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Right now with a 5 year old the rcf. If it was just me and my wife the lc with different wheels. All lc wheels are pretty horrible. 

Is that similar to the tvr paint? It’s not for me but each to their own.

Enjoy the Alfa. Still needing 4 doors? The Alf’s looks great. Make sure you come back and tell us how you get on.

Agree. It bugged me in my isf. It is harder to push the lever forward when accelerating! I just used the paddles. 

Any naturally aspirated car will feel gutless at low rpm. That’s not the point of them. People are getting too used to heavy torque turbos with lunch low down the range. Also, the rcf has different gear box settings depending on mode and any proper reviews show in sport and sport plus the gear change is a lot sharper. 

Sadly most who speak about cars on pistonheads have rarely driven the cars they are speaking about. 

Wonder who makes that for Lexus. 

3 hours ago, Flytvr said:

Sorry - I wasn't clear, I was driving it. Not bought it.

Epically fast car! Don't play with one in an F! 

It is a weapon. What’s the car plan now? Taking a break or looking for a replacement? 

Nice car and a bit of a change in size form the f. 

2 hours ago, Ziggy1024 said:

Much like you can spend >£100K on a Toyota Lexus?

I know where you're coming from but elsewhere in the world, people are less hung-up on brand names and recognise that GS are still good value (to the watch-liking weirdos of this world) when compared to the more 'prestigious' (Swiss) alternatives.

Don't get me started on massive watches...

Agree and in my head when i was typing the lexus/Toyota scenario was in my head. If you slapped a Toyota badge on an RC-f and moved it away from Lexus it would sell a lot less. Asking 5k for a seiko is a hell of a brand image barrier to overcome, especially when the same brand offers watches for 100 as well. 

Grand Seiko do incredible watches BUT have really ramped up the price at this years basel world. Some GS watches now at 10k ish and Seiko watches with the spring drive movement at 5k!!! Yes it had the spring drive movement and great case and bracelet work but it’s a bloody Seiko! They need to jeep seiko and GS separate from a branding perspective. Also they need more smaller sports watches as they are all a bit beefy.

Like cars, watch collecting is fun at all price points. You don’t have to own expensive cars or watches to enjoy them. 

If it was integrated I’d quite like it but as a dash pod I am not a fan. 

Some good responses to this post. Small update from me. While my car hiatus continues in leu of a house purchase my watch journey continues! 

I added a black bay 58 as my new daily on leather and subsequently bought the nato for it. I will buy the bracelet at some stage as well. At 39mm in diameter, 47mm lug to lug and 12mm thick it is super comfy and the perfect size for my wrist at just under 7inches. 

This watch has really changed my idea on what size watch works for me. 13mm height is my max, 42mm diameter and 50mm lug to lug. 

While i never intend to sell my watches I have sold my Pelagos. I found the height at just over 14mm uncomfortable and didn’t fit under my shirt cuff so couldn’t wear it for work. Also, with it being fully brushed titanium it didn’t fit well in more formal occasions. The BB58 effectively took its place. 

I now have some cash to spend on a new watch and with this new found understanding of my ideal size I’ll be buying a zenith el primero chronomaster 38mm as my next watch. It will add a new colour dial, a new brand and a new complication to my small collection.

https://m.zenith-watches.com/en_en_m/el-primero-original-1969-46.html

I am learning as I go and building a diverse set of watches as I go. For my 40th I already have a Rolex gmt master 2 BLNR ear marked and the wife is aware 😂

It is a very enjoyable hobby but a bloody slippery slope!

Stu

1 hour ago, gb1600e said:

No surprise to me that the ISF comes into Autocar magazine's list of depreciation busting performance cars. But Shhhh just don't tell everyone !!

"There are certain performance cars on the second-hand market that are so well-regarded – and that are in sufficient demand – that their values are set in stone. Pick the right one and it’ll probably owe you nothing two or three years down the road. You could get back every penny you paid for it".

"post-2011 IS Fs still command £25,000, while the earliest cars are trading hands for around £18,000. It’s unlikely they’ll slip much further"

"IS F is exceptionally rare, which is exactly what will keep values strong in years to come."

Well we knew that I guess but it's what Autocar think too, and its certainly more fun than keeping the keeping the money in the bank!

I just need to wait until the RC F reaches a similar status before I raid the bank again

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/beating-depreciation-performance-cars-cost-nothing-own

 

What I am hoping and expecting is that isf prices will bolster rcf and Rcf will bolster lcf much like the Elise bolsters the exige and the exige bolsters the Evora. If the top price isf cars are listed at 25 I would expect rcf to remain 5k plus above it at all times. 

1 hour ago, PRT68 said:

As mentioned above, I'm also glad I went down the F route. I looked at the usual contenders, C63, M3 etc, and looking at the owners forums, just couldn't face the worry of frequent expensive bills. Had mine 11 months and 4000 miles and have spent nothing on it. And sleep at night, knowing that with the warranty, I should be covered.

Since the Aston Martin Vantage came out, I always lusted after them, and one was also on my list. Again though, they seem to have regular battery, clutch and body work problems. I looked at some at a place called Mcgurks, and was very tempted to call in again after the recent F meet at the airfield café. Then I thought, do I really want the prospect of potentially having to budget £2-3000 per year to keep one going. 

A good unworried blast home opening that second intake cured me. 

 

 

For a while.....Or will an RCF be next??

 

It’s the worry free ownership people overlook and it is massively under rated element of toy car ownership. A friend is selling his Maserati due to fear of it breaking. My lotus had some issues but none massively expensive but I was always wondering what the next niggle might be. My isf was perfect and that’s why I’ll be getting an rcf. Drive it across continents and not worry, hammer it on B roads and track and not worry etc

@Flytvr come ooooooon! What is it?

4 or 3 doors?

48 minutes ago, Flytvr said:

She’s back to stock - Quicksilver removed before sale.

She’ll be appearing at Sytner Select

RCFs are very hard to sell privately. Be warned

That does not surprise me. Easiest way to move one on is trading in against a more expensive car. Any private sale at 20k plus will be tough due to lack of warranty and finance.

What are you replacing it with? 

Sensible informed folk go for the isf. Folk who just want an m3 get an m3. When I looked into them they were just a. Money pit. Before issues you needed an engine inspection for some sort of standard failure that escapes me now. Brake lines need replacing and better discs and pads as stock ones fade very quickly when driven hard. Throttle actuators both will eventually break and so it goes on...

16 minutes ago, B1RMA said:

My point was that yes it is a nice car but it's fair to say that the RCF is not really that good a track day car, check out the Chris Harris video on the RCF. Very few cars within the sensible price range are good at both road and track. So if you like the RCF for the money if you are inclined to do the track day thing you might as well buy a car more suited and I would dare say more fun on track for the price of a new RCF track edition you could buy a decent RCF and a trackday car and still have plenty of change left to run the trackday car

But then you have 2 cars to maintain and all the costs that go with it. Personally I would rather buy the rcf track edition and use it as a toy/weekend car and track car like I did with my lotus Evora.

I can’t comment on how firm the suspension is and as such if it would grate on long road trips but I doubt it would be an issue. For me this is what I wanted from the rcf in the first place. A car that is good on track and on road. No car aiming for both will ever be perfect at both but it’s capable of both with a track bias making it more enjoyable than the current rcf. I think the buyer for this is almost a different person buying the rcf.

Not sure what people don’t get? Yes it appeals to a small audience but it appeals. I love cars like this. You can drive them to a track, European road trips Nd them to Sainsbury. All with having room for kids in the back and golf clubs in the boot. If track days do invalidate warranty that would surprise me and would be daft. 

As for the car and what it offers I think it’s superb. 

Nice weight saving at 65kg. Would be good if the gearbox could be mapped but I would be more interested in if the engine can be mapped to get the more torque lower in the rev range like these cars. That would be awesome and genuine real world benefit. 

Ta, good read. 

Perfect price and perfect car but wrong time. My house purchase is going through in June so my purchase is delayed. If I had bought it you would have known about it! 

Left the building when the car sold perhaps?