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According to @noby76 there is no difference what you are driving, it is only about being patient enough.

Says who? any sources, evidence? Personal opinion? I agree public transport currently does not work, because the goal of current public transport is to be "for profit business", not to provide public service for public. M25 doesn't need more lane, 3-4 lanes are as efficient as it gets, however efficiency of the road can be improved, more efficient slip roads, less bottlenecks (from 4 lanes into 3 lanes), improved free Dartford crossing at full speed, increased speeds 90MPH+, better lane management (ban for heavy transport to use 3-4th lane), better driver education, lane discipline. Making roads wider is not necessary improvement or needed. @JonP - yes but hybrid is not EV, hybrids doesn't not require any additional infrastructure etc. so that is bit different.

General discussions would do for me. I know the people who honestly prefer public transport over personal one, literally quoting the line from one guy in close family - "why do you need cars, when there is public transport... why do I need to 'labour' behind the wheel when I can buy a ticket and sit by a window?!". And again that is fine by me - more people like that as far as I am concerned, but that doesn't mean it is somehow "correct" way and therefore now everyone should be squeezed together like vegetables touching each other's ***** and patiently inhaling all the farts. I am not sure if the video was directed at me... I have nothing against people using public transport, everyone have their choice... and this is quite key! You cannot simply force people to use public transport, or cycle or do whatever. Well... I guess you can if your name is Joseph or surname is Stalin, or Mao the Chairman... and you currently are running Communist country where no personalities, personolisations, personal space, personal transport or letters in sequence p e r s o n a l are allowed, but that is yet another thread.

....assuming people want to use public transport.. Last time I checked actual travel modes used in UK - personal vehicles were first and more journeys were made by car then putting all other categories together.. Never mind we have extreme anti-car culture, extreme anti-car policies, extreme anti-car taxes... they are still preferred by most (62% of trips and 78% of passenger miles). Next one not suprisigly is walking.. because frankly public transport is so disgusting that I would rather walk as well.. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/661933/tsgb-2017-report-summaries.pdf Now assuming we are living in democratic country (which is definitely not the case) that would mean, goverment has to accommodate what majority wants... and that is driving. It can still be done, we just need to find the ways to reduce negative impacts, by improving infrastructure.

I think wrong thread... we not discussing 0-60 here 😄 why so uneven playing field? FWD, RWD or AWD <5s... RWD for fun always, AWD for grip potentially... if you start mixing 0-60 + different driving wheels + electric power you will eventually going to find out that "FWD pushes from the rear"... I don't whist that to anyone...

Same in London... School holidays, my drive to work takes 22min, school days drive takes 45-90min. The stretch of A13 westbound usually takes the same +/- few minutes unless there is accident, but majority of traffic is local traffic.. And I understand rural kids "bussing"(assuming there is any benefit attending it... I doubt), but in London most kids live locally ~5-15min walk from school! So basically I can normally get from home to A13 ~4.5miles in 10min during holidays and the same 4.5miles takes 33-78min during school days. Second thing are HGVs in the city centre.. and I don't mean smaller ones from Tesco... long massive HGVs with concrete mixes, 40 meter long metal beams etc. Surely, deliveries to the construction sites can be arranged outside of peak times aka "2012 Olympics style" (going back to my point of 16-24h economy). Next annoying thing.. every time somebody gets the scratch or loses the mirror on the road, they will close all roads in vicinity for entire day! I Understand priority is to help injured (sometimes nobody are injured, but let's assume somebody is), quick investigation, clean-up the mess and then reopen the road. That last step is clearly missing in diary and even if not it takes far too long to solve. To be honest they don't even need to close the road in the first place, they can simply close one lane.. everywhere in Europe they only close the lanes which are directly blocked, not entire road and all surrounding roads. In short, we would do much better by simply using existing roads better, spreading peak times and avoiding unnecessary interference.. talking of which.. speed bumps, narrow gates... what is all that about?!

Certainly german cars are mostly not as reliable as most Japanese cars, still probably second best in terms of built quality and reliability... Ford or SEAT would not be that much more reliable. However, they still have plenty of exceptional qualities e.g. BMW has always been and will always stay "ultimate drivers car" for handling, with most direct and "communicative" steering... don't even need to get M4 for it... Yes ride is harsh mostly, especially on now common run-flat wooden tyres, but handling is still the best. I would never discount car simply for negative public opinion. I did list Volvo as second on my "interesting" cars list, but realistically it would be in lower place when making actual purchase, that is because I am not a fan of FWD transverse layout Volvo seems to favour. They mask it quite well with S90 T8 and their tiny 4 pot engine looks very interesting on the paper - really hard not to consider, but realistically I would not get FWD car.

That is cultural change I am battling with in workplace. It is mandatory to work 1 day from home in my company, but I am struggle to stretch any more then that. Some people even get upset when I get my one day WFH. Realistically, in my work I can do 4 days from home and maybe 1 day in the office just to socialise - but that is not socially accepted norm. Equally, if I would work 4 days from home, all the auxiliary positions in cafes, bars, restaurants etc. would be created near my home locally instead of being created in the city center - so by me no travelling to work, 4 less people would have to get up every morning and get to work in central London. Next thing is 24/7 economy.. that would make both economic and environmental sense. Currently we have 2 peaks during the day and we have to build road capacity to meet those peak times, if we would have proper 24h economy, even 16h we would need to build much less peak capacity into the infrastructure. Good start would be to force all companies with 100+ employees (or offices with 100+ desks) to differentiate hours say instead of 9-5, they should make +/-1 shifts for 8-4, 9-5-10-6 and all companies with 1000+ .. +/-2 shifts starting 7,8,9,10,11AM.... maybe even further companies with 10000+ which is rare +/-3 shifts. So instead of massive jam between 8-9 and 5-6, we would have consistent lower traffic starting from 7AM and ending 8PM. Combine that with, 50% WFH and commute can be reduced massively.

@CallTheBall - environmental cost, not economical -economically is beneficial to manufacture new cars, but environmentally it is very costly. And overly draconian insurance categories - how many perfectly good cars gets written-off for minor non-structural damages. My car nearly got written off few weeks ago for a scratch! We need to be more considerate before throwing things away. As for why they don't do it - yes that is economical benefit. You can make more money by selling whole new car... it is not in manufacturers interest to keep those cars running forever.

That is assumption not a fact. Theoretically - yes you are correct, in practice the emission controls on large polluters are lax, they receive fines which are known as "cost of doing business", because it is cheaper to pay fine once in a while then continuously maintain emissions control. Nothing is 0 carbon emission, not even ZEV... so.. no you wrong ZEVs still have impact on global warming. However, this is discussion is trivial - if we going to stop driving our 1 billion ICE cars worldwide we going reduce emission by ~1-2% that is all. Not the same story about manufacturing, where emissions are ~50%, making new ZEV would be included into that pollution. So effectively replacing ICE with ZEV we actually going to pollute MORE! What we actually need to do is to reduce consumption, once the car is made we need to try to keep it going as long as possible (and that includes all other goods, especially disposable or semi-disposable ones). Car driving is not a global issue (global warming is), car driving is only an issue in city centers.. BTW... I guess this is not part of the discussion anyway, so sorry for making off-topic. Whereas I don't think we going to convert majority of the fleet for over 20 years, I don't mind having PHEV or EV as long as other parts of the car meets my needs... 0-60, RWD, well build, luxury (Tesla so far is the best, but it is neither well built, nor really luxury in my definition). So I am looking at owning PHEV right now and EV maybe in 5-10 years time.

I still don't understand ... specifically from global warming perspective... What is the difference where pollution is generated? I understand that is more important in the city, but equally city is not protected from global environment changes. For me it is sort of attitude - "if I don't see it it doesn't hurt".

BMW, Volvo, MB, Porsche, Jaguar, Aston Martin... in this order.

Or if you drive like a tool as well...

You didn't give me an option!!!! bloody hell! I said 2043+ I think the thread is more suitable for General Discussion forum thought @Bluesman

@Hadrian - it is not little of topic... it is completely different topic and massive can of worms! Tailgating germans are just cliche, but I am sure all kinds of retards drives all makes of cars. What you said "they" are apparently thinking, can be turned around - "ohhh they have bigger and more expensive car!!... doesn't mean I have to give the a way" ... hence some won't move over and continue hog the lane? Doesn't matter what speed they are doing - you have to move over unless you overtaking. oh did have I said - it has nothing to do with 0-60 times...

And what did you except? This was controversial question and it was clear it would explode at some point - "0-60 never bothered me in my life, but I drive IS-F.... cause I liked the looks".. and the all "safe snailing warriors" .

I guess we both quoting the sources which backs-up our narrative in two extreme ends. I still tend to think you underestimate the work needed to build-up the infrastructure. Secondly, in my opinion demand will be infrastructure driven, not wise versa i.e. people like me living in flats won't have infrastructure because building management companies never gives... when it comes time to actually managing something. People in terraced houses without drives equally won't take-up. As such demand continue to be niche for rich with detached houses and off-street parking. Plug-in hybrids might be a trend for few years, but they still need some dinosaur juice.

I cannot agree... "infrastructure isn’t hard to install" - Is that well researched opinion or guess? We have nowhere near capacity and last time I was bothered to check they said we would need 6 more "Hinkley Points C's" to generate enough electricity just for electric cars alone, assuming other demands won't go-up. But generating the power is just first step, then entire network have to be completely overhauled "ground-up" as current networks have no such capacity, nor logistics, all on street cabling has to change and all house installations has to change, that is especially true and problematic in larger estates. I battled with my building management company to get "slow" charging point and that went nowhere, "fast" charging is out of question altogether as electrical installation in building build in 2016 is not sufficient for such heavy duty use... I mean for a single Tesla, never-mind 30 (that is capacity of the parking lot). Second thing, by 2040 - they will stop selling new ICE cars in UK, I am sure there will be massive pre-reg exercise and there will be some final stock in dealerships for 2-3 years after the deadline. From there on, it will take 10 years to reduce ICE auto park by 50% and another 10 year to reduce another 30% and probably even in 2070 we still going to have ~5-10% of ICE cars running. Even if they stop selling petrol/diesel by 2050... most of diesel cars can run/are easily convertible to run on oil and petrol cars on ethanol. @Spacewagon52 - agreed. There is difference between "classic" and "appreciating classic" - one is guaranteed, other is dependent on many circumstances and varies greatly.

Yes in ideal world... sadly it is not ideal. The gap could be there when you start overtaking, or you might misjudge the gap or it might close. I been in salutations where other drivers deliberately close the gap, so that you cannot get in.. how many times you been in situation where you start overtaking and other drivers starts deliberately accelerating to block you from getting back? Many things can happen between the time you judge situation to be safe gap to overtake and 2 seconds later when you already in other side of road. I guess... I would quote @Big Rat here - you need to have enough power to get you out of trouble... I would add "both the one you have created yourself or which came out of blue". Going back to IS250 example - it has enough power to overtake - "just", it doesn't have enough power to get you out of trouble so I need to be overtly careful with the opportunities I take. @noby76 - suitable "gap" as of "gap to get back into", I am not even discussing - obviously it needs to be there. Suitable "gap" as a time you have to overtake will depend on your car. I am not sure if you really have difficulty understanding or you don't really want to?! Or is it because - "when your FWD car pushes from the rear - you don't need to worry about gaps at all"?

The other option is obviously to stop for a pint in a pub.. as somebody suggested. @dutchie01 Irresponsible is to stick behind other car if you not overtaking and make long unbreakable queue which nobody but bravest/stupidest would even try to overtake. Overtaking 3 is sketchy enough and I scare s*** of me self very time, on European roads with miles of visibility and clean road-sides it is possible to overtake more, but you obviously praying god no blind ******* going to start overtaking as well without checking mirrors. I can give another example - overtaking 2 trucks (equivalent of 8-10 cars)... you come behind the truck, there is opportunity to overtake ... you start it and mid-way first truck you realise there is no gap between them. Mostly truckers are smart enough to leave that gap, but not all people are smart (sorry for breaking unfortunate news for you)... So what do you do.. brake and abandon, try to squeeze between 2 trucks? or finish overtaking? In IS250 finish overtaking is not an option, so I have to resort with first 2... especially on European roads where overtaking with British car is already not ideal... @noby76 - yes big deal, because your gap might not come-up for 150 miles.. so you can drive hoping car in front turns-off before that? And lets not talk about 10000hp cars.. makes no sense. In IS250 lets say I will have 5 opportunities in 100 miles, in RC-F 20 opportunities in 100 miles and in RC300h maybe 3 opportunities, out of them maybe 2 will be safe in IS250, 15 safe in RC-F and none safe in RC300h.

Do you think I am blind?! Yes obviously, if there is no gap - THERE IS NO GAP! Means not overtaking! Still there could be many gaps and you could not take them, because your car is too slow to take them! @Flytvr - yes that is always an issue when overtaking queue of cars, the fact that they will be at fault doesn't help either! But that is not your power putting you at risk - it is blind and ignorant people who don't check their mirrors.

Agree on this, but for the rest.. it really depends on the road. Take for example same A127 - I am sure in 80s' there was one car passing every minute, now it is more like every second. So in 80s' you would have waited for car to pass and would pull-in pretty casually straight away, because there would be no other car for another minute. Other thing.. on average speeds has increased. Statistically average speed on free-flowing motorway is 82MPH now, that is considering 70MPH legal limit... and yes you are right limits are more strictly enforced now, however even "slow" driver is doing 70MPH nowadays, whereas before most drivers would have been doing 55MPH-60MPH and few fast ones maybe 110MPH. So statistically in 80's average speed was 67MPH and spread was 55-110(maybe), now average speed is 82MPH and spread is 70-90MPH.

@noby76 It is still the same thing just the other way around. Nobody is suggesting here to make a dangerous overtake, what we are talking about - "if there is suitable opportunity" to overtake, which are scarce and never perfect in UK (again because of overgrown roads with continuous blind bends). With reasonable fast car you can overtake and get back to your lane, with slow car you will not fit in gap and either oncoming car, or the car you overtaking or both will have to slowdown to "accommodate" you, or it will be head on crash, or you will be driving behind slow car forever if you very patient. In short - you will have less suitable opportunities with slow car.. Overtaking math is very simple - you have 10s gap, can you go 30-70-30 in that 10s or not?! That is all it is... If you have faster car then you have added safety, that if you misjudge the gap you can still make it in 8s, whereas with slow car you will be ditching it mid-way... You will get more opportunities with faster car, because you will need less time to do it safely, if there is no gap.. then obviously you will not be able to do it with any car. Same goes for "slotting back in" - with slow car you might only be able to overtake 2 out of 4 cars before your time runs out, with faster car you will be able to overtake all 4 cars or more at once. Obviously, the problem is that slower drivers often drive close to the car they are unable to overtake and ten makes it impossible for faster drivers to do it either... that is very annoying - you either overtake or back-off! That is the issue I have with IS250 - I am confident enough take opportunities to overtake 1,2 maybe 3 cars, but it is nowhere fast enough to overtake like 7, certainly there are no such road in UK with log enough visibility to do it safely.

Could be... in which case we will still see it being on sale for another 18 months.. Until RC-Fs going to reach £25k and it will be traded to other dealership and still sold at £24k

With IS220d.. that would not be an issue at all.. and not because it is more fuel efficient, but because it would have blown head gasket and would be stripped for parts on driveway... to support all those IS-F out there. Only 200 remains so we should treasure them! More seriously, it doesn't matter how efficient is your car, eventually you will be in same situation... if not leaving that garage, then it would be another one 100miles further..