noby76

even two services a year at £225 for visual check and oil change is still rip off but hey dealers are there to make money not a charity so i do understand.. ☺️

Aint it funny how car magazine reviewers will tell you a BMW, Merc and Audi wins in tests, build quality and all driving aspects but then once the dust settles and real world owners are surveyed on these brands Lexus crops up the winner? not disputing the fact German cars are fine and in some aspects, very well built machines and certainly does tick boxes but results like these lets you see the biased contrast that's out there when you ask a car mag reviewer against an owner who has had to live with the car for a while.. not all Lexus cars are perfect but are close enough to always win majority owner surveys both here and in the US year on year...

Linas i did not even bother reading all above but you had to say but one thing i would like to say is, a true petrol head knows which cars are for petrol heads and which ones are not and they do not need AI data in order to distinguish the difference.. now i'm not the one to say i know all when it comes to cars... but i can defialtely tell you a Lexus ES300H does not "fall" in to the category of a petrol heads car for sure.. and if you are expecting it be you will be very disappointed... now this does not make it a bad car per say it just fits perfectly into a market segment lexus is targeting which it fits perfectly based on its attributes..

They miss the target when they apply 'petrolhead values' emphasise on a vehicle like ES300h which is not and isn't pretending to be a high performance car.. if one wants a lovely sounding 4 cylinder, a 4 cylindr diesel or 4 cylinder petrol revving less than 6500rpm wouldnt cut it anyway.. 7000rpm and up that's when you talking.. so why apply these 'petrolhead values' emphasise on an ES300h when its far from one is beyond me..

And this was the point i made either a few threads up or in another thread about when it comes to "Real World" driving and road conditions, Lexus cars are setup and designed to handle majority of those conditions in terms of noise vibration harshness (NVH) when compared to other competitors.. but yet still a UK/European magazine reviewer will bash the ES300h claiming its noisy under full wide open throttle acceleration which lets be honest is about 10% or less in anyone's day to day driving 80 to 90% of normal driving is spent within city urban areas with speed limits or cruising on the motorway in a fuel saving gear ratio .. tell me which 2.0 litre 4 cylinder engines from any of these German brands is not noisier and sounds agricultural under acceleration? they fail to absorb the benefits of the hybrid system which makes sense in city/ urban style driving . majority of most people driving around in diesel cars are not even motorway drivers where one actually reaps the benefits of a diesel engine...

And he keeps forgetting the fact that not everyone wants to be seen in a BMW, Merc, or Audi some people just want something different from these three..

That's still a rip off considering it works out just over £450 a year.. £450 is an expensive oil/filter change and visual check considering it does not include changing your brakes and Tyres if they are worn as those will be extra charge if needed.

for anyone wondering where to find the tyre selection switch this is located underneath the passenger side dashboard on the right hand side..

hi Sami where can this be located? i read its in the glove box but i still cannot located it. any chance of taking a pic of the location for us? Thanks

you know when a new music comes on the radio and you hate the guts of it but they keep on playing it over and over day in day out until you start knowing the words and start humming to it. same way with the 2.5 4 cylinder hybrid engine + eCVT combination... it will keep getting slated and slated by reviewers day in day out until you actually think there is something wrong with it and the way it drives... someone please tell me a 4 cylinder diesel engine is never noisy under WOT acceleration?

thought this might be useful.

i believe the mpg computer auto resets after every refuelling so i don't bother manually resetting it.. to clarify i filled up on my lunch break and the 20 mile trip was after work not sure if being almost 20 degrees outside helped.. or possibly the fuel type..

who needs a tesla!!

so after a quick refuelling and a 20 mile motorway commute between Bedfordshire to Buckinghamshire below is the MPG readout. my speed was alternating between 55-65 mph. this is outstanding considering its a 3 litre V6 non hybrid/ non Diesel. if i carried on the journey for longer i wouldn't be surprised if its capable of returning over 50MPG...quite impressive.. any GS300 owner beat this mpg?

hmmm i wonder why the north american reviewers and the UK/europe reviewers have a very contrasting view when it comes to Lexus cars... i wonder why... i must say the interior in the ES @wynants posted looks very nice...

Clearly someone hasn't looked in the mirror yet.. 😂

There is already an RC available which does that.. Hi class, can anyone else name it for me since someone is not paying attention.. and will get marked down again!

so end the pointless and needless attack on IS300h, RC300h and ES300h models if you are NOT intending on buying one anyway... others on here have found them more than adequate for their needs in an automobile...

blah, blah, blah, blah Yawn.... GET THE RC-F THEN!!!! oh let me guess... its too expensive for you to run...oh and RC350 is too expensive for you to import from Japan.. as i said before guys this is a 'disorder' .. as its no longer making any sense..

so we can all ascertain money being an object is what's preventing you.... why couldn't you come out and say it all along?? car loans can acquired easily if you have good credit for a car import so leasing through Lexus dealer is not the only option available... heck if you really want to take this far why don't you draft an official letter to Lexus GB outlining your interest to have a 3.5 V6 RC make it known you have the funds to finance it regardless of cost to import one into the UK for you and so long as you are willing to spend regardless of the cost to get it to you from Japan i don't think thy would turn you down... you certainly are not achieving anything here on a forum by spending endless hours of your life typing away on how you hate a 4 cylinder... it takes a clued up person to realise this.

there are still a MK3 IS250, MK4 GS250 and MK4 GS450h still with V6 engines on the car market with power ranging from 205bhp to 290/340bhp in the hybrid. for between £28k to £35k one can import an RC350 from Japan so the options are every where but someone still feels the need to keep crying about a 4 cylinder hybrid.. how many times has it been repeated in various threads, if the 4 cylinder is distasteful, surely one can get the other models with the V6 engines or move onto another manufacturer who has an engine power one fancies... this shouldn't be rocket science for any one to work out?? am i the only one who thinks this is now beginning to sound like a 'disorder'!!

this is a subjective claim as it wasn't my experience in some modern BMW, Audis and Mercs taxis i have rode in.. so we cannot go by your claim but what we can all go by is a petrol engine produces lesser vibration and thus more quieter than a similar diesel engine.. no one is disagreeing the advance tech which has closed the noise gap between the two but petrol wins. how can this not be true? what will Lexus gain by over estimating the ES's bhp figure? of course a diesel with 240 bhp will perform better but a diesel with 215bhp not so much.. we all know diesels produce ample torque at lower rpm which gives that quick feeling but then drops off as rpm climbs where as NA petrol comes alive at higher rpm this is just engine characteristics. this is all subjective as your point made on 3 was his point of view. i think a lot of people confuse initial torque delivery of diesels to mean quicker lets not forget a petrol's power delivery is very linear more so in a Lexus where you dont feel the sensation of speed until you look on the speedometer. until in gear acceleration has been tested between all four cars then we wouldn't for sure know how slow the Lexus actually is. as i said initial torque surge in diesels could give a false feeling of speed. your point made on 4 is a bit off.. why is 215 bhp not acceptable in 2019? 10 -15 years ago there were cars on the road running 300, 400 and 500 bhp's but yet still 215bhp could be found in 2.5 to 3 litre 6 cylinder premium cars. if 215 bhp were acceptable in 6 cylinder cars then even though those same manufactures had other models pushing higher horse numbers why is it not acceptable now? by whos standards is 215bhp not acceptable as again its a subjective claim based on the individual and the type of performance they are or have been used to..

funny how the decision was pretty much already made based on how the cars had been arranged within a few seconds into the video... the German cars were all noisy 2 litre 4 cylinder Diesel engines but yet still he claims the 2.5 petrol 4 cylinder in the Lexus is NOISIER under acceleration ...since when is Diesel engine quieter than petrol engine counterpart?? i mean the engine alone in the ES makes 180bhp 220 NM torque without the battery both combined is 215bhp but yet still he claims its slow under moving acceleration.. weird how he makes it sound as if the Lexus is a 50 bhp car.. regardless of how one looks at it 215 bhp will deliver acceptable performance for daily driving most people not used to very high performance cars will need.. considering this performance figure would have been found in 6 cylinder 2.5 to 3 litre cars 5 to 10 years ago which is not that long... someone in the know can tell the 0 to 60 times and top end times in the ES has been purposely detuned to achieve good MPG, lower road tax and lower car insurance...

even that gets beaten after a certain speed is reached... there is always a quicker faster car on the road.. but those P100D are insane for take off straight line speed..

i think you got it spot on... Lexus pitches Luxury first in terms of how the car rides and sounds before out and out performance.. its not like parent company Toyota does not have the know how to build a raw sports sedan.. but that's not the primary philosophy of the Lexus brand.. its nature is to go about its business on the road in a smooth nature with the 3 kept to a minimum i.e Noise Vibration and harshness and i think most compare it with an M sport 3 series BMW and expect it to deliver the same driving feel.. BMW's and Audi's are performance first luxury second and Lexus the other way round. Yes they are all categorised as premium/Luxury brands but are built slightly different in terms of philosophy... to be honest i think Lexus builds premium cars and set it up to the level they know most people will enjoy spending time in up to 90% of the time in terms of Noise, vibration, harshness... the occasional blast and mind blowing handling of a BMW is impressive around corners but how many times does one subject this type of driving to their daily day to day driving to warrant a permanent harsh ride?? Lexus wins in NVH and a drive setup which makes sense for 'real world' daily driving if you ask me...