Newbie777

Interesting comments from another thread on engine oil..

7 hours ago, Newbie777 said:

Thanks, 

The noise does not come up at startup or there all the time, yes it does occur when the car is warm, but then sometimes it's not there at all. And no am not making it up as you can hear from the video.😂

On 2/13/2024 at 7:08 AM, Malc1 said:

My thoughts might be too simplistic for one’s modern day thinking …….. BUT  you had reservations a while back about your engine oil grade …… in olden times when conventional engines developed tappet noise from ostensibly” engine wear “, a slightly denser grade oil relieved the tapper  noise issue 🤔

Malc 

Thanks Malc,

As agreed I used the 5w30 oil rather than the newer 0w20.

I think oil used was ACEA comparableand one that is recommended in the service manual, happy to change the oil to lexus 5w 30 and do another servibut strange the noise is only coming from the nearside and only happening now and then.It may have been here before the oil change too.

On 2/13/2024 at 1:40 PM, Notamech said:

I feel like Toyota recommend 0w20 for hybrids for a reason. 5w30 may be great for a regular gas / diesel powered engine that are on most of the time. The hybrids keep shutting off the engine so on a single city drive you engine starts and stops several times and needs thinner faster flowing oil when it starts back up. Personally I would stick with 0w20.

Hybrids are a bit quirky with their fluid requirements.  E.g you have to use a different non conductive compressor oil for the a/c. I think its best to stick with manufacturer's recommendations on oil grade.

Very interesting as I changed to 5w30 and hear a tappeet noise which comes on and off. However could not determine which oil was used previously for the last 3 years, I thought it maybe 5w 30, but could be wrong!!

1 hour ago, ColinBarber said:

Manifold leaks aren't always constant. They often occur on start up but once hot the metal expands and seals the crack, the IS-F can suffer this as an example. However it wouldn't typically come back again so is unlikely in this situation.

Thanks, 

The noise does not come up at startup or there all the time, yes it does occur when the car is warm, but then sometimes it's not there at all. And no am not making it up as you can hear from the video.😂

11 hours ago, Malc1 said:

Moderner technology certainly has its drawbacks ……. and huge benefits …….. that’s why people have plenty of money to change their cars at appropriate ages and wear times 😄

222k miles and 14 years ……. most “ ordinary “  cars are almost at the scrapper by now …….and the original owner is either on his subsequent 5th or 6th new limo car or just passed into that great cloud in the sky 😄

Me an ancient Ls400 owner …… I can barely remember not having one …… prior main cars memories pass into oblivion it seems …… just cannot envision getting myself into the ownership pickle of a car so complex as your Ls600 or ……. Bentley …….. 

Good luck with it all, I’m sure this issue will resolve ok ……. Then on to the next 😂

Malc

I watch all your Posts with quite some interest for sure 

Thanks Malc,

You are right, people have issues and go to another car.

Me am not too worried, it's a V8 first and engine and not hybrid Battery related. If it is the Bentley then you are right a big headache and big money, no easy way out.

I will look at this step by step,  as there are a few options.

I think I also watch for your comments too, it's great to help each other, but also to respect each other, sometimes people don't like my comments as I am a bit controversial, but my approach is never to upset anyone in any way.

4 hours ago, Malc1 said:

Wot a conundrum 🤔

Malc 

Complicated cars Malc you are lucky yours are straight forward but great v8s!

4 hours ago, BigBoomer said:

The fact that it switches on and off leads me to think it is something that only operates part time.
It switches on and off too often for the suspension compressor and I believe that the Lexus air-con compressors are non-clutch type so not likely to be that either.
A manifold leak would be constant but as Notamech stated above it could be the engine switching between manifold injectors and direct injectors.
I think that will need a Lexus dealer to diagnose what may even be a normal sound for the LS600h.

Thank you I like the process of elimination, my issue when I took to the garage I I only had 10 mins and the sound was not there!

I think I will start with air filter and also check if there is anything that has come offnor loose. Also I feel it is a tppet sound with a vacuum.

For now I will not pursue the oil change.

I will look to see if there any fault codes and go back to the garage.

Like the worse or good part is when the noise is not there it sounds perfect and also goes into electric mode perfectly too, so pretty annoying or good it is not persistent.

I'm not a mechanic but if I was I would say it is starving oil somewhere and that where it is not lubricating well or enough thats why it becomes  louder, not sure at all though but the car has 222k miles

7 hours ago, Spock66 said:

I agree sounds like something loose and rattling.

I also think any issues with oil viscosity would be a constant sound rather than intermittent as is happening here.

I am thinking the same, at first I though perhaps teh previous oils were 0w20, but driving round the fuel economy is slightly better, not worse if I had used different oils

1 hour ago, Malc1 said:

My thoughts might be too simplistic for one’s modern day thinking …….. BUT  you had reservations a while back about your engine oil grade …… in olden times when conventional engines developed tappet noise from ostensibly” engine wear “, a slightly denser grade oil relieved the tapper  noise issue 🤔

Malc 

Thanks Malc,

As agreed I used the 5w30 oil rather than the newer 0w20.

I think oil used was ACEA comparableand one that is recommended in the service manual, happy to change the oil to lexus 5w 30 and do another servibut strange the noise is only coming from the nearside and only happening now and then.It may have been here before the oil change too.

2 minutes ago, Newbie777 said:

Brill that's helpful, I will be sending a video hope that makes it easier, thanks

Please video attached, the noise eventually goes away and sometimes is not there at all

12 hours ago, Notamech said:

Im not sure about the ls600h but i had this on my is300h and looked into it. Turns out its normal and is the direct injection injectors. So a lot of modern Toyota engines have both port as well as direct injection and when the car switches to direct injection those injectors make a tapping/ticking sound as part of their normal operation.

Brill that's helpful, I will be sending a video hope that makes it easier, thanks

12 hours ago, BigBoomer said:

Use a mechanics stethoscope to isolate where the sound is coming from. Could be so many different things.

I don't have one, but can do a video and you can the issue, thanks

An update this morning.

The tapetting noise is not apparent upon startup but after a few minutes.

The noise comes on for 10 or 15 seconds, goes away and then comes back on after 30 seconds, some vacuum pipe perhaps?

Hello,

I own a  Ls600hl MY 2010, with 222k miles.

I noticed today when I had the engine bay open a slight but not very loud tapetting sound coming from the front nearside of the engine bay, not far behind headlights.

I think it more prominent when the car is cold as I could not hear it when I checked when the car was warm.

I do not hear it either when I am in the car.

Recently, although not due,  I asked my mechanic to change the oil and oil filter,it was 5w 30 fully synthetic ( not sure which brand as he supplied it) and a genuine lexus filter which I supplied (the oil looked light brown than yellow).

Car drives fine, is not sluggish, gets to ideal temp and does not overheat, coolant all fine, no warning lights etc etc.

Not sure if it has been like that for a while or due to the oil change perhaps?

Is it normal? Some bearings? 

Thanks

On 2/7/2024 at 6:03 AM, Malc1 said:

I’ve thought for many years  to buy a Bentley ….. the older models look more my style …… my bank account would never cope with the maintenance drain and my nerves neither …… I’d be a wreck worrying about it ……. a Lexus is easy peasy by comparison AND all one could wish for in  comfort, reliability whatever 

Indeed Prince Rainier had a magnificent bespoke Lexus I believe…… wonder what happened to  that car  …… still in his garages maybe 🤔

Malc 

Yes Malc,

Owning a Lexus and going to Bentley is not a good move.

Just when you think you have the car perfect, something goes wrong and it's then a headache getting the part and then time for the garage, each bill is minimum of £500plus.

The only good bit is the interior which you can admire just sitting and not driving the car!!

3 hours ago, Mr Vlad said:

Hi Niaz. Are you sure Vertu went bust? I looked them up after seeing something on TV about how they're made. They're still in existence according to Google. They're a French based firm.

I fully understand that some folk want to and do fork out a shed load of money for items like mobile phones. I'm just not one of them.

There was a time I had more money than I knew what to do with. I spent it on cars and motorbikes. Not on top of the range 'jewellery' (I'll use that word for phones). Where I fekked up on was not buying a house back then. 

The Vertu I bought was hand made and the name of who made it is located in the SIM tray. Vertu went bust and they have now opened up again in Honk Kong, but they are not the same quality phones and not a proper concierge , they focus on technology and not pure quality like my Vertu phone.

I agree it is about making sensible decisions which you can afford and be comfortable with.

Also if it buying a new phone gives you some happiness do it, if it helps you to communicate better, do it, if it helps you with your lifestyle, do it.

The reality is most things that we think are essential in life are not, it is a very materialist world!

8 hours ago, Mr Vlad said:

There's a saying "you get what you pay for". Personally speaking I find anyone spending over a grand for a mobile phone either needs their head testing or have more money than sence or are fashion conscious. 

Chinese phones. OMG have you seen what you can get on Temu? Blatant copies of Samsung phones.

These modern phones have more computing power that what they had to send the first rocket into space. 

My current phone is the Samsung S22 Ultra. Did I buy new or is it on a plan? No. I bought reconditioned. To be honest I'm disappointed with it. My previous phone the superb Samsung S10 Lite, bought reconditioned years ago, developed a niggle which bugged the sheitte out of me. Later found out I'd messed up the ZoneAlarm Internet security settings. But what got me, I was under the impression the S22 Ultra was a Bigger phone. Not ruddy likely. They're the same size. However the camera wires the floor with the S10 Lite. 

I use to be a Nokia man till one day I learned that my phone dialled 999 50 times whilst in my pocket. Straight to Samsung after that and I've had them ever since and that's over 30 years. 

As for longevity of phones. The phone before the S10 Lite was the Note 4. Got that very very soon after they came out, Gid knows when that was, but just last month I stripped it to pieces and off the the phone palace in the sky. That phone just became so slow it was painful. It was my backup phone. 

As for how a phone feels in one's hand. All phones feel plastic. However I've been using Spigen phone cases and the phone feels like a piece of quality. Nevermind titanium this and diamond encrusted that. That's just posh nonsense. 

Phones are one of those things that are now used for everything, paying for goods, camera, calls, Bluetooth etc etc.

I am happy to pay over £1k for something that I will use heavily throughout the day, but is  light and practical, very similar to my lightweight laptop, the Asus Zenbook flip.

I paid over £6k for a Vertu phone with Concierge that helped with my travel etc.The phonewas made from titanium, had a sapphire crystal screen and calf leather back, they went bust in 2016? 

Also  every year I lose £2k on my car,even if I do not drive it, so there are different ways of looking at wasting money.

Also new technology has a small time window and then it becomes common and people buy it for a lot cheaper.

Nowadays apple and Samsung, are only making minor changes so there is no point replacing a 2 year old phone.

Two things Honor have not got right is there confusing marketing in terms of discounts, they are all over the show and their Customer Services, oh dear!!

But I am genuinely surprised by the Honor phone, it is Chinese technology that has not been copied!!

A friend of mine, really clever guy went to China to work for Huawei. He left after 6 months to work for HP in America. The reason he said they are only good at copying and not nothing new!

9 hours ago, Bluemarlin said:

I think there's also a case of the latest technology that nobody has yet released.

In some case what we get isn't just what's possible, but what's sufficient for us to be persuaded to upgrade, with manufacturers releasing previously developed upgrades as and when they have to.

I agree, the main thing is whether you want it now and pay over the odds or wait a bit and the technology will all be the same but you will save the excess money

On 2/2/2024 at 11:41 PM, ALAW said:

The release price for the S24 ultra is around £1300

I paid £1200 for my V2 and will get some B&O headphones and 6 months internal and external damage cover.

It not cheap I agree and not for everyone

On 2/2/2024 at 11:40 PM, ALAW said:

According to a review i have read on Tech Radar the S24 ultra will receive updates for 7 years 7 years. Tech Radar rate the phone as the best on the market they did some benchmarks against an iphone and it beat it hands down. The issues you raise here the glitches on the chinese phones i have experienced them as well on my one plus.

No one will keep a phone for 7 years, technolog moves fast

9 hours ago, Linas.P said:

My colleagues are also all on iphones, generally in UK iphones are very popular, certainly way more popular than Globally or in rest of Europe. Not really sure why they are so popular.

I personally never liked iphones, just my preference. Bu they also been quite dodgy recently with removing features rather than adding them, also with introduction of Pro... basically if you don't get Pro then you getting "mid-range" phone, for the price that used to be "high-end". Also I just don't like how restricted everything is, basically you buy the phone, but apple still owns it and dictates you what you can and can't do. Just can't live with that. 

In my experience Samsung provides 3-4 years of updates for operating system, but they continue with security updates for quite a while. I am not sure what they promise, but certainly more than 5 years. At least that is true for their "flagship" devices, so Galaxy S, Galaxy Fold all getting at least 5 years of updates. I guess depends on where one draws the line, but 5 years in my experience were plenty, longer than that and phone becomes really obsolete anyway. 

As for Chinese phones - they simply can't be trusted, some models may get updates, some may not get-updates... simply the number of different devices they spit out each year means that it would be very hard to stay on top of their all updates for many years. I think 2-3 years if you lucky. The Oppo Find X that I got in 2018 only got 1 update after like 18 months and that was it, over time apps started glitching and crashing on it and by ~2021 it became almost useless. To befair nothing major has failed on it, battery got to maybe 6 hours, also it had sliding camera and it developed the fault where sometimes you would slide camera cover and it would not turn on, but then usually if you close and open it, then it would turn on, not sure if that was software or hardware issue. I guess with time it would have stopped working completely, but had not done so in time I was still using it.

The Magic V2 will get 4 years Google updates and 5 year Magic OS  software updates.

nI the UK your info is shared with people you know and people you do not!

I was into apple right from the start, pdas and Psion before . I found out that apple was using my data without my consent, switched over to Android and at least Google told me they were using my data.

In terms of not trusting Chinese, that is something that our media and government have decided to blow out of propertion, it is a personal choice.

5 hours ago, ganzoom said:

Through circumstance I'm in a similar situation, using a Fold 4 and Honor Magic Pro 5. Samsung blows Honor out of the water on the software and stability front, however the Honor has a genuine all-day battery life even when hot-spotting to the iPad and doing GPS tracking.

The V2 is too expensive and doesn't move the game on from the Fold....... I left the Apple walled garden after moving away from the iPhone 5S to a Galaxy S7. However my iPad pro has been really impressive interms of functionality and am now saving up for V2.0 of this....... 

 

 

I agree with you regarding the Samsung is better in some ways. I do own a z fold and also a Google pixel.

However, unless you see it hold the V2, it is hard to understand, this is new great technology and not a marketing ploy.

26 minutes ago, agent_dess said:

A few weeks ago car went for service and i was advised the Tyre Sealant has expired 2 years ago.... Funnily they never mentioned that in the last 2 services i had.

Anyway anybody know where i can get a replacement bottle from? LPD only sell the full kit and actually have 2 listed 1 at £72 and 1 at £108.

Or any suggestions for a 3rd part sealant bottle?

 

 

And to order the £78 kit from Japan with 6 day shipping is £25 + postage which im sure wont be that much 😂

I think Halfords have them and I think Euro carparts have them too, not sure which one of these have them on offer at the moment.

1 hour ago, 57jam89 said:

Hi all,  
Any one can help with my 450h hybrid system? 
Car has been off the road since Christmas due to having the gearbox pump rebuild and hybrid battery reconditioned.  
Today was the 1st time I've tried to start it and it won't start. I have check hybrid system on the dash. 
12v battery was new 6 mths ago. I've double checked all connecters on hybrid battery and 12v battery.  I can't connect techstream or dr prius, i don't know why. 

Any ideas ?

Hi, what is the voltage on your 12v Battery?

8 hours ago, Linas.P said:

Yeah, nowadays they have "high-end" and then "true" high-end. As always we can thank apple for this mess - I think they started it with iphone x, or maybe 11. Basically before you get either Iphone or galaxy S and that was the high-end phone of the year to get, then apple introduced "pro" for like £1500. At first it looked like either you get normal phone or overpay for some gimmick, but now the normal iphone or Galaxy S are actually mid-range, for example I have S22 and it just feels cheap even compared to my previous S10, because the one to get suppose to be £1500 S22 Ultra (or it was 2 years ago at least, S24 just launched now). Well and obvious they have these foldable phone now which used to cost a lot, but again rumours are Samsung is going to get competitive on pricing again.

As for foldable phones - they are still fragile. When they were not water-proof I didn't even consider them, but I bought Z4 Flip as present and it was quite good, the special screen protector failed after 15 months, but it was replaced by warranty for free. Screen seems to hold just fine for now and Samsung does £150 subsidised replacements. But foldable phones are still fragile in comparison to normal ones, you definitely need to take extra care with them.

I honestly can't care about latest and greatest now, somehow few years back each phone release used to excite me and there was some significant upgrade, but in recent years I really struggle to see what am I getting for extra money. Same applies to both Samsung and Apple - I can't even tell the difference between iphones after 12, Galaxy S likewise... last 3 or 4 are pretty much identical... S21, 22, 23 and now 24 really offers more or less the same package. If anything I probably prefer my old S10 (generally would like to have more compact phone, but there are no more compact high-end ones). As such I just keep the phones until they fail now... had S6 edge, to be fair it had not failed, but got quite slow after 4 years, S10 - I cracked the screen after 3 years (still works fine, just glass has chip) and S22 still going strong after 2 years, so if rumours are true then maybe in 2 years time I will pick-up discounted Fold 6. As for all other brands I personally find them irrelevant, so if android then it is Samsung, if not android then it is iphone... Never found Google Pixel to be any good, Sony, LG, HTC etc. are all pretty much irrelevant now. Motorola is basically chinese company as well and they kind of hang around in mid-range and then there is probably 100 different chinese companies. Generally they have impressive spec sheets, but features are just not polished and do not work half of the time and that is even considering Samsung features are often not fully polished. Also again in my experience they simply fail in less than a year, it starts little by little, but in 12 month it usually turns into brick... sort of maybe camera starts turning off at first, then it doesn't turn on at all, then microphone starts glitching, then people can't hear you anymore and by years' end they stop charging, or holds 4h of charge... or some combination of similar issues.

As for malware - 1 it is real thing, but 2 - I kind of agree, there is nothing useful they can find out about me and I am not planning to go to china at any time soon. So it isn't real concern, but it is there. Also perhaps I would be little bit worried logging in into my banking account, they probably wouldn't bother stealing my 2p worth of savings, but I in theory they could if they wanted to. Also also - that is not to say google or apple does not spy on us, the difference perhaps is targeted advertising vs. "re-education camp" in Xinjiang. That said I think my key issue is their quality and "longevity" and their price isn't even that good in UK. For example I bought Oppo Find X in 2018 when I was in China and my girlfriend bought Vivo something... whatever. Point is in China Oppo Find X costed something like £290, whereas here it only launched year later for £899. And similar story for Vivo, it was even cheaper, if memory serves - like £155. So yes - at those prices they are amazing devices and I don't even care if they last 6 months, but at UK price I just never going to pay £1000+ for chinese phone, for one I kind of know they are not worth it, because they actually sell for maybe £250 in china and secondly, they are made to that level of quality. So yeah - if ever needed "burner" phone for some reason, then I may just get one of the cheaper ones for under £200, but I will never regard them as premium devices in the same league as Samsung or Apple.

I think the keyword is latest technology that nobody yet has achieved.

Regarding malware, honestly, that is political, in this country they know everything about you, where you go shopping, car insurance etc

Samsung and apple only changes are a better processor, different materials etc. Nothing wrong with them and they are quality, tried and tested, but same old stuff.

I also think China is good at copying.🤣

However, this is something that has NOT been done before and it is from China. It will push Samsung further and apple will need to think long and hard too.

The bad news the Honour will not hold it's price and the current marketing strategy is all over the show. The software is a mix of android and iOS.

So far I am very happy with device and with it all it's faults, it is something that is a bit of marvel, see it your hand and you understand.❤️

Am sure in 6 months the quality test will reveal it all, but I am not thinking that far ahead😃