NX 300H 2019 and it appears I am not going to be lucky as my dealer is struggling to provide answers. my NX was stolen last month and I am keen to protect the car from being stolen again. 

It probably does require a plate, but I’m afraid Lexus haven’t produced one - they are only available for the RX. 

45 minutes ago, jeffrosie6 said:

The dealers cannot keep a car for sale for more than a certain number of days. If a car is on the forecourt for too long unsold, it looks bad for that dealership, so they move cars around.

When buying a car, my salesman said “it’s being moved tomorrow, so you need to pay sticker price today or you’ll miss out”. I’m not sure he was prepared for my reply of “that’s more cost for you, and maybe the other dealership will be prepared to deal - I typically travel hundreds of miles to get the right car & deal, so no worries”. Funnily enough, we did agree a good price on the car that afternoon…. and it remains the shortest ever distance I’ve had to travel to buy and collect a car! 

8 hours ago, Ken R said:

My understanding was that the NX in its latest edition (late 2021 - present) has the rerouted wiring and therefore the CANBUS threat was reduced.  I appreciate the UWB keys were only introduced in 2023. Its simple verification of these facts that owners are seeking.

It’s not just about rerouted wiring but use of the “Toyota Security Key” (encryption/authentication on canbus) in newer models. 
 

Manufacturers rarely comment on these things as it somewhat creates a menu for thieves to know what they can easily take…

On 1/19/2024 at 1:55 PM, Ken R said:

What is needed is a definitive list of models and production years that have the wiring routed in such a way that they are prone to CANBUS theft. If the electrical architecture on the latest models prevents this method of theft are faraday pouches still required?

The very latest NX models (from March 2023 onwards ish) have different keys that use Ultra Wide Band technology (UWB) that allows more accurate timing and thus can detect (and in theory prevent) a relay attack where thieves scan for your keys and can then open and unlock a car.

The canbus issue doesn’t involve keys at all. It allows them to plug a device into a car and unlock and start it with no access to any keys. 

A Faraday pouch/box is still required for those without UWB as even if the canbus isn’t vulnerable, you’re still at risk of a relay attack. And probably still recommended even if you do have UWB.

25 minutes ago, roy troman said:

I have had my NX renewall come through and its doubled. I then went to Aviva to get a quote on;y to find it declined without any expalnation other than my NX350h will not be insured by Aviva.

Has anyone had insurance problems based on this Model?

I didn’t have problems with quotes being declined last October, but I’m paying an awful lot to insure my NX 450h+. I have however re-run my quote and only 12 insurers are willing to quote… which is rather worrying, and suggests there may be an issue… 

1 hour ago, Jim1977 said:

Thank you for this info. Does that mean that when they try and shift into reverse or drive the engine just shuts down or they just can’t engage drive? We have the gen 1 NX so it may have been implemented differently for that car. Presumably the installer will be happy to explain this on install.

Yes, it works differently on every car. This video shows you for the nx300h: 

https://youtu.be/LWf8CwApCiI?si=GEuL_odMEWmNsER1

15 hours ago, First_Lexus said:

The trouble is that the Lexus CANBUS vulnerability is worse than other manufacturers (apart from JLR). I won’t commit to another Lexus without knowing it isn’t as vulnerable as my current RX - and I think the LBX ought to be ok as the new RX and NX are fixed, but want the assurance…

Generally speaking, if a Lexus car is compatible with Openpilot (a self driving system), it has a vulnerable canbus. The new Yaris and Yaris Cross are not listed as compatible (just like the new NX and RX), and that’s the platform the LBX is built on. I’m not sure Lexus will ever officially confirm which cars are or aren’t vulnerable- so I think that’s the best we’re going to get. As Ronnie said, lots of ways and reasons a car gets stolen these days, vulnerable canbus or not. 

23 minutes ago, Jim1977 said:

Do we think Ghost 2 will fully lock down the Canbus system, thus preventing access into the car at all, or that it just works on the part that allows the car to start or be driven?

No, the Ghost works in two different ways depending on the car model it’s fitted to - in some cars it stops you starting the car, in others it stops the car going into drive (which is how it works on the Lexus NX current gen). 

Didn’t get a full tank of full (and didn’t expect one) - I’d haggled thousands off the price and preferred cash off then fill up at Costco on way home for less. Did come with a full Battery charge though, which was unexpected and a nice touch. 

I’d suggest looking at installing a Ghost or similar. £500 and will stop them taking your car, but not damaging it in the process. 

A new ES can be had with sizable discounts via brokers (£6-7k off) and so the motorway offer seems very high. The WBAC price I’m afraid seems reasonable - £1k per month depreciation in the first year is on the low end compared to many new cars…. 

45 minutes ago, Don C said:

The spec of the new 300h say “Ultra Wide Band Security” whatever that means!

It means a relay attack where thieves “scan” for your keys and relay back to the car doesn’t work. UWB uses very specific timing, and a relay can be detected - meaning the car (in theory) won’t unlock if the key isn’t actually within the right distance of the car. 

3 hours ago, 2019NX said:

Hi all,  I've looked at a lot of the comments in this post and all I can say is that I agree with a lot of what's being said about environment, dealer costs etc.

The bottom line for me is quite simple why should I be paying a 60k service cost when my car has done 18k - the answer is simple - I shouldn't.

Take care

But it isn’t the 60k service. It’s the 6 years (72 months) or 60k service. Many items on a car have both an age limit and mileage limit. Tyres being one common example where many fail with age rather than just usage. 

Given they’ve had the car for so long, I would bet they paid considerably more than it’s currently worth…

Webuyanycar would offer £9500 for it. I’d personally haggle hard and try to get it for £12k. Worst they can say is no!

2 hours ago, BonzoSPB said:

You wouldn't believe how many new cars there are that have a list price of just over £40k.

For the purposes of the Luxury Car Tax, the £40k limit excludes the first registration fee (£55) and first year’s VED. A car just over £40k can thus avoid the luxury element, if subtracting both of those can take it back under £40k - assuming there isn’t a price increase before it arrives, as the list price is based on the list price the day before the car was registered. 

Lexus ES is a great example where they’ve held the premium edition price at £40k for a while now, presumably for that reason!

What I really don’t understand are manufacturers who apply thousands of pounds in discount or PCP deposit contributions on cars just over £40k. The consumer is still saddled with the £2k in extra luxury VED costs over 6 years, yet the manufacturer still only pockets £35k-ish. Seems silly for all involved. 

Review can also be found online, here: https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/lexus/lbx-suv/

Rather amazed they expect 1 in 3 sales to come from the LBX, given its distinctly average emissions and mpg. With the 22% ZEV mandate in the UK this year, and less-than-great Lexus EV options with the poor-selling UX300e & RZ, I’d have assumed Lexus would have focused on selling as many NX and RX 450h+ plugins as the much lower co2 emission figures for those models can be “traded” for credits towards the ZEV mandate. 

2 hours ago, Scotlex said:

Good point about the car tax. I really object to paying the extra. My plan was to buy something just under the £40k. Lots of nice cars in that price range.

I obviously forgot about my plan when buying the NX 🙈

I tried for ages to find a car under £40k but everything had one compromise too many. This then became my justification for “there’s no point paying it on something just over the £40k limit… make the extra luxury payment worthwhile”. Hence a NX 450h+… 

I do miss the £20/year I used to pay for my Audi, but I don’t regret having to pay the expensive VED at all, as I have a brilliant car I enjoy driving. 

Various brokers have had the new C-HR with £8k discounts available, meaning it’s low £30ks depending on the exact spec. It is a very tempting price for a lot of car - and I’d probably take a 2.0 Premiere and live with the £600/yr VED (as annoying as it is!). 

The NX is a much more modern car than the UX. It’s also a lot more premium in terms of materials used and sound deadening etc. 

While Lexus have done their best to keep the UX updated, I simply wouldn’t be comparing the two models are it’s really night and day difference between them both. 

Best thing to do is arrange a test drive of each and see what you think.

On 12/30/2023 at 5:42 PM, Chester Lad said:

my phone is paired through Bluetooth with car but car system can't access my phone contact list. any advise would be welcome.

Thanks

Chester lad

As Charles said, you usually get a pop up. However, you may need to unpair (“forget”) the phone and car, and re-pair again via Bluetooth to get the pop up and select allow on the smartphone when it asks for permission to share contacts etc. 

On 1/5/2024 at 4:17 PM, wecpc said:

UPDATE

. I will get my own back though when my home insurance is due shortly, also with LV, so they can go and whistle. If they had honoured it, it still would have cost me £60 to cancel the other  policy, but I would still had saved at least some money. TOTALLY CHEESED OFF.

Colin

I’m surprised it would have cost you £60 - as the new policy hasn’t started yet (presumably, based on dates here), it should have been a free cancellation…?

2 hours ago, Slucky said:

The ES is based on the same platform as the Toyota Avalon and Camry, and the Avalon has now been discontinued. The ES and Avalon share a similar timeline. So wouldn't be surprised, if the ES was retired. Whereas the Camry is now been updated to the 2025 Camry and share all the similar designs to the new Prius - https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/camry/

So why is there no ES 2025? The ES 2024 has nothing new to offer. 

 

That Camry could almost be a Lexus… one nice looking car and interior!