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The protection pack is something I had supplied by the dealer in 2019 with my first ES and I have retained items from that for my new car, the boot floor liner and the front winter rubber mats both of which came with a rear bumper stainless steel strip. The cost to the dealer was unknown to me but in 2019 it was a £400 accessory. I had to leave the bumper trim in place as it's held on by double sided tape and the risk of distorting it if I removed it was too high so I left it on. Interesting to see in the online Lexus configurator the protection pack is quoted at £399 but only shows one picture of the rear bumper trim. Not sure why they don't show the boot liner and front rubber mats unless they are now saying the protection pack is only the bumper trim making it very expensive if all you get is the stainless steel trim piece. You can buy a boot liner and front winter mats from any Lexus parts dept but the mats alone are £400 and the boot liner is around £150, that's why when my dealer supplied the original protection pack I was very lucky to get all of the items. I might still buy a bumper trim piece but will check out the price first. If the dealer says still £399 on it's own then I will do without.

F.A has made things easy for you by posting the link to a thread about space savers. The UK didn't qualify for a space saver unlike other markets like the US who get everything. Inflation kits normally mean a new tyre when you go to have the puncture repaired as few tyre outlets like getting involved in cleaning out the goo the inflation kit pumps in when you use it. You would have to buy a space saver from another Lexus model that does have them as standard or buy a used one on E Bay as I did. Temporary puncture kits are something people use as a temporary fix before having a proper vulcanised repair done.

The app or as I call it "My Lexus" requires you to sign in on the Lexus UK website assuming you created the a/c first and should then show two things after signing in, 1. Owned cars and Orders. If you click orders the next screen shows your ES in the colour you chose and a status which in my case shows Left the Factory and also it's location which is Toyota City. Aichi Prefecture Japan. A Track my Order link shows the history of the build and it's current status.

Jarinder, the front winter mats are exceptional in design and quality. You only have to look at the them to appreciate the fact that the injection moulding machine that must have been made just to produce these mats is very elaborate and therefore it's why Lexus want £400 for a front set alone.

Jan 2022 due. Told by my dealer car built and left the Toyota City factory. Was told March/April next year but it would appear I should get it January sometime. Ordered 26.10.21

Definitely for Insurance cover, no charge for the car itself. Be aware though that the insurance premium may still hold you liable for the excess should you damage the car or even if a third party car collides with you. Warranty claims are different however as the loan car is covered by the dealer incl insurance.

Fair point Paul, Lexus Leeds are part of a big motor group called Vantage, I lived in Leeds for 40 years and they have been trading all that time but who knows what might happen in business. I'll take a chance and leave the money with them and if the car does turn up in January as they suggest, it's already left the factory, then I will just be able to collect it with all the PCP paperwork completed already. We have a bit of faith in the Vantage group as we bought a Yaris hybrid back in March 2021 and they were very professional in all the necessary ordering etc. Fingers crossed they can survive till after I get the car.

It must be about getting their hands on good quality used stock. Sticking with Lexus dealers only take a look at what the national picture is across all models of used Lexus cars. The stock levels are very low across 46 UK dealers, UX, 230 cars incl all electric models, ES, 78 cars, LS, 8 cars, GS, 24 cars, IS, 95 cars and so on. These are not high numbers when you compare what BMW, Mercedes and Audi dealers are carrying nationally. You should have a chat with your dealer Brent out of curiosity if nothing else just to see how generous they might be.

Hi Vince, I have the same items waiting to go in to my new ES but I'm sure you will get someone interested as the mats cost a small fortune at around £399 retail and the boot liner is at least £140 retail. The front winter mats are really good as you know because of their design and they fit like a glove.

Just posted this below in another Topic but as it relates to new car orders and time frames for delivery it might assist people who have been quoted March/April 2022 for delivery on ES orders as I was on the 26.10.21. I'm wondering what has changed at the Lexus factory. My new ES was ordered on Tuesday the 26.10.21 verified by the dealer sending me a copy of the order that Lexus UK received. Took a call on the 12.11.21 from my dealer to say the car was now built, been through final quality control and has left the Factory in Toyota city Aichi Prefecture. The car is on it's way to the ship transporter and then on to Portbury in the UK. It came as a surprise that after only 18 days the car is about to drive up the ship's ramp given that I waited 6 months for my previous ES. So much for manufacturer shortages or is it that Toyota/Lexus are immune to supplier chain problems. My dealer now said January 2022 is more than likely to be the hand over month. As a foot note my friend owns a 2019 Toyota Prius and is considering a new Rav4 or CHR. He was told only 3 weeks ago he would be allowed £19,500 on his Prius if he ordered a new car. As he has only the one car he was concerned what the dealer would value the car in 4 months time which is the delivery time for a new Rav4. Yesterday the dealer rang him again and keen to get him signed up offered him £20,000 for the Prius and said he could hang on to the car till the new one arrived and they would still guarantee him the £20,000 !! What a time to be considering a new Toyota car purchase. Are Toyota and Lexus dealers the only people being so generous or are other manufacturers doing similar I wonder.

I'm wondering what has changed at the Lexus factory. My new ES was ordered on Tuesday the 26.10.21 verified by the dealer sending me a copy of the order that Lexus UK received. Took a call on the 12.11.21 from my dealer to say the car was now built, been through final quality control and has left the Factory in Toyota city Aichi Prefecture. The car is on it's way to the ship transporter and then on to Portbury in the UK. It came as a surprise that after only 18 days the car is about to drive up the ship's ramp given that I waited 6 months for my previous ES. So much for manufacturer shortages or is it that Toyota/Lexus are immune to supplier chain problems. My dealer now said January 2022 is more than likely to be the hand over month. As a foot note my friend owns a 2019 Toyota Prius and is considering a new Rav4 or CHR. He was told only 3 weeks ago he would be allowed £19,500 on his Prius if he ordered a new car. As he has only the one car he was concerned what the dealer would value the car in 4 months time which is the delivery time for a new Rav4. Yesterday the dealer rang him again and keen to get him signed up offered him £20,000 for the Prius and said he could hang on to the car till the new one arrived and they would still guarantee him the £20,000 !! What a time to be considering a new Toyota car purchase. Are Toyota and Lexus dealers the only people being so generous or are other manufacturers doing similar I wonder.

I can understand now why my Lexus dealer gave me £29,200 for my ES which was 26 months old and cost £38,500 in August 2019. I thought if I was offered around £26K I would be happy. It's about time that used cars are benefiting owners these days instead of getting ripped off with stupid trade in offers against new cars that were common place a couple of years back.

Forgot to add it took only a week for my dealer to sort out settling the outstanding finance on my pcp with Toyota Financial Services sending the acknowledgement directly to me that the agreement had been settled in full by Lexus Leeds. I was left with £9500 equity from my original ES which I left on account with the dealer and their contribution of £1500 made up the maximum deposit of £11,000. When you consider Toyota Financial Services (or Lexus Financial Services) gave £2,750 finance allowance as a repeat PCP customer it made so much sense to trade in my first ES now 12 months ahead of schedule.

Once again Lexus UK went the extra mile arising out of a simple question I asked as to why there is currently no digital brochure for the 2021/22 ES300h. I simply sent an enquiry on the Lexus UK website because the link to Lexus car brochures currently only lists the 2021/22 price list for ES. I did state I had ordered a car in my original message but was a bit disappointed that no digital brochure is available to download right now. About 2 days later a chap from Lexus rang me direct on my mobile and I repeated the fact I had ordered a new ES for 2022 but there was no digital brochure to download, only the price list. He explained it was coming but in the meantime would I like him to make up a brochure from the data and images they have and send it to me as a hard copy. To my surprise it arrived today and it was just like an old fashioned brochure of quality printed material with 42 pages in all in a spiral bound A4 booklet with clear front and back protective covers. Clearly been put together by hand and had all the technical data, trim, model ranges and prices in it, enough to satisfy anyone who wanted to view the current model variations in book form. Not so sure any other manufacturer would have bothered to do this. Top marks to Lexus for wanting to help.

Back in Feb 2019 I traded my 2012 GS450h in against the ES and handed over the car then to achieve the £16,000 trade in fig rather than in August when the car finally arrived. Same thing for me was to wait and use the wife's car when I needed it. I agree Tony that new 12 inch touch screen will be a nice to have although the control pad became easy to master over time. The luxury fitments on the 2019 car that are not Premium Edition fitments are, rear screen and rear door blinds, driver's seat extension, air cooled front seats, wood/leather steering wheel, wood trim and driver seat memory. I think that was all so no real hardship. Given I had a rear screen dash cam I never once pressed the rear screen blind as it would have hit the camera and never used the rear door blinds as no one ever travelled in the back. Never used the air cooled seats either. If I'm honest the only thing I would want in the new ES is the auto seat positioning when you get in and out of the car, that was useful. Had we not had a second car then I would have no option but to hand the car in next year but loose some money on the final value. The 18 inch wheels on the 2019 model were a nicer design I think. Keeping everything under the magic £40K saved that ridiculous extra £335 a year after the first year on top of the £170 which the new car will cost in road tax. A Takumi ES in the dealers showroom was very nice though and probably worth all the money or not.

Decided to trade in my Aug 2019 ES300h with velvet black paint and Topaz leather trim fitted with a Premium Pack. Chose an ES Premium Edition in Messa Red with Hazel Tahara Trim, delivery around end of March 2022. The dealer worked out everything and it cost me £800 to change after 26 months of flawless motoring. The dealer valued my car at £29,200 which I thought was a good price. Two other dealers offered £26K and £28K. My original ES was on a PCP over 42 months at £319 a month after I put down the maximum deposit of £11K. Apparently if you are a Toyota Finance customer the dealer can now add a loyalty allowance of a further £750 to the £2000 finance allowance that Lexus will give normally for new retail purchases on a PCP/Finance This resulted in a final PCP quote for me after deciding I wanted a shorter PCP period of 30 months but now I will have monthly payments of £208, again paying the maximum deposit of £11,028. I'm guessing these very strong used car values for 2 or 3 year old cars is influencing deals on new cars. Bear in mind the UK Lexus dealer network of 46 sites has only around 70 ES cars for sale with some dealers showing only one ES car for sale, others two or three thus proving the strong demand for Lexus approved ES's. I regret not having real leather but having seen what Taraha trim feels and looks like it is remarkably like leather so I'm ok with that. My 2019 Premium pack has a higher level of spec that a Premium Edition has but again nothing that I can't live without. I elected to give my car in now to the dealer to secure the £29,200 and will happily wait for the new one. My wife has a 2021 Toyota Yaris hybrid which is a lovely car and no hardship to use for a few months. The velvet black paint work on my first ES was very demanding despite a ceramic coating I laid down after I had the car a week. I'm hoping Messa Red will be more forgiving.

Gaby I would suggest the chances of stealing an ES without the key fob is pretty low but these security bars that pass through the steering wheel have a poor track record for ease of removal when locked. If anyone is really intent on taking your car it would have to be lifted on to the back of a trailer or towed away but even then if you double click your remote fob when locking it will activate the deadlocks in the doors so opening the doors will be impossible even if a window is smashed. Think about putting your key fob and your spare fob in one of those wallet type holders which shield the key fob from electronic scanning devises which professional thieves use now as they know without the keyfob they are snookered and have no chance of scanning your key's signal if it's in a security wallet. You can buy them on e bay for a few pounds.

I have a 2019 ES in black and can confirm both sides of the rear bumper don't quite line up with the quarter panel by slightly less than an 1/8th of an inch and both sides of the front bumper don't quite meet the front wings by about 1/16th of an inch. I think your colour might influence how it might jump out at you but I would say these small discrepancies are nothing out of the ordinary even if we are talking Lexus. Similar issue with very minor anomalies with my wife's brand new Toyota Yaris where the bumpers meet the sheet metal. There is no real adjustment possible as all four corners of the car have very hard rigid retaining brackets fitted to the vehicle's main structure and the plastic floppy bumper corners snap into these corresponding brackets a bit like male and female plus the remaining clips and bolts dotted all around the edges of the bumpers. Why not go back to the dealer's showroom and check not just ES cars but anything else sitting there and I'll bet there will be variations to one degree or another.

Standardisation is also in play on the ES. No matter what interior you choose and no matter model you choose the fascia is only ever going to be black. Again when it was first introduced in 2019 in the UK depending on your car model choice and if you chose certain leather finishes the fascia would be a different colour. EG an ES with tan leather would get a mixture of browns in the door cards and the main fascia, I think the very light ivory coloured leather got the same treatment. Anything else the fascia was black like most of the door card trim. Such is the cost control that manufacturers have to apply these days. I had semi analine leather in a Lexus LS460 a few years ago and it was sublime in it's quality which is now only a standard fit in the Takumi. In 2019 although you got leather in a Premium Pack it wasn't semi analine but the quality is still evident. This Tahara trim Lexus produce now certainly looks leather like and has the feel to the touch and probably last longer because of it's synthetic nature but there is nothing like Lexus leather when it comes to quality. Our eco warriors will be pleased though but as long as we eat meat there will always be leather but sometimes large companies change their policies on resources simply to meet the minority of consumers who challenge them on whatever they feel they need to complain about on any given day.

Might be a mute point but Lexus have been manipulating the spec on the ES to give customers the impression things have improved. I bought a 2019 ES with Premium pack and the pack cost a mere £3500 on top of the £35,350 entry base price. Worked for me because it was under 40K so that absurd massive tax increase for road tax for 5 years was eliminated. Back in 2019 the premium pack was really worth having and from memory the full leather interior, 18 inch wheels, heated and cooled seats, wood leather heated steering wheel, rear screen blind, mobile charging, triple headlamp with auto adaptive high beam, folding mirrors, blind spot monitor, privacy glass, rain sensing wipers made the spec really special. Seems to me though that the lack of leather alone in the latest ES premium edition and a number of other items might make a person think at £36,555 the new Premium edition is a good price compared to the £35,350 base price + £3,500 for the Premium Pack back in 2019. In other words you are not getting anything like the spec in 2021 even if the name Premium Edition is supposed to imply a Premium Edition is just like it was in 2019. The only options for a Premium Edition that I can see are metallic paint, a protection pack and illuminated scuff plates plus a total of 3 accessories. Today if Lexus fitted all the Premium Pack extras they fitted in 2019 then the current Lexus ES Premium Edition would not be so attractive price wise. Likely I think to be closer to £40K.

Brake lights remain on during brake hold with foot off the pedal.

Hugh, experienced the same thing, dealer said it was in need of a software upgrade to sort this out. It took about 20 mins and sorted the problem of one direction phone calls. Done under warranty of course. Steve

As stated before in this thread, it is clear other models of Lexus space saver wheels will fit the ES, e.g a GS300 or GS450h which have them as standard. The tapered wheel nut faces and corresponding wheel bolt hole face cause no issues and the steel space saver clears all the brake callipers. As long as the overall diameter of the space saver wheel and tyre wall are the same as the overall diameter of the standard alloy wheel incl tyre wall there is no problem. Likewise is someone says the overall circumference of the space saver should be the same or very near the same as the original wheels, there is no issue. The tyre wall on a space saver is deeper than the tyre wall on an original ES alloy wheel that's why the space saver wheel without it's tyre is usually a smaller diameter but the space saver tyre makes up the difference. I recall starting this thread some weeks ago when I posted photos of my GS300h space saver which was bought on ebay but didn't expect the post to still raise so many questions and/or comments. I'm guessing we would all have opted for a space saver as an option if Lexus didn't treat the UK as unworthy. If the cost of a space saver is more expensive than all the junk you get with those awful one use only tyre inflation kits it merely reinforces the fact that us poor Brits have been plundered by higher car prices in the UK than say the EU or the US and have done for decades. So if Lexus think they are doing us a favour by fitting an inflation kit to keep prices down or the weight down then that is a load of nonsense. Every car producer in the world that sells cars in the UK know full well we are the sacred cow and they charge far more in the UK than in other markets especially the US who just won't pay over inflated prices. Sure the US is Toyota's biggest market so they would say they can charge less but lets be honest here we get taken to the cleaners when we talk of new car prices. I'll get off my soap box now.

would be good to see how your tools fit etc, although I'm guessing your tyre inflation kit will not be able to be accommodated. You got there in the end. What a pity Lexus wouldn't offer a space saver to the UK yet the US get it standard as will some other destinations. If the argument was all about weight saving for us Brits and costs then I would argue the nett cost difference between the compressor, tyre inflation goo, the thicker foam tool tray is only marginally smaller than the a tyre, wheel rim and the thinner foam tool tray. At least a cost option for a space saver would have been nice to consider.

Yes the scissor jack was modified to take a bolt which allows the round steel disc to screw to.