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Not at all....just have some weird interests and need to get out! lol. Yes...it's gone off on a tangent. I'll behave now! 🤣

Yes that is strange. As I mentioned, the bumph for the 2023 model has it back up to 471 bhp (464 hp DIN). It's hard to imagine they too the GPF off...maybe they've retuned the engine around it.

And to confuse things further the Lexus website shows the latest RCF CO2 as 268 G/KM! They now quote 464 hp DIN rather than bhp. To convert you divide bhp by 1.0139 to arrive at the DIN value. So taking the original quoted 471 bhp: 471 ÷ 1.0139 = 464. So the power output has remained identical. DIN as I remember is a value added to take into account the extra load of the ancillaries (air con, alternator) to give a more realistic value for the engine installed. Perhaps they add a proportionate value for the load with CO2 now as well.🤔

The V5 for my GSF registered 3/8/2017 shows CO2 as 260 G/KM which is more than the old it would seem! Max net power is identical to the earlier models at 351 kW (which is 471 bhp). Pretty sure the power output remained the same throughout. US ones gsf and rcf were 4 bhp less at 467 bhp, but the newer IS500f has the same as UK engines (471 bhp).

I don't think GPF has any bearing on it...it's purely emmisions based and the post April 17 models pay all the emmisions tax the first year rather than it being factored in annually. I guess the rationale was to deter gas guzzlers from being bought new so you'd end up with fewer on the road. Consider someone buying new every couple of years and having to pay £2635 road tax every other year...it would certainly deter some from buying such a car.

Determined by the date registered. Before April 2017 the rate was based on emissions only at a life long rate. Between April 2017 and 2022, the emissions bit was paid for in the first year (ie. a whopping £2365 on the GSF) followed by a flat rate of £165 year 2 onwards. However, if the car retail price was more than £40k, you pay an additional £355 from year 2 to 6 (a total of £520). Once the car reaches 6 years old, it reverts to just the £165 flat rate….which means my GSF costs exactly the same as my wife’s 68 plate Renault Captor which is just 900cc and 90 bhp!! In other words, on post April 17 GSFs, the first owner pays up front for the high emissions penalty, whereas earlier models it is paid for spread over the lifetime of the car. This will likely disproportionately affect the value of many expensive gas guzzling cars in the future, ie pre vs post April 17 registered - £630 vs £165 tax (especially bearing in mind the later models will often have updates and upgrades). Incidentally I was totally unaware of any of this when I bought my GSF until I later saw the V5 which shows the date when the base rate only is applied, so was very pleasantly surprised.. As an example of the above, check out the tax rates under ‘running costs’ in the ads for a 2016 vs 2018 BMW M5. Ive no idea of changes made in 2022 btw. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210110635230?sort=relevance&include-delivery-option=on&make=BMW&model=M5&advertising-location=at_cars&year-to=2016&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&radius=1500&year-from=2016&postcode=pe27de&page=1&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211081485177?include-delivery-option=on&sort=year-asc&make=BMW&model=M5&year-to=2018&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&year-from=2016&radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=pe27de&page=1&journey=PROMOTED_LISTING_JOURNEY&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true

Having a late (Aug) 2017 it is now even more compelling to hang onto it. Just renewed road tax for February and it was just £342 for the 12 months. The rate from August (when it becomes 6 years old) is just £165 per annum which is £55 cheaper than my Honda civic run around!

Best of both worlds! 😉

I have a late 2017 GSF and the suspension is great. Firm suspension gives great cornering ability but is not at all harsh ...surprisingly comfortable for a car with such handling and of course having AVS it is softer in the non sports modes. I have a 2007 Honda Civic executive I use as a runabout...now that is a harsh and uncomfortable ride!!! There is a big difference between firm and harsh.

Mi I've no experience of it. Although tempting, I'd have concern about effects on the likes of gear changing from a wear and tear point of view.... particularly throttle blipping for down changes....because of the engine ECU anticipating throttle response for efficient shifting/rev matching through engine speed synchronization. There's also the traction control system which could be affected adversely, which I think may have been evident in the clip. It's probably fine and any issues would likely be many miles down the road, but I personally wouldn't take the chance (but then I always tend to play safe...I never get my bikes chipped for the same reason) especially when there is no actual power gain in this case. Another thought is that perhaps the Lexus throttle mapping deliberately dull the throttle response off the line and at lower speeds/gears to avoid the instant wheelspin that was happening in the video. This looks like it could actually hurt rather than help acceleration.

It'll be interesting to see the replies as I'm in Peterborough and not much difference between Leicester and Cambridge distance wise. Always used Cambridge since buying my RX there in 2016 (GSF serviced there for almost 3 years). I visited Leicester when buying RX - somehow felt more comfortable with Cambridge (can't really put my finger on it).

Every 20k miles or 2 years for my GSF. I was surprised at frequency - it could be down to the torque vectoring diff fitted as standard on the GSF.

Sone of their previous asking prices were probably unachievable even a while ago. Even 40k, is still almost 60% of its retained value which would have been virtually unheard of on a 6 year old car - especially in that price bracket. I only paid 35k for my 2017 late almost 3 years ago in Jan 2020 (albeit from an independent) - I resigned myself to colossal depreciation, but I'd likely not lose anywhere near what I anywhere near what I anticipated if I moved it on at this moment in time.

That's impressive they did it with no extra charge. I got the diff oil changed alone and that was priced at £140, so you done really well there. I was also quoted £800 for 6 year/60k mile service, but have it included in a 3 year service plan.

Thanks Rob...as you suggest, I will insist the dealer does it with the major (6 year) service in August. Do you remember the cost by the way? I watched the car care nut videos....he explains the process vary well. It looks pretty straightforward and at one time I'd have done it myself, but I don't have thevtime or inclination anymore!

Can you keep me posted? Mine isn't due its next (6 year) service till August. Thanks 😉

Must be a common trait. My gsf seats don't get anywhere near as hot as my daughters Kia Venga on its low setting! The air con feature isn't great either.

Although the transmission oil of a gsf etc, is meant to last 'for life' many 'in the know' recommend changing it periodically as the definition of 'for life' is not to be interpreted literally (i.e. manufacturers only consider an upper mileage age limit on the life expectancy of their vehicles that is often considerably lower than they tend to remain in use in practice). It seems that it may be prudent to do a transmission at 6 years or 60k miles - 2017 GSF will be 6 years old next year. Has anyone had their 'sealed' transmission oil changed at a dealer - I'm wondering whether they will do this when it is not a scheduled service item?

When I first bought my car almost 3 years with under 20k miles, there was some squealing at low speed, but that stopped and has not returned in thec15k miles I've done since then. One of the reasons I'm reluctant to change the pads despite being told at the last two services they were getting low.

Thanks....interesting stuff. I didn't realise that higher speed (75+) was also factored in. The marrix system on the gsf I think works great...way better than just having auto dip I had on the 2016 RX450H I had. In fact the only criticism I have of the gsf is the auto dip below 40mph...there are times I'd much maintain the main beam at below 40 mph. I'm now pretty sure that the cycling of the blue main beam light is down to all matrix lights dipping when all areas are sensed as needing shadowing, ie in very high density traffic...until recently Id not really used auto in those conditions which is probablywhy it caught my eye.

With just 74k miles in 2019. If looked after it should last longer than that. Could maybe have been written off in a crash and scrapped?

Yes...on GSF the auto main/dip only works with the stalk in the main beam position. See reply I've just made to Hockey as giving it more thought, I think it might be doing what it should but I've never really used the feature on busy motorways before. On the GSF I'm pretty sure you can adjust the sensitivity....is that not possible on yours? thanks for response.

Yes that's what's happening. It could be that I don't often use it on motorway when very busy - thinking about it more, what's probably happening is that the blue light only goes it when all lights have dipped. On single carraige way roads it almost always keeps at least one of them on main beam, so you rarely see the blue light go out. A couple if times lately I've just tried leaving it in auto wuth main beam selected on the A1...each time I've noticed the cycling its been really busy. When back on single carriageway roads its dipping just some of the headlights as required and the blue light stays constantly lit as it's always done. Have you noticed this behaviour too? Thanks

When using auto headlights on my 2017 GSF, I've recently noticed the blue main beam line periodically cycles on/off. The headlamps themselves seem to be functioning normally in auto mode. It seems to occur on busy motorways/dial carriageways. I've had the car almost 3 years and haven't noticed this till very recently. Does anyone know whether this is normal? Thanks