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1 minute ago, serbarry said:

Am I offended because Lina's criticises Lexus? No. And indeed I don't care about Lina's criticism towards lexus models, but you do. You are bothered. 

3 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

I am copping with you perfectly well. I have no issues with your opinion - it wasn't me coming out of blue, not contributing anything to the tread just to say that you are stupid and childish and have to leave LOC. Was I?

My response was evoked by the fact you simply have no balanced arguments. All negatives all the time. Atleast the forum would be more enjoyable if you said something vaguely balanced rather than constant negative drivel

Just now, Linas.P said:

And will be on threads for many more years, so you will have to find the way to cope with it... that is just reality.

And you do you, if you don't want to discuss cars, don't discuss them, if you don't want to offend others don't offend them, be as careful as you want - it is up to you. 

I have given my opinion, somebody said contrary to that and we are discussing it, don't be butt hurt baby... if anything it seems you are more hurt than most ES owners here.

And you'll have to cope with me. 

I disagree with your opinions, I believe most of the time they're rubbish, unhelpful and I'll call you up on them. Again, you can't stop me from doing that either. 

1 minute ago, serbarry said:

Are you Mr Lexus? Do you own the Lexus brand and Lina's is offending your products? You are taking it too personal. Relax. It's just one negative voice out of many positive ones. Why do you care?

There's nothing personal here. I could ask you the same thing, why do you care?

1 minute ago, Linas.P said:

Actual owners means nothing, how many times we have to repeat this! If you have own the car and love it - more power to you, but you can't shut other people-up who have different opinion.

You have to calm down, stop attacking random people and calling everyone stupid - you are the only one out of order here!

 

Who's been shut up. You've been going on here for a few years haven't you?

I don't own a BMW 5er or an ES. But I don't go around saying my expertise on those two vehicles is superior to current owners.

Linas honestly you need to learn to give your opinion once and let it be rather than stating the same old Lexus sucks drivel on every thread you enter.

1 minute ago, serbarry said:

And it's exactly what I have been trying to say in my comments: you are happy with your car, so why is important if someone doesn't like it! I can't believe what I am reading. It reminds me of children arguing who has the best toy.

Some toys are better than others....

Linas thinks his is better than everyone else's all the time 🤣

2 minutes ago, serbarry said:

But seriously?? I am astonished! Why don't you ask the moderators to put in terms and conditions that only positive and flattering comments about Lexus models are allowed here?

What's so astonishing?

Opinions are fine but how many forums do you go on where an owner slags off every, single car in the whole line up? 

Most Lexus IS owners are annoyed it wasn't brought to the UK for example but literally all I have read for 3 years from Linas is nothing but ****.

Just now, Linas.P said:

Accuses somebody of acting like "butt hurt" baby... whilst being the only one who acts like butt hurt baby at the moment... 

I'm just saying it exactly how it is. 

3 minutes ago, serbarry said:

You have no arguments, no basis. You saying I am an uneducated child but you didn't even read what I wrote so you can't judge if I am blabbering. You just insult me and Lina's because he doesn't like your car and I like his comments. So who is the child? I let others to judge.

The basis of the argument is quite simple. Linas makes a lot of claims and doesn't / hasn't owned any of these cars, seems to have driven every car in existence whilst making "expert" reviews along with basically slagging off the whole Lexus lineup, yet still drives a Lexus. That's hippocrisy. 

Linas has been around here a long time. We all know he can't make a positive comment and writes a dissertation in most posts he as a way to try and justify himself to actual owners

3 hours ago, Linas.P said:

You are fool is you think I have posted one off MPG of the car which I drove for 10-20 miles. 

What basis does you criticism has? Isn't it hypocrisy to say that without providing any basis yourself? It is irrelevant that somebody owned the car, ownership is not a proof of knowledge, I know many people who owned car for 6 years and the only thing they can tell is that it was "red and some sort of korean car", but according to you they are experts? And so what that my comments are critical (should not be confused with negative) towards Lexus and so what that it has been for number of years. What exactly has changed since 2006 when Lexus decided not to introduce IS350 in UK (which is great car), what has change since 2016 when they did the same with RC350, nothing has changed all the way to this day?.. Have they made any significant change to their strategy which would be positive from my perspective? No they have not, so why would I suddenly be positive about something... they continue to sells same cars I continue to criticise them? What is so surprising here?

You just contradicted yourself twice in single sentence - "No one said you have to like the cars, No one said you have to even own the cars" YET "you really need to shut up and stop providing useless negative opinions of vehicles you haven't owned"... so which one is it, should I own the car and only speak positively about it, or I don't need to own or like the car and can say whatever I think about it?!

I can predict your answer here - "if Lexus strategy is so bad, and if you are so unsatisfied with the cars they are releasing then don't be on the LOC". Is that is what you want to say?! So the answer is the same as it has always been - it is not your business, not your problem and I will continue to be here as long as I want and I will be as critical as I want. Deal with it... 

And if you have come to conclusion that I am troll and keyboard warrior, then why you even arguing - isn't that in wain?! And if I come to terms that is who I am, what difference does it make - I will just continue trolling you. Get that ignore function set-up and take a rest. 

Finally, I still think it is kind of funny that you think you know something about me that even I don't know, you know what cars I have driven and for how long... you really a very gifted person... perhaps you need to buy a magic orb, a spooky tent and tell the people their future, such abilities should not go to waste!

You don't own an IS300h. I've owned one for over 6 years. I can categorically and confidently say that my experience and assessment of the vehicle is superior to yours. I can also confidently say Stevens assessment of his ES300h is better than yours. Your claims are naturally ridiculous and inaccurate as a result. 

My point is that you're acting like a butt hurt baby on every single post you make and it drags on and on and on. When I say you don't have to own them, I literally mean don't own them, don't drive them and ***** off. I love how you slag off basically every Lexus yet you don't buy the "superior" competition. You've had a long time to get yourself a BMW!

Let's not forget you spent about 3 years claiming how superior your IS250 was to then IS300h owners. 

Give your opinion, move on. Stop dragging it out like you're going to brainwash current owners into thinking their car is inferior to something else on the market in literally every thread that asks for any kind of opinion. Most prospective owners want opinions from current owners, not someone who doesn't even own the car yet tries to be the expert.

28 minutes ago, serbarry said:

So you assume that I am a stupid who likes Lina's comments because they have no basis or substance to them. According to you I am a superficial and dumb person who likes reading his comments which according to you have no basis. In every single comments Lina's wrote, he gave solid reasons and detailed information. Your reply is always irritated, upset, bothered because his comments are negative about the ES or Lexus in general. I haven't read a single reply with solid basis so my question is again the same: why do you care about his comments? As explained above if you think that your car is wonderful it doesn't mean that it is for everyone and I really find it childish to be upset because one person, and only one in this forum, doesn't congratulate you for your amazing car and instead criticizes it. Can't you really accept that one person doesn't like it? Ok so accept my congratulations and forget about Lina's: I still think that ES is wonderful and I am not joking: I find it very attractive from the exterior but the interior I can't tell you because I saw it only once in Paris in 2018 as said above. Anyway I remember that I was impressed and sent pictures to my friends saying that maybe when I will retire I could buy one. Each time I went to Lexus Cork I always had a look at the ES parked there because especially after Lina's comments, I always hoped to be able to see the interior and understand why Lina's comments are so negative. Unfortunately all ES were locked. So my only memories of the interior are back to 2018 when, I must remind you, my comparison was my Prius. And when back in 2004 I was lucky enough to have a brand new Prius as loan for a week from the local dealer in Italy, everyone of my friends was astonished by the interior of the Prius, the materials quality, the ultra comfortable seats and especially the touch MFD with the image of the battery charging and discharging and changing colour and the flows describing the HSD system. If I am not wrong at that time, the Prius was the first ever car on the market with a touch MFD and for sure with that colourful screen. Unfortunately all my friends told me that it had a wonderful interior design but it was ugly outside and that for that price they would have bought a Mini (which was very popular and trendy in 2004 in Italy). And you know what? I could not care less about my friends' opinions nor I was offended or bothered by their opinions. And I said to myself that if one day I would find an affordable second hand Prius I would have bought it (I could not afford brand new). And indeed I moved to Ireland in 2007 and in 2010, when my 1994 Civic coupé died, (so please pay attention: my comparison with the Prius was my 1994 Civic coupé), I found a 2004 Prius and my dream came true. In 12 wonderful years of ownership I have loved it every single day and still now I think it was my best car ever, even better than the GS which, in nearly 2 years of ownership, has already costed me 2,800 euros for servicing and repairs. Now I ask you: do you agree with me that my 2004 Prius was an amazing car with a wonderful interior? You don't? I am sorry but you are WRONG!!!! Because you have not owned a Prius for 12 years and therefore, you can't judge my Prius because as you said only the owners can judge their cars. The same as according to you Lina's can't judge the ES because he doesn't own it, but, if he had a positive opinion about the ES, it would not matter if he doesn't own one because you would be the happiest child in the world because one more person likes your toy.

PS this forum is just so boring when you can only congratulate each other for the cars you bought and insult someone who criticises them.

I'm not going to read the essay you've written.

Like an uneducated child trying to win an argument by blabbering on and on

6 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

You are always welcome to prove me wrong! That said it requires little bit than more than basic, common and easily debunkable fallacies to do that. You saying it has no basis or substance does not really prove anything, apart of that you disagree with me, you may as well disagree and be wrong. Or we can both disagree and both be right, because we have different values, needs etc. when it comes to car ownership. 

And why shouldn't I be critical of the vehicles Lexus puts out if they are no good? Again what is basis of your argument? Even if they are sales success that doesn't mean they are good cars, and even if they are good cars then it doesn't mean I have to like them. And who are you to tell me not to talk negatively about them? 

You're a fool if you think posting a one off MPG of a car you drove for 10-20 miles is useful information for a start. 

Your criticisms have no basis. You're trying to argue your points against people who have owned many of these cars and other cars. Most of your comments towards the Lexus lineup is negative and that has been going on for a number of years.

No one said you have to like the cars. No one said you have to even own the cars but I think you really need to shut up and stop providing useless negative opinions of vehicles you haven't owned or driven for less than a day. Linas, you're basically a key board warrior / troll - may as well just come to terms with it like most of us have done on this forum already.

15 hours ago, serbarry said:

I completely disagree with you as I do enjoy Lina's comments. As I said in the discussion about the LBX I really still don't understand why people here can't have different opinions without getting offended and inviting that person to leave the Loc because nobody wants to read his comments. Well I am interested in Lina's comments because enrich the forum and make topics interesting. What is the purpose of the Loc? Pleasing and congratulating each other for the wonderful cars we own? And after? In the discussion about the LBX another member disagreed with me when I said that I saw ladies struggling to park their SUV and that if they are unable to park them, they should not buy them. The other member said that this happens with any car and not only SUV. I disagree, we have different opinions, no problem. If Lina's said that my GS is rubbish I would ask him why and I would like to know why he thinks so. I would not be offended because it's only his opinion but I would be very curious to know the arguments which support his opinions. And if his arguments are solid and I understand what he means and therefore why he thinks that my car is rubbish, I would tell him that I still love my car because it's perfect for my needs, it's a huge improvement compared to my previous Prius and yes I understand your point, but for me it's not rubbish, it's actually amazing. When I had the Prius, nobody liked it, everyone told me that it was ugly, slow, without any pleasure of driving, etc. I never cared about their opinions nor I was offended because they were looking for something in a car that didn't matter to me. One told me that the Mini he owned was a much better looking car than my Prius: faster, more enjoyable to drive, with a better handling and trendy. I replied that without offence all this was rubbish for me: I didn't need a faster car, I didn't care (at that time) about joy to drive, I didn't care about better handling as most of the time on my itineraries the speed limit was 50 km/h and especially I didn't need people to admire my car because it was trendy and actually when everyone considered my Prius ugly, for me was nice, not beautiful but nice. And unlike the Mini, my Prius was extremely reliable and this is what matters to me above all the aspects. I asked him if he could travel from Cork to Dublin (270 Kms) in the Mini with 5 people, 2 huge suitcases, 5 trolleys (hand luggage) and 2 rucksacks in the boot, because I had already done it with the Prius. I asked him if he could carry a 2 seater sofa bed in the Mini because I had already done it with my Prius. I asked him if he could carry 6 bags of 40 litres each of compost for gardening in the boot of the Mini because I had already done it with my Prius. No? You can't do all these things? Well for me your Mini is useless! This is to say that everyone has different needs and priorities for a car and when Lina's says that your ES is a rebadged Toyota, you should not care, because for you it is wonderful and suits your needs. But the fact that you find your ES wonderful doesn't mean that it's wonderful for everyone. Lina's finds the ES a rebadged Toyota but why you care about his opinions? Is he your dear friend? Your relative? Someone whose opinion is important to you? You can't expect everyone to find the ES wonderful like you do and I don't think that you should ask Lina's to leave this forum for what he said about the ES. I give you another example: each time I talk to my wife about cars she tells me that I wasted my money buying such a useless and unpractical car like the GS: with a tiny boot that I can't fit anything and we always need her Hyundai when we drive to Dublin and fly; with an exaggerated huge engine that I won't need because in my itineraries the speed limit is mostly 50km/h; with a huge fuel consumption compared to the Prius and to her Hyundai; too long and wide that I can't find a parking space; too expensive to maintain for servicing and motor tax; too expensive to fix: I have spent 2,100 euros in the last 4 months for rear shock absorbers, exhaust system and AFS sensor and with the sensor I literally threw away money by going to the dealer. Well my wife is right in every single point raised: they are all objectively negative aspects of my GS. But I love my car. I love looking at it. I love driving it. And there was no other car I desired more when I was looking to replace the Prius. The following 4 nights after buying it I could not manage to sleep much because I was too excited 😊. And I am sorry that my wife doesn't like it because it's my wife and her opinion counts for me. It's not just someone in the Loc giving a bad opinion as Lina's did for your ES.

 

 

Maybe it's because Linas comments have no basis or substance to them.

Like above comments on mpg of a car that he doesn't own and maybe driven once..... 

Constant drivel about basically every Lexus vehicle that comes out....

Trying to justify his ridiculous comparisons and superficial expertise by writing a book on the forum. 

I'm sure Linas would make a brilliant salesman (or a farmer) with the sheer amount of manure that comes out of his mouth, and continues to do so.

42 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

Before I begin - I just wanted to say I do appreciated your formatted and structured response and that is nice, much better than "because you don't own it you suck" attitude. 

The question was specifically - "why Lexus ES did not catch on in UK", OP suggested that maybe pricing it lower has made the car look as inferior in public eye, I don't believe it is the price, but what is very clear is that we are talking about UK. What is happening in US, for the sake of this discussion may as well be another planet with different laws of physics. Different preferences, brand perception, pricing, fuel prices, roads... everything is different about US. The Lexus NX is considered small SUV there, over here it is considered "Large Luxury" SUV and we not even scratching surface here, the reasons why certain cars sells in US and does not sell here cannot be more different. Just a quick glance BMW 5-Series costs £47,000 in US and Lexus ES costs £33,000, that is 28% cheaper in well established market (and that is AWD model, although it is as well compared to 530i). So if we apply same logic in UK, then ES should start at ~£36,800, but that is kind of futile exercise because I don't believe it is the price that matters here.

• Is ES worse than 5-Series ONLY because it is FWD vs. RWD? No and I never said that. RWD in European luxury saloon market is what gives the car certain status, maybe it is cultural thing, maybe it is because Europeans expects their large saloons to "handle", yet the same is not necessary true in US... there are many reasons. I just state historic precedence of all luxury saloons being either RWD or AWD, and all brands that tried to get into that sector with FWD cars failing. But that is just one of many reasons... 
  • Yes US is established market for ES specifically where the model was offered since 1990. So yes ES there will have "easier ride" and it is enough just to do facelift/cosmetic update to stay competitive. UK/Europe is new market and it is much harder to enter, marketing has to be right etc. and this is where I think Lexus messed-up, positioned themselves wrong, marketed it wrong, against wrong competitors and expected to Europeans automatically accept it as equal. BMW spent 40+ years developing this segment, obviously any new brands will struggle. Lexus even failed with GS which was in all ways superior product to ES, how the ES suppose to achieve anything?! 
  • Now if you have done the research then this would have prevented this embarrassing moment... You see - yes ES in US has AWD. And even myself I would not mind ~10 years old ES 350 AWD. Although current 350 seems to be only FWD and one has get 250 for AWD... little bit weird decision considering AWD would be more beneficial for 350... but that is Lexus for ya!
  • So you right - laws of physics works the same there, except ES offers both FWD and AWD in US and that makes a different.  Besides they didn't even offered hybrid at all until 2017, so majority of ES sales in US are driven by ES350/250, even to this day. 
  • When you say Lexus ES sells "many units" you wrongly assume it is same ES300h as in UK that does... NO! It is model as a whole and ES300h sales are quite weak worldwide. 
• Is BMW priced like-for-like is more Luxurious than Lexus ES... No and I have not said that either - I would argue that 5-Series is more Luxurious than ES... period. They are not in the same segment at all and that is what Lexus failed to understand - just making car of the same size and putting "luxury" badge on it doesn't make it equal to 5-Series... it is more subtle. 
  • First of all, you can't price them like for like because BMW is much more expensive, but it is as well fundamentally more Luxurious, and I mean it literally down to the platform it is built on and design choices that badge change cannot achieve. So the comparison here is really - is BMW 5-Series more luxurious than Toyota Avalon... answer to which is - obviously it is more luxurious. Toyota Avalon is more mass market economy saloon, BMW is luxury saloon, you paying premium to get BMW, but Toyota is probably better value... so ES is better value, but it is not competitor to 5-Series, it is different class car in different market niche. Simply said - you get lower class car for less money. And yes sorry... I am basically saying ES just cheapens Lexus brand... For Toyota that is fine - they can market Avalon/Camry as competitor to Mazda 6 or to VW Arteon without cheapening themselves. Lexus does cheapen itself when they go after BMW, get's bounced and has to admit they really sitting at "losers" table with Mazda and VW after failing to challenge "the boss".  The way to establish yourself in this very competitive and traditional market brand has to offer "better for more", not "less for cheaper", such proposal does not attract buyers looking for Luxury, it works in economy cars market, but not in Luxury cars market. And am sure this is where OP was coming from - "perhaps if ES would be priced higher it would be better"... yes, but ONLY if they actually offer substantially more and better and Toyota Avalon does not offer neither more, nor better, not even with Lexus badge and 10 extra kg of sound deadening on it.
  • And I know it all sounds really "anti-Lexus", but it is not. Problem is that people arguing this case wrong and make wrong comparisons. ES represents nicer and more luxurious Toyota Avalon, not a competitor for 5-Series... So it makes sense in US for somebody who says "I kind of want Toyota Avalon, sort of reliable mile muncher, without much sportiness, but large enough to sit 4 people comfortably, but I am kind off more upper class, so I want it to be little nicer, little bit more premium... ohh I know I will get Lexus ES then". So ES does not exist as it's own product, it is more of a top trim option for Toyota Avalon/Camry and it is only possible in US, because Toyota has such a large market there. When they sell million Avalon/Camry, then it is not a stretch so sell 40,000 in a top trim level known as Lexus ES. But as stand alone model in UK the ES doesn't really makes sense... unless it is very cheap to the point it is no brainer, but it isn't. And if it would be, then again it would compete with cheaper cars at lower segment and not BMW 5-Series.
  • Basically, you (and some other ES owners) are making case for following argument - "why buy 5-Series if Ford Mondeo would do?!". And this is decades old argument and there were times when few dozen models have tried to make this case. This is not choice between two competitors in luxury saloon segment, it is choice between paying extra for luxury saloon or saving money and getting economy saloon. And this is fine argument, I have no issue with it, just don't fool yourself that you got BMW competitor because it has Lexus badge on it.
• "Lexus used to be good now bad, so that is why it is worse than BMW" - I don't think I am saying that, this would be wrong attribution. I said they used to make cars I like, and they still making them, but they are not selling them in UK. As well there is whole different discussion about rebadging and that is definitely getting worse - ES, CT, UX and to top it all off LBX is not great trend, but Lexus still makes some good cars just does not sell them here. I guess in very narrow sense it could be argued that specifically in ES case it is true, but just because it replaced GS, which was superior design, but I am not even making that argument right now. I consider that this was marketing mistake to call it GS replacement, rather than bad engineering decision. 
  • Cannot comment on your specific experience... I know BMW had introduced electric steering at some point and that may have something to do with it, but still I would take RWD BMW any day over anything FWD. Steering feel is just one of many things that matters in handling.
  • Same thing here, steering feel is just tiny part of what makes car handle, Mazda 6 still going understeer on the limit, besides sounds like reinventing the wheel. We all know what works, we all know that RWD provides certain preferable handling characteristics, so why overcomplicate it by trying to overengineer wrong wheel drive to feel a little bit like RWD? Just put the shaft going to rear wheel - sorted!
  • Confident steering is not the same as good handling... As well confident steering at what? 30MPH in traffic? And I mean - that is fine, not everyone will be trashing their large saloons on the twisty roads, but some might. So you basically arbitrarily lowering threshold based on your personal needs - but there are people who want more from their cars. Perhaps that is why German cars still have appeal for some buyers?
  • Yes indeed - but it is kind of different thing. BMW does not sell rebadge Hyundai, sure they don't make new BMW as they used to make them, now there are plastic parts inside of engine that fail after 60-80k miles. And that is bad, but they making cheaper BMWs, not badging cheaper cars as BMWs. So to have like for like comparison - IS mk3 was noticeably cheaper built than previous IS mk2, this is sort of thing we are talking about, but IS mk3 was not suddenly Toyota Avensis badged as Lexus, it was still a Lexus. Lexus GS was a Lexus, it's replacement is Toyota. That is different.

Finally, we end-up with some century old grievances which has no relevance and conspiracy theories... This is not battle for Britain (and if it would then ze-Germans would have won it)! Let's just face it - British car industry is non-existent, British own doing! Now every car company (many of whom were pioneers in many ways and historically significant) are now owned by anyone, but not British... and it is kind of sad. But does that make BMW 5-Series worse car, or motoring press inherently dishonest?! No - I don't think so. For me it seems the German makers just understands the market better, offers more competitive and more appealing products, sets and maintains trends (for decades) and therefore achieves better sales results in certain segments. Sport and Luxury saloons/coupes is one of those segments where they dominate. Lexus and many other makers tried times and times again to get into these segments, failed and moved on... Lexus moved onto SUVs where they are doing much more favourably... but it is not Germans fault that Lexus can't offer competitive and appealing saloon... it is Lexus own fault.

Linas...

When are you going to learn that no one wants to read through pages of your drivel and couldn't care less what you think.

You're the only person who comes on this forum to write essays on slagging off Lexus vehicles and making comparisons without actually owning or driving them.

Your opinions are of your own, and my opinions are my own, hence why I am making it clear that your opinions are rubbish, absolute hogwash and a load of complete and utter nonsense the majority of the time with no real basis to them apart from copy and pasting car reviews.

I think it's genuinely time you give up this forum and go find yourself a BMW, join the BMW forums, at which point you may take comfort in the fact the people on there might be more interested in the appendage measuring contest you seem to engage in.

Which dealership did you book in with?

Lexus Leeds are pretty good overall I think although not a patch on Lexus Bradford who used to be much better IMO

36 minutes ago, ColinBarber said:

Yes, that's correct. The 6 speaker system also doesn't have a centre dashboard speaker which the other 2 have.

You cannot always see the ML writing below the headunit in adverts, so another thing to look out for is small speakers on the rear doors next to the door release level - only ML systems have these:
 

The ML also has ceramic knobs which are white for the volume and radio tuning. I think all the others come with the dark grey knobs

Viofo is good. As are some apeman and aukey ones. Not had any issues with these really

I get between 2.8 and 3.4 dependent on how long I'm driving for / speed. I don't keep anything like AC off etc. 

As for the tyres I'd expect around 16-17k max. It's a 2 tonne car and my RX goes through them at this rate so nothing unusual 

1 hour ago, imgo said:

I used to do that myself in the 80's when I had a mini !

I will call my Lexus dealer and see if they can sort it.

I mean if you don't want to go to the dealer, say it's 1 hour away you can still do it. Won't be difficult at all 

That's not normal but easy to fix. Normally the wiper should be parallel to the a pillar usually about an inch away.

Just needs the wiper arm removing from the splines and adjusting. 

I suspect its not an RX thing, or a Lexus thing.

Out of interest, Ive just put the details of my Mercedes C200 in for a quote despite it not being due until February next year.

its £200 more now if I insured it in 21 days time compared to what I paid. 

You'd be charged over 32k but that would only be after you've hit 32k 

As in end of the agreement. 

You dont normally get charged for excess miles mid term. 

If you purchase the car it normally wont cost you anything.

5 hours ago, Sybaris said:

£3K  ????? Wow

Yep with paint and labour it was like £3k rear bumper and plastic surrounds

Well atleast it's idiot proof 

I doubt it's easy to pull off the actual handle. It'll be fixed quite well I think 

On 8/1/2023 at 4:53 PM, KW Lexus said:

Thanks suggestion.  I understand your point but I am not good at soldering.  Unplug the OBD adapter when services is fine. 

No soldering involved. 

Plenty of YouTube videos on it. 

13 minutes ago, is200 Newbie said:

Would like to come back to Lexus - had 10 years ownership of IS's and sold last 250 a few years ago. I have been looking and just happened to check through FB Marketplace (wouldn't normally look through that) but there are a few NX / UX models ranging between 2018 to 2019 at really cheap prices under £9000 with relatively low mileages so its got me thinking too good to be true. But thinking on the other have are people getting rid of these types of cars now for smaller ones .... all large engines, 2.5, V6 etc so not sure if people are getting rid of these for smaller engined cars but suspect they are scams?

All are scams

Anything thats under the market value considerably usually is

FB marketplace is full of it, there are some genuine cars on there but they got lost in the sea of scams