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8 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

It has nothing to do with driver "reasonable consideration" - 

It has everything to do with it and the law recognises it. You really should try studying the Road Traffic Act and the Highway code Linas. I actually forget how many times I've reminded you of this. As a motorist you should drive to the conditions, not what you 'think' the conditions should be Instead of going off on a tangent and blaming everyone because you were slowed by 45 seconds when getting to work for example. 

I would give the same advice to every road user including cyclists, tractor drivers, horse riders, BMW , Audi and last of all Lexus drivers 😉..who are course the decent type.

Someone mentioned group rides, agree they can be a pain but lets be honest it's probably once a week and I would expect them to afford the same courtesy as I do to motorists. However in the big scheme of things 99% of the population would never even come across them. 

Toodlepip..clearly its gone off topic..

22 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

Result of this flawed idea is cyclist causalities... and they are not cause by drivers, they caused by flawed concept, flawed idea and as result flawed infrastructure. 

 

If you are incapable of driving a car without reasonable consideration for other road users you really shouldn't be driving. 

That is the law, no ifs, no buts and is totally down to you as the driver of a 1 or 2 ton vehicle capable of causing massive harm .Your manner of driving and acceptance of the road conditions and the hazards you may encounter are absolutely essential.

I've never seen 'flawed concept or flawed idea' put down as the cause of death of a cyclist / Horse rider or pedestrian. 

You should treat every corner as if there's an obstruction on the other side, hence the poster above referring to Police driver training and 'limit point's' . If a road is deemed unsafe for cyclists then they are banned, if not then expect a cyclist to possibly be there or anything else like a broken down vehicle, a tractor or any myriad of things. 

46 minutes ago, royoftherovers said:

History reveals.....

Hilarious

42 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

Unless somebody maybe needs to get to work, or go to buy some food, or reach customer at set-time on the set day. For pleasure sure if one can avoid each other is nicer for both cyclists and motorists, but I am not sure why cyclist feel entitled to deny public road to the public and even be smug about it? 

Somebody sent me this meme and I think it illustrates the situation quite well (who have not seen the movie Captain Phillips may not understand):

Many motorists been wiped out by cyclists lately ? The last thing a cyclist feels is 'smug', more than anything they just want to avoid impatient angry motorists. A road is designed for many road users not just you. 

45 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

I think you meant to say - cycling loving, car hating public... but on the rest you are correct, infrastructure is terrible (for both cars and cyclist to be fair) and goverment just allows for cyclist and motorists to fight out for whatever pieces of straight road there are. 

 

I was correct on the cycle hating UK public. You are getting confused with car hating Councils that fuel the fire for the bicycle hating public. 

This is based on cycling more miles in the UK than I drive and in direct comparison with the many EU countries I cycle. The average (not all) UK motorist who comes up behind a cyclist either won't know what to do and get flustered / frustrated or simply see a cyclist and think 'I must get by them' and to hell with the consequences. For sure lack of Infrastructure is a big thing but a bicycle is still a vehicle and has every right to be on a road even if a crappy cycle path is still present. 

'Lycra lout' is a UK generic term for anyone on two wheels wearing a comfortable item of clothing . Easy to say and accuse when sat in a 1.5 ton steel cage with multiple airbags. 

35 minutes ago, -Error- said:

With regards to cycling. I merely suggested that it's the green solution. On a global scale. It would also solve a lot health issues many are struggling with these days.

I sometimes cycle to work quoting the very reasons you listed, my job is mobile and sometimes allows me to take a bike and cycle from hotel to place of work, but at the beginning and end of the week I still make a 200mile journey home. Public transport is a no go work wise but I'll happily take the bus/train on the weekend. I have also reduced meat from my diet to around 2% in order to do my bit as David Attenborough told me to. I know it's nothing but if I don't do it and then brag about it then nobody else will, but if it becomes dialogue then more people tackle this subject and maybe we'll see a shift in years to come. I'll open a can of worms with this but I'm enjoying the conversation so hey ho.

Totally agree about cycling. It really is part of the future along with a suitable public transport system (we can only hope). So in that respect the Netherlands lead the way with Germany / Denmark following, the health benefits of course are fantastic. The issue in the UK is that we have a cycle hating, car loving public with historically poor cycling infrastructure. In our area as soon as any cycle scheme is announced it gets trashed in the press by the same people moaning about the amount of traffic on the roads, you really couldn't make it up.

Regarding EV's the Government stand to lose billions in fuel tax so the criticism further up from a previous poster may be a case of catch 22. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Something needs to change but people historically don't like change.  The meat thing is also interesting, I'm not a great red meat eater but the message is certainly getting out there. 

6 hours ago, Linas.P said:

EU as well have legislation that every car has to drive with headlights on 24/7, which is amazing idea and for this reason it is so much easier and safer to drive in Continental Europe compared to UK - you can clearly see all the cars from far away, because headlight makes cars many times more visible, especially dark grey ones in the gloomy November afternoon.

 

I think you're getting mixed up. The EU came out with a directive that all cars produced since 2011 should have daytime running lights fitted. There is however no legislation or law that headlights (or even DLR's) have to be used 24/7 unless under certain circumstances like bad visibility or the hours of darkness, thats for most EU countries and the UK.

In relation to road deaths, the UK is the second safest country in Europe behind Sweden, which is pleasing to know.   

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/uk-roads-revealed-to-be-second-safest-in-europe/

1 hour ago, LordByronUK said:

- BMW 330e (image issues and just not reliable enough) Used one a big risk!! Customer service?

 

Image Issue ? I'm all over the F30 and G series forums and these things are very reliable and certainly not a big risk. I think they look great. 

I've had far better customer service from my BMW dealer than my Lexus dealer(s) but appreciate others have had different. I'm coming up to three years ownership in a B58 3 series and I had one issue, it happened at the same time a guy on here had the same problem with his LC500...a misted headlight..they were probably made in the same factory. 

If you're buying new reliability really isn't an issue, even beyond three years the warranty is very good value should issues arise. 

Its funny you say fridges as I was thinking washing machines. I mean they're electric as well but with more moving parts. In the world of domestic appliances there are certain brands that are known for reliability, Miele for example. I think current standards will remain in the motor Industry with Lexus leading the way in overall reliability. Talking of EV reliability there have been some horror stories in that regard. Tesla for example, someone posted their car had broken down a dozen times. Kia currently have an issue with their EV's catching fire when charging and Audi have had major problems. 

I've test driven a few EV's and they still rattle and roll, road noise / wind noise etc and were noisier than my straight six. That said the talk is also that many people are jumping straight to EV instead of hybrid and this is where Lexus need to catch up across the range. I still think they'll retain the No 1 spot if people actually have a decent Lexus EV range to choose from, with decent tech / Infotainment as the latter is the way things are going.   

On 4/5/2021 at 10:59 PM, toffee_pie said:

German cars is done to the death on many forums, the fact of the matter is they are putting profit before quality - BMW are churning out about 40 types of cars now it seems everything from 1 series to  8 series and M/////Power variants and everything in-between with grills exponentially increasing in size, so quality control has nose dived big time but profits are up and that is all they care about at the end of the day. BMWs also seem to be driven by morons, a recent tragic news incident just another episode

I wouldn't touch a BMW with a barge pole, give me a 300k mile LS460 it will get me to Mongolia in comfort without breaking down, a BMW wont

I would take a ISF over any performance BMW also, I know it wont be draining my bank balance

I've touched a few BMW's with a barge pole and currently have one that Toyota borrowed the engine from to stick in their most prestige sporty motor (and I don't mean the Yaris GR )...........fancy that 

That doesn't make me a moron btw, more you for such a sweeping statement.

Reads thread, shakes head ...again

All the best with the car @gtanny I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I've owned a Mk 3 IS (and a Mk1 for many years) and they're lovely cars and they do turn heads, even now. Mine was the pure petrol version which has a big following in the US, was a fantastic unit but discontinued here due to the usual emissions stuff so the hybrid was always going to be top dog. You only have to go back through the forum as far as 2013 to see what a solid, reliable car you've purchased...best of luck. 

8 hours ago, Legendliving said:

I agree about the optimistic pricing. On the other hand last week there was a higher mileage white RCF that was on for about a week with a slight price drop during from about £25k to £24k and it’s now gone presumed sold.

That's been the only semi realistic price I've seen for months so no real surprise it went. Some of the others have been hanging around for an awfully long time so its dealers tapping into the V8 or bust scenario (or just being greedy as mentioned) . I'd find it hard to move on a car that was selling for a similar price 24 months ago as many of the current offering are.  

Meanwhile the opposition move on.   

17 hours ago, Gsf grey solihull said:

That’s fantastic price the best price I got was Lexus insurance I’m paying £990 with full clean 20yrs protected ncbonus,age 48. Can I ask which company you are with????.thanks 

I can't help but think its where you live that has a massive bearing on Insurance. I'm a little older than you with the same NCB and I was quoted £217 for a 17 plate RCF I nearly purchased recently. Winding voluntary excess to zero its £277. Cheaper than my 6 pot bimmer.  I believe (or at least I know) I'm in a low risk area.  

15 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

I know multiple countries where they would have ripped the gate out, ripped all the garages out and then charged the landlord the fee for the work of removing all the locks and gates - as a lesson to check more carefully next time to whom he rents the units.

 

Sure you do 

Few of your mythical countries would have responded to some random bloke with a tracking wand ringing the police and claiming a stolen vehicle 'might' be somewhere 'over there..in that yard and beyond that gate' ....and in one of those units but we have no idea which one. 

I know this for a fact as we did overseas stuff.

That said , this is the beauty of the UK...we do it properly. I'm pretty damned sure if you rented one of those units and the doors were ripped off and the premises searched, your stuff turned upside down you'd be wanting answers....hopefully not on here. 

21 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

You rarely see country where company tracks stolen car to exact location within 10 meters, 3 police vans comes to the place with dozen of officers, then summons police helicopter and then simply drives-off. 

 

It wasn't the exact location. It was a large complex with a number of independent units. Access was denied by one large gate. The trackers had no idea what unit the car was in until they gained access into the communal yard the following day.

You think they drove off for a tea break ? The video explained why a warrant wasn't obtained, naturally that guy on the video was hacked off as he wanted to placate a customer and get some kudos for his company.  

As for you speeding rants...don't speed..end of.

People who break into or steal cars rarely do it as a one off (the theft of high value vehicles tend to be organised crime but not always). So they can get custodial sentences dependant on their history of offending.

The UK police are not 'dysfunctional'.  

Just do what anyone else does, I've visited far worse places than the UK for policing and crime (many of these in the EU) so make appropriate, common sense crime prevention measures as discussed in this thread.   

The laws are perfectly adequate . We have an offence of handling stolen goods that covers some of your criteria, it actually carries a sentence of 14 years, theft is only 7. Then we have TWOC and so on.

If its impossible to prosecute car thieves then I must have wasted a career locking them up 

If you can't see the link between lack of resources, crime figures and priorities then I can't help you. Low Police numbers are everyones concern.

10 hours ago, m4rkw said:

I think the police are much more likely to respond quickly and favourably if the crime is actively in progress, this is why I've designed the tracker in my car to alert me as quickly as possible. If the ignition is turned on during the hours I'm normally asleep it sends a shrill alarm to my iphone which overrides DnD mode, so if what happened to the OP happened to me I would know almost immediately. I also then have a simple short url I can give to the police which shows a google maps link with details about the car (registration, colour etc) and show's where it is and where it's heading in near-realtime (updates approx every 12s).

I think a call saying "my car is being stolen right now, it's on this street heading towards this street" would likely get their attention.

All that said, it's still better to try to stop it being stolen in the first place.

Exactly this. Any call about a car being stolen there or then would be acted upon but only ** if there were units available**. People have little idea about how absolutely run off their feet the Police are nowadays. Police numbers have been decimated and with them went plenty of specialist departments that would ordinarily deal with this sort of thing.

All calls are graded and looking at GMP's  Incident response policy for example, a crime in progress will instigate an emergency response, so yes you will get a response if your car is being stolen. The next level down is a priority response which means attendance within an hour. So if a stolen vehicle was located and there was a risk of it going missing again Police will attend, again dependant on resources.   

Many expensive vehicles that are stolen are presumed to have trackers by crooks. As a result they are often driven away and parked up somewhere, the presumption by those stealing the car is that if it does have a tracker it will be recovered by Police within a few hours. If its not recovered they will pop back and take it away again. 'Tracker' the company are excellent, they used to equip Police vehicles with software to track stolen vehicles and plant, as stated most of it was recovered intact parked up whilst they played a waiting game so would recommend them. 

Some videos have been posted above. As someone who spent the best part of a decade involved in asset tracking, the frustrations are there to see. However expecting Police to rock up without any prior consultation , drop everything, get multiple search warrants for numerous premises (in one vid they had no idea what unit it was in until access was gained via a side gate the next day) is stretching things . Its extremely labour intensive and rarely going to happen at a drop of a hat especially when you look at graded response criteria. There are numerous others issues at play here and without any idea of the process involved in obtaining warrants, the staff required, the risk assessments,  plus the paperwork involved in RIPA if you required observations on the premises for example (quite often used to be the case ) then its easy for people to scoff and fully understandable why it rarely goes to plan.  

I agree with the visible deterrent like a crook lock or similar, I would go as far as having some kind of 'This vehicle is protected by a tracker' type sticker on the vehicle and if it was over a certain price point then certainly a tracker from a named company or otherwise with a facility that you're using so you know its on the move. 

10 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

Well, you specifically mentioned me, so I felt like I need to respond to it... there is not reaction to it or offence, I was just surprised that you felt a need to rant about it. 

Me keeping thing to myself - sorry, that is not going to happen, that is the way I am. If I love it will tell that I love it, if I hate it then I tell that I hate it. If somebody gets offended - that is their problem.

@dutchie01 and your point is? Yes sometimes I have discussion for a sake of it and I tend to discuss off-topic. 

Such aggression. Its always Interesting to read why people move on and more importantly what they move into. I can remember the excitement on here when the IS300h first came out. Personally I wouldn't dream of criticising their choice when changing, that isn't the point of the thread but saying his new car looks 'a real mess' , criticise his comment about toys then go on a rant about why it doesn't compare to the IS300h anyway is crass, pure and simple. 

Clearly you're offended at me pointing out your poor manners and are now accusing me of 'liking to take offence'. That's a hell of a reaction to some 'random person on the Internet'. 

As I said its bad manners, try it elsewhere and you'd have more than me in your ear. 

ps read my post...I didn't say "first post"...simply that I've hardly posted. 

16 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

but just because you like to take offence out of anything and this was good excuse to do so.

Yes mate, I'm the one routinely taking offence out of anything  I've hardly posted in months but please point me towards any posts that have done just that...then apologise.  

11 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

What is your issue? If you post the picture and say you love the looks, it is not unreasonable to expect that there are someone who don't.

I didn't say it is a bad car or bad choice, just said that I personally don't like the looks of it - I don't need to pretend it like it if I don't... right?! I know that many people hate how newer Lexus looks - RC for example... like recently one well known youtuber compared it to crasher IS-F and said that RC-F "had an accident from a factory"... and that is fine - "beauty is in the eye of beholder".

I understand such bickering by teenagers on social media where everyone are by default in "snowflake mode" nowadays, and all the comments are allowed as long as they are positive, but it seems that most of us are grown-up man here... so it is strange to see such sensitivity when someone has different opinion.

btw, my post is not directed at OP, as he didn't have issue with my opinion (yet). 

There are basic manners when someone posts a new car thread. If you felt the need to criticise (and you are continuing to do just that) perhaps you should have kept your thoughts to yourself. Just saying like. 

Remind me never to post a pic of what I move onto so Linas can rip it a new one.

Sod it, too late happened in 2018. Vince enjoy your beast, makes my 340i look last generation (yeah I get it is ). That Stinger is a lovely looking car, goes like stink, great value and a seven year warranty - what's not to like . 

Parting company I see ? Best of luck with the sale.

9 hours ago, AJ500 said:

@V8ORBUST

Floor mats.

I am told anything over 11% was only achievable when first lockdown ended and BMW were giving the dealers an extra margin to shift stock.Stock is very thin at the moment.I dont accept these figures but need to find another car to actually haggle over. Our 140 has proven even more popular since it stopped production and so far the bids on it are pretty good.

As this is our second car I must stay below the £40 k and that means a pretty basic spec.Thats OK as its very good anyway. 
We are used to the brilliant i drive but I have no complaints over my LC system.Apple carplay etc is of no interest to me.The Lexus Mark Levinson is very good as is the HK in the BMs we have had.

Let us know how it goes when you can get some miles on.

A J.

Worth going pre reg ? Quite a few on BMW AUC from early £31k with little or no miles and they have some wiggle room on top .

The best PCP I can find is £403 down, £403 a month 2.9% APR I believe its BMW Park lane and the Emergency services offer. Don't worry about eligibility, they are very, very loose on it according to those taking advantage on the BMW forums. 

https://www.bmw-ukforces.co.uk/pcp-cars/bmw/1-series-hatchback/m135-xdrive-hatch-5dr-2.0-i-306ps-5dr-auto-start-stop-278299-4119