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Dreaming of 300+ miles WLTP with access to Supercharger network…

I do infrequently fantasise about an RX (but never while driving my ES). However all things considered, I don't think there is anything to beat the comfort and economy of an ES in the current Lexus lineup. It is a very fine balance of everything.. a perfect 42. Cheers, --E

Hi, My ES is due for Year-1 servicing soon. I got the notification via email. I tried to book an appointment via the Lexus Link app. I noticed that Lexus are charging £15 for a loan car while booking for servicing via the app. For now I have booked a Collection & Delivery option on a weekend for which there is no charge somehow. What do the rest of the members recommend ? IIRC while I had the BMW they used to charge a small fee for a loan car too. Audi didn't charge for the loan car but they used to loan out a manual A1 😕 I have booked a Collection and Delivery but having second thoughts. Should I simply drop and pick it up myself ? What sort of cars do Lexus loan out usually ? Cheers, --E

Next time, tell them it is that long lost Bucaddi RS3.14

But... I think the test would be to turn it off completely, go indoors, have a cup of tea, come back out, get in the car again and try to drive in to the closed garage door ? That would/should replicate what was experienced earlier ie Silent denial. But, really... leave it be 🙂 --E

Hmm... this is what is in the manual.

That is so odd ! My guess is you have uncovered an untested edge case (pun intended). I have had my car apply brakes while reversing due to RCTA once and it is not a very pleasant experience. There is a visual warning in the dash which says BREAK! highlighted in red and it is quite an abrupt jolt tbh. I don't remember now clearly but it was beep accompanied as well. And of course, I am also not encouraging you to repeat your test please 🙂 Maybe speak to the dealer and they may be able to escalate this upwards ? Let me see if I can find something in the manual. -E

@Mincey Just curious, were the parking sensors beeping or was it just a silent denial to make any forward motion at all ? Thanks, --E

Thanks to @STE041 presenting that idea of turning up volume beyond what I think is reasonable 🙂 I thought it would be a waste of effort, but I turned up the volume into high 30s playing "Money for Nothing" (Dire Straits) and then "One of these Nights" (Eagles) via CarPlay. "Money for Nothing" is not labelled as lossless whereas the "One of these Nights" is embellished with "Hi-Res Lossless" and "Apple Digital Master". Previously, I have only ever turned the volume up to around 19. I was expecting muddling up of all sorts with the volume in high 30s. Instead, it was a full frontal onset of sound being experienced from my socks up to my head without any discernible muddling up 🙂 It was getting muddled up but nowhere even near enough to be fatiguing by any means. (And I have opened up Treble, Mid and Bass to pretty much max, Bass is one notch down from the other two) I have to say, if you are happy not experiencing sound from behind you (ie true surround) then the base Pioneer system is pretty darn good. HTH Cheers, --E

+1 to what @royoftherovers recommends I was able to get the ES for a four hour test drive. Try it out and see how it goes 🙂 The Pioneer stereo is not horrible but I recently discovered that while the car is moving the ANC (which cannot be turned off) interferes. That explains why it sounds noticeably better while the car is not moving. It is also quite a bit better than the standard 190 watt system in my previous Audi A6 but really not all that much worse than the Bose System I had in my Mazda6. Passing power is ample. Never felt short of power. Over 5000 miles I am now at 51mpg. (EDIT: This is mostly school runs, local in town use and maybe a bit of motorways. On the motorway I have seen 60mpg over 200 miles of typical motorway driving. It is surprisingly economical.) In the 2022 ES there is a touch screen and if you prefer using Apple Car play, it should be all good. Don't have experience with Spotify personally as I use Apple Music myself and I don't have the touch screen interface, but it is still totally OK, just a matter of getting used to it. HTH Cheers, --E

Yes, cornering lights as well.

Yes. Apple CarPlay will take over the entire screen.

Oh I see what you meant now. On the centre main display, the Nav remains as the main occupant of majority of the display. It is not possible to make the other two items larger. Also another minor niggle… when in traffic the front parking sensor activates, it only shows up in a pop up in the dashboard screen and not on the central display. Sometimes it is hard to see. EDIT : And that same “UX philosophy” carries over into the new Lexus screen, the Nav or Map is always there and there is no concept of a “home” screen as such. If you operate the system to access some other functionality or setting, then you always “come out back” to the Nav/Map display.

The ES is the opposite of snug. I am 178cm tall and my town driving setting is almost SUVish. Regarding the Nav screen, do you mean on the main central display or on the dashboard screen ? On the dashboard screen I also see the LSS taking priority for eg if you have DRCC speed set and a vehicle moves in in front of you, you will see the "notification" pop up and stay there for a good few seconds. Same with Lexus Nav, if you have a turn coming up, it will pop up and stick there for some time. RWD is really a hype I think. The Mazda6 I had was FWD and what a lovely sharp handling car that was. And the Germans don't even homologate their cars properly for UK market. Most of the gubbins stay protruding into the passenger space which in UK is actually driver's space ! I think these days even JLR products are conceived as Left Hand Drive. The worst offenders are Audi MLB platform cars. The engine points south, the drive shaft points north-east ! Works fine when the steering wheel is on the wrong side but I never sat comfortably in longitudinally mounted Right Hand Drive car 😞 When I got the ES, it was showing 28mpg on day one. I haven't reset it since (almost 5000 miles done) and now it is over 51mpg. In one instance it showed 100mpg for a school run in the Lexus app ! One reviewer on YouTube manually measured the boot to be around 550 litres. Not sure why Lexus underreport it. In US it is reported as 16.7 cu ft excluding the spare wheel well which is about 470 litres. In UK it is reported as 454 litres. It sure seems not all that much smaller compared to the 540 litres I remember from my A6. BTW on the topic of underreporting, Lexus UK report 0-62mph as 8.9s, which makes 0-60mph as about 8.3s whereas recently a reviewer in California measured 7.4s on 300h F-Sport ! I would just say in my experience... not a slow car at all. The tyre pressure display is hopeless 😞 . In my experience 37psi from the place I usually fill up air works best. On a long journey, 37psi measures around 2.8 bar which seems in line with 2.5 or 2.6 bar when measured cold as mentioned on the door sticker. Do you have a dial for heating in your ES F-Sport ? Most ESes (mine included) I have seen have a rocker switch next to the OLED temp display. The road speed limit is not 100% reliable ! The Auto light is enabled by a push button on the lights control stalk. That's how it came enabled on day one and I have never touched it since then. You should try the lights in an empty parking lot pointing at a wall. The beam pattern rises and then spreads out in wave like pattern. It is very cool to look at. The 2022 ES are equipped with Blade Scan I guess they will be different from current generation ES 3-Eye LEDs.

>it's a full 5m Well, not quite. It is 4975mm. That is about an inch short of full 5m. I guess that may or may not matter all that much when it is that long already. >it won't feel like the most responsive due to lack of torque Are you saying that for ES 300h OR your IS 300h ? Lexus do not publish the exact total system torque but most reports claim upwards of 300Nm total torque for the 2019 onwards ES300h setup. With two adults and two kids (not tested with luggage) I have not yet felt lack of torque. Haven't driven in three digits yet but high two digits are perfectly maintained. I have had the 165PS manual Mazda6 Sport Nav (2017) from brand new for about an year followed by an Audi A6 (2018) 2.0TDI and the torque on ES300h is more than adequate for the load we have for it. (Comparing with the 400Nm I got from the Audi A6) In fact, the 400Nm on the A6 was accompanied by turbo lag (no matter what VAG say about the low lag) and then the numb steering and the stiffened S-Line suspension made the whole thing feel like a caffeinated middle weight boxer trying (wrongly) to punch above its weight class. The best fuel consumption I ever saw on it was 65mpg after a very careful motorway run. The ES easily manages close to 60mpg on motorway without deliberate eco driving. In my experience the Mazda6 is one of THE nicest driving cars this side of a Porsche. Most other manufacturers do not know how to setup the EPS properly. (BMW included... I was shocked how dead the steering felt in comparison to my previous 2008 BMW 318i in the newer versions of 3 and 5 series) The ES though is very different and is way way better than that 2.0 TDI Audi A6 (for that matter most cars I have driven previously... except Porsche Cayman but that is a different argument) I would highly recommend the ES300h and the OP should get a test drive to make sure it matches up with their needs. HTH Cheers, --E

You can turn that off actually.

Hi, Are you trying this from within the Lexus app on your phone ? The Hybrid Coaching part has been working without troubles so far. The same information is also available when you login to My Lexus (I mean “your” My Lexus) but I mostly use the app now. I use it on an iPhone btw. HTH —E

This one ? https://lexuspartsdirect.co.uk/parts/car-care/lexus-250ml-screen-wash-top-up/ —E

Hi, Which washer fluid to top up with ? Will Prestone or Halfords be OK ? Checked on LPD and only available in 250ml bottles for the Lexus labelled concoction. Thanks, —E

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=murdered out Cheers, --E

I don't think on the ES you can fit a tow bar. Maybe on a Camry and definitely on a RAV4 but the ES structure is so significantly different from the Avalon/Camry that towing is "not permitted". Even the roof has extra structural reinforcement (on the hybrid which is the only choice in UK) to keep the body extra rigid. Reviewers be damned. It makes at least 300Nm of total system torque. Put it in ECO mode though and feel all the panic there is to be felt. The good thing is that even in Normal non-ECO mode, doing higher two digit speeds, it still manages 55mpg ! Takumi 18" wheels are the hollow circumference wheels which reduce noise. But, and this is subjective, Takumi spec is too much money for what it is. But I think in the current 2022 line up, going F-Sport + Takumi Pack is probably the best value for money. Base ES + Premium Pack still takes it into 40k+ territory and you don't get the Mark Levinson, Head-Up display or kick-sensor operated boot lid. With F-Sport + Takumi Pack you pretty much get all the goodies and leave out the ones which can be lived without eg real leather, ventilated seats. However you have to decide if you want 19" deep black "murder" wheels or not as there is no other option on F-Sport. HTH Cheers, --E

Now that has been seen. Just saying... don't even try and take a look at the gap between rear of the front door and front of the rear door near the bottom edge 🙂 Cheers, --E

I guess that the blind blocks the noise physically makes more sense. Otherwise it is a very sophisticated ANC system which projects the noise cancelling frequency to that very specific location when closing the blind activates ANC (for that specific location). Which doesn't make sense as to why would Lexus assume that people enjoy the mild rushing sound of wind while sun is warming up the top of their heads. --E

Yes. Noticed it straight way during the test drive and also on my own car. The sun blind has to be closed for that noise to go away. EDIT: And I guess that ANC thing in a way now explains why the audio sounds noticeably better when the car is stationary and rear windows are open a tiny bit.